Understanding slider coefficients

[32MJ32]

Re: Understanding slider coefficients

JasonWilliams55,

This is an amazing piece of work. For a longtime 2K player who does not enjoy any level higher than All-Star due to unrealistic player performance, it affirms my suspicions that the AI gets arbitrary and widespread ratings boosts across the board as the difficulty increases.

Knowing which attributes to increase/decrease and by how much is super helpful. +17 for O & D awareness and +6 for shot success on Superstar is just.. remarkable

[CyberOps]

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Few things, you said change Ball Security but can I do that just on the xbox by changing Ball Handling ? Or would you recommend to leave it alone then?

Also what attribute did you mean with Pass ? Because I dont have that in my game.

[JasonWilliams55]

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when you say ll other attributes does that include the shot selection sliders also.
cpu offense
Inside Shot Success +1
Close Shot Success +1
Mid-Range Success +1
3PT Success +1
Layup Success +1
Dunk in Traffic Frequency +1
Dunk in Traffic Success +1
Pass Accuracy +1
Alley-Oop Success +1
Contact Shot Success +1

or is is just the settings under the attributes settings.

these are not attributes, these are the offensive sliders. just the settings under the attributes tab.

[JasonWilliams55]

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Few things, you said change Ball Security but can I do that just on the xbox by changing Ball Handling ? Or would you recommend to leave it alone then?

Also what attribute did you mean with Pass ? Because I dont have that in my game.

Ball Sec, is not editable in game, and must be done through a PC editor. So don't worry about it, you can mess with Ball Handling a bit as it does effect Ball Sec.

Ignore the passing, there is no attribute slider for it, the only passing slider is in the offensive section and its for the accuracy only.

[CyberOps]

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Ball Sec, is not editable in game, and must be done through a PC editor. So don't worry about it, you can mess with Ball Handling a bit as it does effect Ball Sec.

Ignore the passing, there is no attribute slider for it, the only passing slider is in the offensive section and its for the accuracy only.

Thanks, really apreciate the help you gave in making my gameplay better

[KingV2k3]

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For pro, add this:

Def and Off Awareness +2
Hands +2
Ball Security +2
Def and Off Rebounds +2
All other Attributes +1 (except for steal, pass, stamina, durability, fatigue, consistency)

to the CPU and then it will be balanced (true to ratings on both sides).

If you bump up the USER side it goes for all your players.

I play on Pro and concur with the above...I'd also put the D Controller Assist at 50, to REALLY even out the sides...

Great gameplay, the complaints about over-implemented momentum / 4th quarter "Clutch" boosts / don't seem to exist on this level...

Everything's gotten to a point where it looks / plays / feels VERY realistic...

Great info, continued thanks!

FURTHERMORE:

I implemented tweaks to my current Pro set using JW55's "Universal" set (I'm using Bed's rosters) and I have to say:

I have played the crap outta this series for 10 out of the last 12 years and this is BY FAR the best overall experience to date...

THANKS JW and co. / Bed and Co. / OS

WOW

I have not tested Rookie, but I would assume that the USER side gets a +4 boost, not confirmed though.

I played a bunch on Rookie at first and it appeared to me that the boost was in the 6 range for the HUM

[Ketsueki]

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Damn... lol

[44drob]

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a slider science nice

[bcruise]

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SIAP (I know the OP is banned but maybe someone else can answer)

Is it safe to assume the other 2k basketball games also worked in a similar manner (specifically, one College Hoops 2k8)?

This is fascinating stuff, I'll have to read through the whole thing at some point.

[njkroc]

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NBA2K13 Rating changes per difficulty and how to adjust sliders accordingly

What's up everyone, here are the exact rating changes that 2K makes whenever you change the difficulty so that you can adjust the sliders to counter the CPU cheese and have a more balanced game. Sneaky 2K makes some changes you may not expect...

The number given after the attribute is how many slider points you must add to or subtract from the CPU to make the players balanced. IF there is a + before the number it means you add to the CPU slider, a - means you subtract from CPU slider.


PRO:
Def and Off Awareness +2
Hands +2
Ball Security +2
Def and Off Rebounds +2
All other Attributes +1 (except for steal, pass, stamina, durability, fatigue, consistency)


ALL STAR:
Def and Off Awareness -10
Hands -7
Ball Security -7 (tricky because you can only change this through the Ball Handling slider which changes 3 different attribues, Ball Security, Off-hand dribbling and Ball Handling... I use Roster Editor by LEFTOS to change this independently)
All other attributes -3 (except for stamina, durability, fatigue, consistency)
Offensive scoring sliders +4. Yes, add 4 to the CPU scoring sliders to get a shooting percentage balance. Inside scoring, close, mid, 3pt. Offensive scoring slider is subjective and based on my personal playing experience.

SUPERSTAR:
Def and Off Awareness -17
Hands -14
Ball Security -14 (tricky because you can only change this through the Ball Handling slider which changes 3 different attribues, Ball Security, Off-hand dribbling and Ball Handling... I use Roster Editor by LEFTOS to change this independently)
Steal -7
Def and Off Rebound -7
All other attributes -6 (except for stamina, durability, fatigue, consistency)
Offensive scoring sliders for Superstar seem like they are already balanced; need to subtract or add from USER or CPU, keep them the same as each other.

Hall of Fame
Def and Off Awareness -20
Hands -20
Ball Security -20 (tricky because you can only change this through the Ball Handling slider which changes 3 different attribues, Ball Security, Off-hand dribbling and Ball Handling... I use Roster Editor by LEFTOS to change this independently)
Steal -10
Def and Off Reb -10
Dunk ability -7
Speed -7
All other attributes -8 (except for stamina, durability, fatigue, consistency)
Offensive scoring sliders for Hall of Fame I do not know because I don't play on this difficulty, I play Superstar.

Cheers, Mates

Has anyone figured out what the shooting edits would be then for superstar and Hall of Fame or if someone can show me how to figure out the numbers.

[BullFan 23]

Has anyone figured out what the shooting edits would be then for superstar and Hall of Fame or if someone can show me how to figure out the numbers.

What about shot success and defensive sliders?

[cgalligan]

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Great thread. Loving the info...

With all the knowledge that has been brought to the table here, has there been a Slider set that everyone has somewhat agreed upon?

[therizing02]

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Interesting findings to say the least. With that being said, what is the point of playing on any level higher than PRO if that is the level where there are no CPU boosts? What is the CPU doing different on the higher levels? Is the AI advanced to a more realistic level?

My main reason for not going to the higher levels are because I haven't mastered the ISO Motion moves and I also think that the cheesy momentum would be off the charts.

[JasonWilliams55]

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Just uploaded a quick video, no commentary.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvPZpc10ygI

[jonapaloma]

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Test: Scrimmage mode (no fatigue).

Pro level. Tip off, pause. Check ratings, no deviation (no arrows either direction). Go to controller, switch teams, check ratings, again no deviation. Note Jermaine Oneals standing dunk rating = 62.

Change difficulty to All Star, start scrimmage for 2 seconds. Pause game, switch off of Phoenix to OKC. Start game, pause. Switch back to PHO, check sub menu. Note JO standing dunk rating (green arrow now) = 67. Switch off PHO, change diff to Superstar. Start scrimmage for a sec. Pause, switch back to PHO. Check sub menu, JO standing dunk now a 70. HoF = 72.

I cant get this to work. I doing this: Start a scrimmage, do the tip-off, pause, check ratings USER, change to other team, be ingame for 1 second, pause, change difficulty to HOF, check USER and CPU team and still no changes to ratings.

What do I do wrong?

I'm on the PC and use the latest UBR roster.