Coward Zone users have single handedly ruined 1vs1 mode

[poopoop]

Re: Coward Zone users have single handedly ruined 1vs1 mode

When playing against the computer in association I play mostly man defense.

When playing against a human I play mostly zone.

Fact is the way man defense / help defense works on this game combined with how people typically play on offense makes zone defense the better choice on average. Any competent player can force me out of zone by adapting their offense exploiting the natural weaknesses that come from playing zone. However most users will just stick with their normal, easily defended with zone, gameplan and make no adjustments. Then bang their heads against the wall and cry that the 1-3-1 is impossible to score against. Perfect example my roommate who has a pretty good online record always controls the Center and usually runs zone. He gets away with it because rarely does anyone have the discipline to constantly attack him with a post player. They'll just allow him to roam around with the Center all game.

NBA teams in real life don't play very much zone. But NBA teams in real life also don't run offenses the way players do on NBA2k. I'm going to choose the defense that best responds to the offense my opponent chooses. If that means sitting in zone all day and playing an offball defender so be it. I'm not going to try to prove how manly I am by sitting in man-on-man and playing onball if it's not working, or if there are better options.

[IYoDa]

When playing against the computer in association I play mostly man defense.

When playing against a human I play mostly zone.

Fact is the way man defense / help defense works on this game combined with how people typically play on offense makes zone defense the better choice on average. Any competent player can force me out of zone by adapting their offense exploiting the natural weaknesses that come from playing zone. However most users will just stick with their normal, easily defended with zone, gameplan and make no adjustments. Then bang their heads against the wall and cry that the 1-3-1 is impossible to score against. Perfect example my roommate who has a pretty good online record always controls the Center and usually runs zone. He gets away with it because rarely does anyone have the discipline to constantly attack him with a post player. They'll just allow him to roam around with the Center all game.

NBA teams in real life don't play very much zone. But NBA teams in real life also don't run offenses the way players do on NBA2k. I'm going to choose the defense that best responds to the offense my opponent chooses. If that means sitting in zone all day and playing an offball defender so be it. I'm not going to try to prove how manly I am by sitting in man-on-man and playing onball if it's not working, or if there are better options.

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[Illuminatos]

Re: Coward Zone users have single handedly ruined 1vs1 mode

The normal 1-3-1 is easy to beat. But that "Perfect defense" zone is damn near impossible to score unless you run every possession.

[NINJAK2]

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overreaction to what? a bunch of cry babies crying bout a zone defense? oh

did dallas not win a title just 2 years ago using a zone? oh. i like how the cry babies ignore that FACT. lmfao

You make a great point BLBx. The fact you are missing about the zone Dallas employed and the zones in 2k are that they are nothing alike. That Dallas zone (which is realistic) forced the Heat into taking jumpers, often wide open ones which they bricked. The zones in 2k (mostly due to lethargic passing and defensive recovery speed with Bruce Lee-like quickness) can often neutralize both inside and outside which is complete BS. People can play whatever D they want, just don't go spouting that the principles of zone d in 2k aren't a little jacked up.

[MarvinOida]

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You make a great point BLBx. The fact you are missing about the zone Dallas employed and the zones in 2k are that they are nothing alike. That Dallas zone (which is realistic) forced the Heat into taking jumpers, often wide open ones which they bricked. The zones in 2k (mostly due to lethargic passing and defensive recovery speed with Bruce Lee-like quickness) can often neutralize both inside and outside which is complete BS. People can play whatever D they won't just don't go spouting that the principles of zone d in 2k aren't a little jacked up.

Great point, Dwade and I already said this though, (the Dallas winning a championship using zone.) But I'm glad you notice the unrealistic abilities a zone defense has in 2K.

[jersez]

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If the closeout and rotation speed by the cpu wasn't so unrealistic I think most of us wouldn't have a problem with zone usage. It's not fair, but 2k has been using this method to help the cpu offline for years. I'm actually looking for some sim ballers on psn to play against, since that's the only way to enjoy online really.

[MarvinOida]

If the closeout and rotation speed by the cpu wasn't so unrealistic I think most of us wouldn't have a problem with zone usage. It's not fair, but 2k has been using this method to help the cpu offline for years. I'm actually looking for some sim ballers on psn to play against, since that's the only way to enjoy online really.

I recommend the "Hold the Cheese, Im Lactose Intolerant" thread stickied in NBA 2K Online Subforum. I'm sure a sim PSN player will find and play you.

