Coward Zone users have single handedly ruined 1vs1 mode

[DWades House]

Re: Coward Zone users have single handedly ruined 1vs1 mode

See this is an actual real life situation. Also, this is a Realistic situation when zone can/should be used. Remember 2 years ago where Zone neutralized the slashing ability of the Heat? That's why they didn't when vs the Mavs.

Though, it's not possible that you can't defend with man. But zone can be used vs Slashers not an everytime, 100% during the game, what cheesers do. Zone is for vs Slashers like a LeBron, Westbrook, wade, etc. But man 2 man is for everyone else.

Man to Man = vs Shooters, Post Men, Everything basically;

Zone = vs Slashers, real Slashers, not people driving the paint with a random person;

Summed up well. Against 25/30 teams in this game all you really need is the tools provided to you in the matchup settings.

All I know is that it is hilarious when a paint cheeser messages me after a game and tells me i ruined their fun just because I ran zone. HELLO !!!

[d11king]

Re: Coward Zone users have single handedly ruined 1vs1 mode

This is about the DUMBEST thing I've seen posted here in awhile....

Like I said earlier in this thread, I hate when people like yourself try to take threads like these and use them as a way to brag and boast about how GREAT you are at the game.

Get over yourself.

If you can honestly say that DEFENSE in this game is not broken, then I seriously doubt your intelligence as far as basketball goes. Instead of focusing on the issues, all you want to do is talk about how AWESOME you apparently are on defense. Suuuure.....

Even GOOD defensive players realize that the defense in this game is beyond BROKEN...and there are some CHEESER tactics that you just CANNOT stop in Man-to-Man. If you are going to sit there and deny this, your either dumb or ignorant.

Hate to be so BLUNT...but it's hard to see it any other way.

Let's try this again

Not boasting. But I will boast now, I play online with the Raptors, Bobcats and Warriors, against the likes of the Heat, Thunder, Knicks, Nets, the teams everyone uses online. That little scouting report at the beginning of the match, mine? A+ offense, A+ defense, I stress the latter of the two

I've had situations where guys with KD can't get around Kemba Walker, LeBron can't get in the paint against the Raptors, if you have a hard time holding LT, and following where your man is going, or beating him to the spot I should say, then of course your defense is going to suck. I did not, nor am I saying this in response to the OP, but the users who quickly showed up in the thread and stated, and I paraphrase, "it's impossible to play man defense against LeBron, etc."

I and I'm sure plenty of others have absolutely no problem with the way the man defense is in this game. Sure, you'll give up a few, 2K has those dumb animations where they just morph past you and guys like Westbrook and LeBron are dunking everything viciously everytime they go up (2K also needs to cut down all these dunks), but that's 2K's fault, not the defense.

To stay on topic, the zone defense in this game is EXTREMELY overpowered, and I laugh when I see someone run it immediately from the getgo, a reason I stopped playing online. People use it as an excuse, deny ball everyone, play tight everyone, etc. it's really funny when that happens. That's lame, that's not NBA, that's college basketball. The team who runs zone the most in the NBA, probably doesn't do it more than 15 minutes in a 48 minute game. If you want to run zone all game, go pick up Collge Hoops 2K8

[NINJAK2]

Re: Coward Zone users have single handedly ruined 1vs1 mode

Personally, I was hugely disappointed when the NBA incorporated the zone defense. I think it allows poor defenders to hide. I feel that if you've made it 2 the professional level, you should be able 2 stay in front of ur man. And for the elite level offensive players, there are schemes besides a zone 2 assist with help defense.

Now with 2K, it doesn't properly simulate a realistic zone. Not when dudes just play off the ball IN A ZONE and go 4 steals on every play. Realistically, most of the time players just play good position defense and only go 4 steals when the offensive player makes a mistake. In real life players make quick, precise passes and as we all know, the passes in 2K tend 2 be slow and delayed making 4 an unrealistically high number of turnovers.

Me...I never play zone. Now I'm not saying I have a problem with players who incorporate it in their game. I just don't respect players who run it the entire game. In my opinion, ur relying on the cpu 2 do all of the work 4 u cause ur scared of getting beat on defense. I don't even understand how u can brag while utilizing those tactics. 4 this reason, the only games I play online anymore are against people on my friend list. U can't get an honest, honorable game anymore online. I like 2 mix up my offense with a good balance of plays and freelance basketball...and every game isn't a track meet. 2K really needs 2 fix these online issues cause the fun factor for me is gone.

Anyone who wants 2 get a good, clean game, hit me up on xbl...Cormega78

Great post Rebel and the bold indicates what I've been saying is the biggest issue with why zones have a tendency to be too effective. 2k either needs to slow down defender movement(more momentum in changing directions) in zones or speed up the passes to the point that defending passing lanes is about anticipation not just reaction. Poor anticipation creates opportunities for offense.

