Poll: Reach in fouls rate

[IYoDa]

Thankyou, I will try these when the missus lets me play.
Better than just calling me a noob or a crybaby etc as most here easily pass out.
That just rows me up as you all would of seen.

[VDusen04]

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As an offline gamer playing 9 minutes quarters against the CPU (All Star difficulty), I am quite convinced the reach in fouls are too touchy at this point. It used to be, if I pressed the steal button and it actually yielded a turnover, I'd feel lucky and relieved. Now, if I press the steal button and merely get away with not being called for a foul I feel that same luckiness and relief. Pressing the steal button when a player is carelessly dribbling the ball right in front of me doesn't even seem like a realistic option anymore.

In my most recent contest, I was able to force 1 turnover in 3.5 quarters against the Jazz. I do not recall how that turnover occurred. In the 4th quarter, I earned my second turnover by having the CPU inbound a pass into my defender's chest. Later, Randy Foye stumbled on a drive and a scrum for the loose ball ended up with my squad taking possession. Then that was it. 3 turnovers for an entire contest.

I played the majority of the game on-ball. I played sharp defense, I initiated double teams when it made sense, I used the "tight" D button, and basically felt I was doing an admirable job on the defensive end (though obviously not perfect). That said, the computer did not make mistakes. I'd try deflecting passes and getting into passing lanes but no dice. I also tried to double down on big men as a means of upping my steal chances by having a thrifty guard confronting a hapless handling big, but nothing happened.

Before, it seemed I could try to steal but if I wasn't in perfect position or if the ballhandler was taking care of the rock, nothing crazy would happen and play would move on. Then, when my calculated risk would pay off, I'd feel good it and a turnover would occur. Now, attempting to steal doesn't even seem like a calculated risk. It just feels stupid.

A good portion of my games post-patch have felt a little monotonous, where on defense I just find myself standing between my man and the basket, until I decide to contest a shot, at which point I hope we clear the rebound. Charges still don't seem to be a terribly realistic option, steals do not seem like a smart choice, I'm struggling to yield blocked shots (though I think that's more on me) and the CPU doesn't seem too pumped about the idea of making a bad pass or two as a result of being locked down on D.

As such, by default, for me as a mid-level human player facing off against all-star level CPU, I think reaching fouls need to be toned down.

[sreckless]

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As such, by default, for me as a mid-level human player facing off against all-star level CPU, I think reaching fouls need to be toned down.

Nice write-up.

Obviously the majority of posters in favor of the change are happy that the patch has reduced reach-in strip attempts.

I'm not opposed to having fewer reach-in strip attempts, but there are a couple legitimate gameplay uses of the steal button that are not reach-in strip attempts, that have been negated by the extremely high reach-in foul frequency in this patch.

• When a player is trying to turbo dribble through a crowd of defenders, I would usually tap the steal button if I happened to be controlling a player near that dribbler's ball hand. That tactic is effectively too risky now -- you have to let the ball handler go.

• Attempting to deflect or steal long inbound or outlet passes. The steal button was formerly the best way to contest these passes. Now if your timing is late, you're at risk of committing a reach-in foul on the pass receiver.

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The other point I'd like to make is that many of the folks who had problems overcoming "excessive" reach-in attempts are going to be complaining about how double teams are excessive and overpowered by the end of next week. I promise to link back to this post when I see the first thread.

The patch bumped up the effectiveness of double teams and quick match players who find they cannot use the steal button to disrupt an offense are soon going to turn to the double team to accomplish that same goal.

[JasonWilliams55]

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Nice write-up.

Obviously the majority of posters in favor of the change are happy that the patch has reduced reach-in strip attempts.

I'm not opposed to having fewer reach-in strip attempts, but there are a couple legitimate gameplay uses of the steal button that are not reach-in strip attempts, that have been negated by the extremely high reach-in foul frequency in this patch.

• When a player is trying to turbo dribble through a crowd of defenders, I would usually tap the steal button if I happened to be controlling a player near that dribbler's ball hand. That tactic is effectively too risky now -- you have to let the ball handler go.

• Attempting to deflect or steal long inbound or outlet passes. The steal button was formerly the best way to contest these passes. Now if your timing is late, you're at risk of committing a reach-in foul on the pass receiver.

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The other point I'd like to make is that many of the folks who had problems overcoming "excessive" reach-in attempts are going to be complaining about how double teams are excessive and overpowered by the end of next week. I promise to link back to this post when I see the first thread.

The patch bumped up the effectiveness of double teams and quick match players who find they cannot use the steal button to disrupt an offense are soon going to turn to the double team to accomplish that same goal.

Good post.

1st bold, yes that is much harder now, has cost me a many fouls, still trying to break that habit.

2nd/3rd bold, so true.

[Vic23]

Re: Poll: Reach in fouls rate

like i said numbers never lie... 60% to 40%. stop reaching and move your feet young bloods...

[nova91]

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like i said numbers never lie... 60% to 40%. stop reaching and move your feet young bloods...

189 out of 4 MILLION+ users is a real landslide, get outta here "youngblood".

[IYoDa]

like i said numbers never lie... 60% to 40%. stop reaching and move your feet young bloods...