[ksuttonjr76]

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After reading this thread and playing online intensely for the past two weeks, it's really hard for me to be critical of people who use the 1-3-1 zone. Man-to-man, AI defensive awareness, and AI rotation is horrible this year. It's HARD to play defense when the offense can bump you in a manner where they give themselves a TON of space to work with and the closeout animations don't properly contest shots.

There are those few bums who are TRUE cowards of playing their own defense. However, some of those people can be individuals who genuinely attempted to play their own defense, but succumbed to the "Some defense is better than no defense" camp.

I know that I've been using more and more zone which each passing game I play online. Also, I started using some of those defensive settings, because I'm getting tired of how stupid my teammates act on defense. I still tend to use man-to-man defense overall, because I enjoy getting my own steals and blocks (when they happen). However, it's getting more and more frustrating that I can be busting my butt on defense, but the following things may happen...

• I keep sliding OUT of good defensive position.
• AI teammate fouls on the play.
• Signature skill bails them out.

[magicman32]

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Man to Man defense is not broken like some claim. It could use a little more polish (contact could be more consistent). Man to Man is very effective if you put in the time, learn angles, learn the right stick and know what you are doing.

I play nothing but man to man on ball defense. I'm talking 99% of the time. I win the majority of the games I play. I honestly can't stand playing 1-3-1 cheeser or a player who plays man, but switches defenders so the CPU can do all the work. Most of the time, I have no trouble beating a zone, but the 1-3-1 is so cheesy.

2k either needs to speed up the pass and catch animations or take 1-3-1 zone out of the game. There is no reason a team should be able to use a 1-3-1, TRIPLE team 1 player, and be able to recover without being punished.

[NINJAK2]

Re: Coward Zone users have single handedly ruined 1vs1 mode

Man to Man defense is not broken like some claim. It could use a little more polish (contact could be more consistent). Man to Man is very effective if you put in the time, learn angles, learn the right stick and know what you are doing.

I play nothing but man to man on ball defense. I'm talking 99% of the time. I win the majority of the games I play. I honestly can't stand playing 1-3-1 cheeser or a player who plays man, but switches defenders so the CPU can do all the work. Most of the time, I have no trouble beating a zone, but the 1-3-1 is so cheesy.

2k either needs to speed up the pass and catch animations or take 1-3-1 zone out of the game. There is no reason a team should be able to use a 1-3-1, TRIPLE team 1 player, and be able to recover without being punished.

[jersez]

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I find turning down run plays and offensive temp in the coaching profile seems to make my players stay where they are, a lot of the time a teammate will be wide open, but cut suddenly for no reason. Idk I could be wrong but It seems to work for me, when playing against the 1-3-1 zone.

[Biizz713]

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if 95% of the online community plays zone what does that tell you? it tells me that it's clearly broken. I'm so sick of playing these guys. you have people standing wide open but it doesn't matter, as soon as you pass the ball they switch to the closest player and sprint to the shooter before the ball even gets there. Passing has to be sped up, catching has to be sped up, the closeout animation has to be slowed down, and personally I don't think you should be able to switch defenders while a pass is in the air. Punish people for being out of position instead of rewarding it.

if this is still an issue next game I don't see how I could tolerate it.

[IYoDa]

if 95% of the online community plays zone what does that tell you? it tells me that it's clearly broken. I'm so sick of playing these guys. you have people standing wide open but it doesn't matter, as soon as you pass the ball they switch to the closest player and sprint to the shooter before the ball even gets there. Passing has to be sped up, catching has to be sped up, the closeout animation has to be slowed down, and personally I don't think you should be able to switch defenders while a pass is in the air. Punish people for being out of position instead of rewarding it.

if this is still an issue next game I don't see how I could tolerate it.

It tells me that the remaining 5% of players would rather whine about it instead of using plays, finding ways around it etc etc.
This game has turned into a whinefest.
If it was unbeatable the nba would use it non stop.

[Ramboooo]

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It tells me that the remaining 5% of players would rather whine about it instead of using plays, finding ways around it etc etc.
This game has turned into a whinefest.
If it was unbeatable the nba would use it non stop.

Lol clearly this went over your head. Since when is accurate criticism of something = whining. IF it were as effective as it is in NBA 2k, be sure that the NBA would use it all the time. That's exactly the point...it's over-effective when you compare it to the real NBA (which is why 95% use it). They don't use it cuz it's smart D, they use it cuz it's cheese. I'm done "whining" about this though cuz I just won't play the mode anymore. In blacktop there is no cpu zone cheese.