[LoudMouthHoops]

Re: Coward Zone users have single handedly ruined 1vs1 mode

Let's try this again

Not boasting. But I will boast now, I play online with the Raptors, Bobcats and Warriors, against the likes of the Heat, Thunder, Knicks, Nets, the teams everyone uses online. That little scouting report at the beginning of the match, mine? A+ offense, A+ defense, I stress the latter of the two

I've had situations where guys with KD can't get around Kemba Walker, LeBron can't get in the paint against the Raptors, if you have a hard time holding LT, and following where your man is going, or beating him to the spot I should say, then of course your defense is going to suck. I did not, nor am I saying this in response to the OP, but the users who quickly showed up in the thread and stated, and I paraphrase, "it's impossible to play man defense against LeBron, etc."

I and I'm sure plenty of others have absolutely no problem with the way the man defense is in this game. Sure, you'll give up a few, 2K has those dumb animations where they just morph past you and guys like Westbrook and LeBron are dunking everything viciously everytime they go up (2K also needs to cut down all these dunks), but that's 2K's fault, not the defense.

To stay on topic, the zone defense in this game is EXTREMELY overpowered, and I laugh when I see someone run it immediately from the getgo, a reason I stopped playing online. People use it as an excuse, deny ball everyone, play tight everyone, etc. it's really funny when that happens. That's lame, that's not NBA, that's college basketball. The team who runs zone the most in the NBA, probably doesn't do it more than 15 minutes in a 48 minute game. If you want to run zone all game, go pick up Collge Hoops 2K8

I didn't mean to come at you so negatively...had a few "adult beverages" in me....it was St Paddy's Day...

Just to be clear, I'm not crying about the defense because I suck. I actually think I'm a pretty solid defensive player. I've played a few guys better than me when it comes to locking people down while playing man-to-man, but not many.

That said, I still think the man defense is BROKEN...because it is.

Too much morphing THRU defenders like they are invisible. Off-ball man defense, help D, and rotations are a mess. The lead pass cheese is still too effective, which is one of the main reasons some people REFUSE to play man-to-man...that and the overpowered effect of TURBO and the ability of offensive players to run away from defenders sideways as defenders stay stuck in their stance...almost like the defense is lagged.

You and I actually agree on most of this.

Speaking from a personal standpoint....I always start off in man and will occasionally mix in the 3-2, which plays like a true matchup zone you might actually see in the NBA most nights.

There are games where I don't play any zone, and there are games where I throw it at an opponent early, or in certain situations. It all depends.

That said, I still think the man defense in this game is BAD. And it's what I play most of the time...and I'm solid at it. I also play with Defensive Assist set to 0.

But there is still too much that can be exploited in man defense by someone who really wants to just take advantage of the holes in the man defense.

Shoot...all you need to do is dribble right at a defender and then lead pass to his man. Or sprint sideways and run away from the defender to "create space" for an open shot...something you would NEVER see in a real game. You ever see Kobe literally RUN sideways in the halfcourt? You ever see CP3 just sprint along the 3PT line and wait for an opening to launch a 3?

There is SOME defense in this game...some. That doesn't mean it isn't BROKEN. Although I will agree with you that alot of people use it as an EXCUSE to not get better at defense and just sit in a zone....especially since the zone is overpowered....especially when you adjust the Defensive Settings and then play zone.

That's the real problem....

I think if they just had auto settings for zone like they do in the Quick defensive settings, like "Pressure Shooters" and "Constant Pressure", that would make the zone more realistic. But when you allow users to play zone and then make those CHEESY defensive settings adjustments....that's when it gets really overpowered.

[Illuminatos]

Re: Coward Zone users have single handedly ruined 1vs1 mode

Zone is beatable but that 1-3-1 "perfect defense" zone is on some next level cheese.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD8X1rlMdbc

If you use that ^^ then you're a pig.

Anyways the way I manged to beat it was to run run and run. Do that before they can set their "defense" up. Either cherry pick or run as soon as you inbound that ball. Or run the pick and roll to throw their defense off.

I hate playing like that but it's the only way to successfully stop the pigs that use that crap.

[thedream2k13]

Re: Coward Zone users have single handedly ruined 1vs1 mode

Zone is beatable but that 1-3-1 "perfect defense" zone is on some next level cheese.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD8X1rlMdbc

If you use that ^^ then you're a pig.

Anyways the way I manged to beat it was to run run and run. Do that before they can set their "defense" up. Either cherry pick or run as soon as you inbound that ball. Or run the pick and roll to throw their defense off.