That's fine for someone who probably never steals.
Numbers do lie btw.
60% whiners about spam
40% people who play d to the best of their abilities who now find it extremely hard to play.

[Vic23]

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That's fine for someone who probably never steals.
Numbers do lie btw.
60% whiners about spam
40% people who play d to the best of their abilities who now find it extremely hard to play.

you mean

60% whiners about spam
40% steal spam abusers. you guys probably broke your x button of couple times huh

[IYoDa]

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you mean

60% whiners about spam
40% steal spam abusers. you guys probably broke your x button of couple times huh

nope, spammers and defense players are DIFFERENT.
i know what a spammer is, someone who non stop chases you and spams steal all the way up the court.
most of them people are newbies.
most people on HERE would NEVER act like that.
instead of whining about spam learn to protect the ball.
coz next week youll be whining about double teams.

[IYoDa]

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I mostly get steals, with or without a ss ...

- while a big is driving and tries to finish a fastbrake, I press steal and he loses the ball, depending on the moment, it goes outside or I get the ball (be it cpu or hum)
- while oponent in post up position, if he intends to drive I press right stick towards him and the place he wants to go, cause contact and get the ball (be it cpu or hum)
- when opponent tries to pass the ball out of double team, press right stick away/right or left (depending on who/where is the pass intended) from opponent and intercept the ball (be it cpu or hum)
- whenever the ball is bobbled, I first move the right stick to the player (hum)

... Now, this do not means that is a certaint steal every time or that I dont get some reach in fouls called, but they usually are 1 or 2 at most, per game ... angles and animations are important, as well as anticipation, but specially "contact" ... in sum, is just an adjustment phase that requires patience and observation ... I compared to the one faced when quickly presses the pass button trying to make the player pass the ball quicker (old videogame habbit) but instead the player does a pass fake.



he is as skilled as 2k hardcore players are, unlike me, so I would try and get the most of what he says ... :wink:

ok, tried it now.
got the timing right on on-ball intense defense and got 1 steal from it out of 8 tries.
4 of the tries were DEFINATELY badly timed.
the time it worked was on a bigman, holding the ball without dribble for like 6secs.
knocked it from his hand and chased it for a dunk.

tried the right stick but cant do it/dunno how to do it/dunno what im doing wrong/dunno what im doin right.

tried my double teaming, side on, knocked ball lose, pressed steal on the scramble, picks it up and lobs it 3/4 court. lost 3 mins playing time for that.

tried double team with right stick up, got 1 steal from a bad pass.

all other double teams ended in a ball up.

will post a video in the next couple of days when i get time to edit the full match into the steal attempts, and ill show all steal attempts in the vid.
hopefully you see that thread and shed some more light on what im doing right/wrong.

[Goffs]

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The only time I press the steal button multiple times is when the big man is in the post....in past 2k you had to do a post up move quickly when help came along because it was an automatic steal...I wish they would bring that back....

[ffaacc03]

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ok, tried it now.
got the timing right on on-ball intense defense and got 1 steal from it out of 8 tries.
4 of the tries were DEFINATELY badly timed.
the time it worked was on a bigman, holding the ball without dribble for like 6secs.
knocked it from his hand and chased it for a dunk.

tried the right stick but cant do it/dunno how to do it/dunno what im doing wrong/dunno what im doin right.

tried my double teaming, side on, knocked ball lose, pressed steal on the scramble, picks it up and lobs it 3/4 court. lost 3 mins playing time for that.

tried double team with right stick up, got 1 steal from a bad pass.

all other double teams ended in a ball up.

will post a video in the next couple of days when i get time to edit the full match into the steal attempts, and ill show all steal attempts in the vid.
hopefully you see that thread and shed some more light on what im doing right/wrong.

3 steals in your 1st try ... and believe me, once you get the feel of the right stick you will get a couple more ... and remember, this is all from the user, not considering the AI steals (interceptions) ... I usually play with bad D teams offline, to try and push my self into making my d better ... and those teams end up with around half a dozen ... then again, I dont have a stealing mentality and seldomly try to steal the ball ...

Another level of added strategy has been brought with the high reach in foul calls, and is the possibility to prevent easy baskets on a tight game that has yet to reach the bonus penalty ... love it ... thus once I am about to get there, I stop doing it to prevent other types of easy baskets, FTs.

[esinrada]

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Funny that I get called for fouls because the CPU a reaches all the time. So I'd I don't switch to the dummy quick enough he'll probably reach. I swear 2k I just don't get you guys. So busy worried about my player mode the gameplay really sucks.

[franzis]

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reach-in fouls are fine
but you should lower success rate of passes inside the paint, and I really mean inside (i.e. from the C to the PF) and not into the paint
it's the new cheese after 3pt shooting patch

[Sundown]

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60% people who play d to the best of their abilities who now find it extremely rewarding to play.
40% whiners about spam.

Fixed it for you.

For what it's worth, I got another 2 easy on-ball steals with Curry offline today with minimal foul trouble (2 in a 48 minute game that went OT). In the interest of full disclosure, CPU did have ball handling of 35 in my latest sliders.

Harrison Barnes somehow ended up with 4-- I think mostly AI initiated and not through swiping.