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  • the_future420
    MVP
    • Jul 2002
    • 3086

    #166
    Re: the_future420's Simulation All-Star Sliders

    I really dropped the ball last night guys. Was planning on releasing V 2.5, but never really got the chance because me and my buddy never stopped playing VS. each other. We played about 10 full 12min qtr games, then we alternated playing online. I didn't even get any sleep

    Reading some of the posts here though, I'm really torn. I see some people are saying the CPU misses too many shots, others are posting stats where they shot over 50%, some people are quitting before halftime because they are getting blown out, others are saying both their and the cpu numbers are pretty much spot on. Isn't that what we want? Variety? Some nights teams are gonna struggle, other nights they will be lights out. I really think things will balance out as the season wears on. As far as the shooting sliders, I am pretty sure I am gonna stick with:

    Close:35
    Mid:45
    3Pt:46
    Layup:45

    Maybe +1 to Mid and 3Pt, but no more than that. If you see the CPU consistently shooting subpar aganst you (say over a 5-10 game stretch) then obviously you should bump up their shooting a bit. Same goes for your team.

    Complaints I've seen that I agree with:

    Rebounds-They must be increased, and defensive must be increased by more than offensive. I've seen too many boards hit the floor.

    Subs/Stamina-Players don't get tired enough at default 50. Playing HUM vs. HUM last night, I found that 47 works pretty well for 12 min qtrs.

    Steals-May need to come down just a bit. The downside to this is that there just aren't that many non-steal turnovers in this game. So if we decrease steals, we decrease turnovers. This is really pick your poison.

    Fouls-Need to come up slightly. Not overwhelmingly, but slightly. This will also increase FG% on some of those close shots in the paint that don't go in and instead get called fouls. Also will decrease PiTP.

    Also, I still haven't been able to execute an alley-oop, even with Dunking Ability at 36. Has anybody been able to successfully execute an oop?

    Guys, we will never be able to get this game to play perfect ball. My goal is to get this game as close as possible. I appreciate everybody taking the time to try out these sliders,post feedback and help me tweak along the way.

    However, as much fun as this thread has been guys, by Friday Night, I'm done tweaking sliders. I'm gonna adjust what I think needs to be adjusted from now until then with you guys' input and then I'm starting my association. My sliders might not be for everybody. Different players play different ways and no one thing is good for everybody. So, with that said lets try to come up with some final tweaks because I'm sure EVERYBODY wants to play association and not exhibition.

    I appreciate everybody who has posted in this thread.
    Last edited by the_future420; 10-15-2008, 10:20 AM.
    PSN ID: thefuture420
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    • ehh
      Hall Of Fame
      • Mar 2003
      • 28962

      #167
      Re: the_future420's Simulation All-Star Sliders

      Originally posted by the_future420
      Reading some of the posts here though, I'm really torn. I see some people are saying the CPU misses too many shots, others are posting stats where they shot over 50%, some people are quitting before halftime because they are getting blown out, others are saying both their and the cpu numbers are pretty much spot on. Isn't that what we want? Variety? Some nights teams are gonna struggle, other nights they will be lights out. I really think things will balance out as the season wears on.
      Good point and that's why I'm not going to change anything after just two full games (and a few random quarters). People get a little too impatient with sliders sometimes, you're gonna need at least a dozen full test games to get a good feel, IMO.
      "You make your name in the regular season, and your fame in the postseason." - Clyde Frazier

      "Beware of geeks bearing formulas." - Warren Buffet

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      • ravellron
        Rookie
        • Oct 2008
        • 196

        #168
        Re: the_future420's Simulation All-Star Sliders

        Originally posted by JMan350Z
        Just played 1st qtr of Heat (me) vs Knicks.

        Heat 22 - Knicks 19

        I'm not going to post all the stats, but the one that stood out to me was FG%...it was as follows:

        FG% - MIA 8/24 (33%), NYK 7/25 (28%)


        A bright spot, I was able to drive the lane and draw some good fouls with Wade, as I went 6/8 from the line in the 1st. But still, FG% is too low, as it was last night too in my PHX/DEN game...(seems to need some work, but i'm a keep truckin in this game).
        i always begin an association to try this slider cuz in exibition mode the game is more neutral...
        me to in the first quarter i have similar and realistic statistic, the problems begins after... in the second and third the cpu begin to strike every basket unrealisticaly and the human waste the shoot sometimes also five times in a row like if the game seems to deny you at 100% the goal...
        the bad is that everything happened with hornets(me) vs Warriors(cpu) , and the warriors have bad statistics than NO....
        and i try difficult to beat them, and in two game that i tried i lose always by 2 or 3 points after many many shoot wrong by me....and for wrong i mean the same as before, that the game seems to deny you the goal.... not realistic an association like that...is for this also that im telling about to gain more % for human..
        Last edited by ravellron; 10-15-2008, 10:43 AM.

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        • JHedges2
          MVP
          • Jan 2007
          • 4651

          #169
          Re: the_future420's Simulation All-Star Sliders

          Here are my halftime stats: Heat 50 - Knicks 35

          ...I am alarmed at the low FG%, (esp. for CPU (Knicks)), and at how many damn 3PT's they took!!! Everything else looks good. I love how much I was able to get to the line!!
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          • Keaton
            Rookie
            • Jun 2008
            • 207

            #170
            Re: the_future420's Simulation All-Star Sliders

            Originally posted by JMan350Z
            and at how many damn 3PT's they took!!! Everything else looks good
            Wish I could say that only once...