I hate playing like that but it's the only way to successfully stop the pigs that use that crap.

i sent that video to 2k. Years ago they got rid of the BOX in 1 zone but kept this one even when its rarely used in the nba. I hope this is addressed for 2k14 or atleaset remove it. I can see the cheesers cry out loud if its taken out

[alabamarob]

Re: Coward Zone users have single handedly ruined 1vs1 mode

I have never used zone in a basketball game, and never would. However, I don't hate on another person for using one. Its not realistic to run a zone for a large part of an nba2k game, but I would say that most people I play run a bogus man defense that uses the same game exploits that the 1-3-1 does. Its a scrambling man defense where they double everything in the paint press and attempt to block every outside jumper and use the unrealstic defensive recovery speed bug to double the post and contest 3s at sametime. Very few people actually play position defense. Everyone is going for the block or steal. Zone or man. The recovery bug makes teams like denver better defensively than indiana because speed, blocking and lane jumping are the keys to 2k defense. Running a zone or man is not the issue to me. Its how you play them.

[vegasplaya]

Re: Coward Zone users have single handedly ruined 1vs1 mode

I have never used zone in a basketball game, and never would. However, I don't hate on another person for using one. Its not realistic to run a zone for a large part of an nba2k game, but I would say that most people I play run a bogus man defense that uses the same game exploits that the 1-3-1 does. Its a scrambling man defense where they double everything in the paint press and attempt to block every outside jumper and use the unrealstic defensive recovery speed bug to double the post and contest 3s at sametime. Very few people actually play position defense. Everyone is going for the block or steal. Zone or man. The recovery bug makes teams like denver better defensively than indiana because speed, blocking and lane jumping are the keys to 2k defense. Running a zone or man is not the issue to me. Its how you play them.

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Zone is fine . All these people complainining want to ISO in the paint with Lebum and other clowns. This isn't a one on one game it is a team game. Learn the sport

[MarvinOida]

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Zone is fine . All these people complainining want to ISO in the paint with Lebum and other clowns. This isn't a one on one game it is a team game. Learn the sport

Then why is Man To Man the most used defense in the NBA, and Zone is in the NCAA? It's basically a one on one game on DEFENSE in the NBA. 1-3-1 Zone (which barely is used in the NBA,) is overpowered, that's the problem.

[BLBxLakers24]

Re: Coward Zone users have single handedly ruined 1vs1 mode

anybody who complains about people using zone are idiots. HOW ABOUT YOU QUIT GOING ISO WITH LEBRON DURANT KOBE THE ENTIRE GAME AND MAYBE PEOPLE WOULD PLAY MAN.

Im proud to say i run zone cuz without it, online, the game is a MESS. period.

if you are really not a cheeser, & you are really good at the game, playing against a zone shouldnt matter to you.

just saying.

[BLBxLakers24]

Re: Coward Zone users have single handedly ruined 1vs1 mode

Then why is Man To Man the most used defense in the NBA, and Zone is in the NCAA? It's basically a one on one game on DEFENSE in the NBA. 1-3-1 Zone (which barely is used in the NBA,) is overpowered, that's the problem.

actually zone isnt used much in the NBA cuz the court is bigger making ur rotations longer & also better shooters in the NBA making coaches hesitent to run zone...

so learn what your talking about...

[MarvinOida]

actually zone isnt used much in the NBA cuz the court is bigger making ur rotations longer & also better shooters in the NBA making coaches hesitent to run zone...

so learn what your talking about...

That's what I was saying.... :/ Did you completely read the "man to man is the most used defense in the NBA and Zone is used in NCAA"?

[BLBxLakers24]

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I just want to remind all these idiots comaining about zone defense

THE DALLAS MAVS WON AN NBA CHAMPIONSHIP JUST 2 YEARS AGO BY RUNNING A ZONE DEFENSE TO STOP LEBRON AND WADE FROM EATING THEM UP IN THE PAINT AND DRIVING....

LEARN TO PASS & SHOOT AND BEATING A ZONE ISNT HARD IF YOU KNOW BASKETBALL....

beating a 1-3-1 is soooo easy lol soo many wide open lay ups and dunks

& last time i checked, ur coaching online to win THE GAME? correct? so if you wanna run a zone, thats everybodys right to do what they feel is best!

you use to be able to run a press and steal inbounds online & worse stuff then that, so why are you complaining about a BASKETBALL ZONE

oh

[BLBxLakers24]

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That's what I was saying.... :/ Did you completely read the "man to man is the most used defense in the NBA and Zone is used in NCAA"?

IS THERE ZONE N THE NBA USED?! YES..... SO WHAT IS THE DEBATE....... I'LL WAIT....

[MarvinOida]

IS THERE ZONE N THE NBA USED?! YES..... SO WHAT IS THE DEBATE....... I'LL WAIT....

The debate was that you thought I said that the zone was commonly used in the NBA...