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            • the_future420
              MVP
              • Jul 2002
              • 3086

              #171
              Re: the_future420's Simulation All-Star Sliders

              Originally posted by JMan350Z
              Here are my halftime stats: Heat 50 - Knicks 35

              ...I am alarmed at the low FG%, (esp. for CPU (Knicks)), and at how many damn 3PT's they took!!! Everything else looks good. I love how much I was able to get to the line!!
              Anytime you play the Knicks they are gonna jack up a ton of 3s. Its because in their coaching profile, D'Antoni has Take 3pts shots at some ungodly level of like 95 or 100.
              PSN ID: thefuture420
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              • ravellron
                Rookie
                • Oct 2008
                • 196

                #172
                Re: the_future420's Simulation All-Star Sliders

                take to much 3 points doesn't mean the slider is set wrong.....if you double pressing with a player you let free a three pointer shooting...

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                • JHedges2
                  MVP
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 4651

                  #173
                  Re: the_future420's Simulation All-Star Sliders

                  Final, it was a cakewalk...as to be expected I suppose. Knicks are horrible.
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                  • Kernel Pie
                    Rookie
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 205

                    #174
                    Re: the_future420's Simulation All-Star Sliders

                    Here's my 8 game field goal numbers with these sliders (12 min, all star). Pretty spot on, with good disparity.

                    field goals

                    user.......................cpu
                    35/81 43%.........34/90 37%
                    41.85 48%.........45/88 51%
                    32/85 37%.........33/79 41%
                    43/80 53%.........39/87 44%
                    39/80 48%.........44/85 51%
                    35/74 47%.........31/70 44%
                    35/70 50%.........37/84 44%
                    48/83 57%.........41/77 53%

                    ....avg.....................avg................... ..league avg

                    38.5/79.7...48%.......38/82.5...46%...........37/81.5 .457

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                    • the_future420
                      MVP
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 3086

                      #175
                      Re: the_future420's Simulation All-Star Sliders

                      Originally posted by Kernel Pie
                      Here's my 8 game field goal numbers with these sliders (12 min, all star). Pretty spot on, with good disparity.

                      field goals

                      user.......................cpu
                      35/81 43%.........34/90 37%
                      41.85 48%.........45/88 51%
                      32/85 37%.........33/79 41%
                      43/80 53%.........39/87 44%
                      39/80 48%.........44/85 51%
                      35/74 47%.........31/70 44%
                      35/70 50%.........37/84 44%
                      48/83 57%.........41/77 53%

                      ....avg.....................avg................... ..league avg

                      38.5/79.7...48%.......38/82.5...46%...........37/81.5 .457

                      This is exactly what I am talking about. I've held the CPU under 40%, and they've also went for over 50% against me a couple of times. I use different teams/different matchups and see different results, but in the end my numbers average out close to these.
                      PSN ID: thefuture420
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                      • drewbs
                        Rookie
                        • Sep 2004
                        • 237

                        #176
                        Re: the_future420's Simulation All-Star Sliders

                        I thought these were pretty good, I just played Celtics vs. Lakers (me) and got pretty realistic stats, I lost by about 16 though, and missed a lot of inside layups, they were contested and the Celtics have a high defensive rating so that seemed to work ok. I also got better results after bringing both user and CPU shot blocking ratings down to about 10-15. 20 is just too high, I racked up 4 blocks with Pau Gasol alone in the first half with, and Kevin Garnett still shot 9/11 on me with inside shots. Idk if this was a case where he was just hitting shots this game or if the percentage is still too high because of settings, regardless I had a pretty tough time scoring on him one on one with Pau Gasol who had 16 pts on 6/14 (a few baskets from screen/roll and a few from offensive rebounds). But in general the score was pretty realistic, and these sliders definitely make it more difficult to score in the paint.

                        102-88
                        fg%: 47%/42%
                        rebounds: 46/41
                        asts: 19/20

                        Kevin Garnett: 20 pts, 9/11, 14 rebounds, 1 assist
                        Kobe Bryant: 29 pts, 8/15, 4 rebounds, 10 assists, 5 turnovers (the cpu was pretty relentless going for the ball)
                        Last edited by drewbs; 10-15-2008, 11:51 AM.

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                        • JayFarrar
                          Rookie
                          • Aug 2006
                          • 357

                          #177
                          Re: the_future420's Simulation All-Star Sliders

                          As I said before, in my inaugeral game with these Golden State scored 74 of their 101 points in the paint. This is 70% plus. Anyway to fix this? Either with defensive strategy or something I can do in the way I defend? Because otherwise things were perfect.

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                          • AJColossal
                            Rookie
                            • Jun 2003
                            • 263

                            #178
                            Re: the_future420's Simulation All-Star Sliders

                            Originally posted by JMan350Z
                            Final, it was a cakewalk...as to be expected I suppose. Knicks are horrible.
                            Really impressive stats, because I like the variety. I played a few games with these sliders, and they were awesome, but I was slightly concerned with the human player not getting to the line enough and the CPU not taking enough 3's. Looks like you saw the exact opposite in your game.

                            Really appreciating the variety I've been seeing in our stats.

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                            • JHedges2
                              MVP
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 4651

                              #179
                              Re: the_future420's Simulation All-Star Sliders

                              Through 3 games, my averages...

                              (Sorry it's a bit blurry, but I think you can make out all the numbers accurately!).

                              Only thing I can see that could prolly use a bit of work is 3PT%, and 3PT attempts by CPU. They seem to take A TON, and in my 2nd game (with the Heat, keep in mind), I was 0/11 from downtown...The Jazz just went 2/14 against me (Suns).
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                              • jcwkings
                                Rookie
                                • Sep 2006
                                • 189

                                #180
                                Re: the_future420's Simulation All-Star Sliders

                                Is anybody using these with nogsters tendencies, because yesterday i played 5 minute quarters against the bulls, i was the spurs, and the bulls only took 2 threes the whole game with nogsters tendencies.

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