3/2 Nerf, when?

[Sir Master Tim]

Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

totes. that's video games.

I dont think you understand how this relationship is supposed to work. Im supposed to say it wont work then your supposed reassure us that its going to work. Kind of like how sony reasured us our personal information was protected back in 2011. ZIIIING .. score 1 for the home team

[eVizions]

Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

yeah, so we're not huge fans of the 3/2. philosophically, we want players to get awesome cards, put those awesome cards in their decks, and then perform better as a result. that rush you get whenever you pull something new or fantastic? we like that. that feeling you feel when a card really completes your five-man deck? we love that. making a decision to NOT use a card because it benefits your matchmaking isn't something we're all that after (minus the edge cases when you want to, say, avoid tipping over ++ until you receive a few more cards).


we've tried to tackle the 3/2 a couple of times and my impression is that we finally got it. there's some more testing to do, i think, but we'll get that out to you as soon as possible.


(also, sorry about the vagueness -- the fix is a 'secret sauce' kind of thing.)

Hopefully you scale back +5 games a little to compensate. Last RC, I thought you guys were nerfing the 3/2, so I started out with a lineup of 4 RC Stars and HOF Hakeem and I got massacred. Part of that was probably because I was playing a bunch of 3/2 lineups, but I won like 25% of my games with a lineup of literally the best single cards in the game. I didn't play with my Star Pros because I knew I'd face lineups made up of MVP, P&P, AS and HOF Pros and I wouldn't stand a chance.

I play all +10 games, but if I'm not winning at least 85% of games, I'm probably not going to waste credits on hot streaks.

[GrapeApe216]

Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

I have a bad feeling that this "fix" will pit teams of five normal star pros against teams with RC pros, PnPs pros, HoF pros, etc. Which would essentially be going full P2W

[Rip4ever]

Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

yeah, so we're not huge fans of the 3/2. philosophically, we want players to get awesome cards, put those awesome cards in their decks, and then perform better as a result. that rush you get whenever you pull something new or fantastic? we like that. that feeling you feel when a card really completes your five-man deck? we love that. making a decision to NOT use a card because it benefits your matchmaking isn't something we're all that after (minus the edge cases when you want to, say, avoid tipping over ++ until you receive a few more cards).


we've tried to tackle the 3/2 a couple of times and my impression is that we finally got it. there's some more testing to do, i think, but we'll get that out to you as soon as possible.


(also, sorry about the vagueness -- the fix is a 'secret sauce' kind of thing.)

I'm cool with that. I hope whatever it is works. Also glad to hear confirmation that the desire of the game is to promote a five man deck. I really like early on trying to get a rebounder and a playmaker. You know rounding your team and filling holes. To me when playing 3 killer PGs out of position and two scrub cards is a top strategy and playing five good complimentary cards is a recipe for failure something is wrong.

Be prepared for the mountain of cheesers to complain however unless they can somehow still win 95% + of their +5 games.

Sorry, but cheesers wanna cheese.

[Sir Master Tim]

Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

I'm cool with that. I hope whatever it is works. Also glad to hear confirmation that the desire of the game is to promote a five man deck. I really like early on trying to get a rebounder and a playmaker. You know rounding your team and filling holes. To me when playing 3 killer PGs out of position and two scrub cards is a top strategy and playing five good complimentary cards is a recipe for failure something is wrong.

Be prepared for the mountain of cheesers to complain however unless they can somehow still win 95% + of their +5 games.

Sorry, but cheesers wanna cheese.

Ima cheese the..... out of this forum come monday mourn

[nzjase]

Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

I think a fix to the 3/2 LU is to leave it alone but make it undesirable to play.

How do you do that... you give an extra pick for winning all 4 quarters. This means you can run a 3/2 lineup if you want but you are screwing your picks it also puts real value on filling out your quick game line up correctly.

Lastly winning all four quarters isn't overly easy, I am not saying win in 4 but to win all 4.

FYI - I can't take credit for the extra pick idea I read it on hear a week or two ago but can't remember who to give credit to for it :P

[Rip4ever]

Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

I think that would just change the 3/2 strat to a 4/1 strat. I doubt it would promote full use of all five cards.

[Sir Master Tim]

Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

I think that would just change the 3/2 strat to a 4/1 strat. I doubt it would promote full use of all five cards.

Lets just hope they know what they are doing. Games that were even more popular have collapsed because developers tried to "improve" upon features that werent really broken.


Im not taking a shot at CD. Im just saying its a fine line between improving and controlling. CD doesnt like the 3/2 so they intend to fix it. Players are already frustrated with season rewards,taxes, and the introduction of PO tier. If these new changes dont go as planned then it could be the tipping point for most players.

[Yonder]

Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

How do you do that... you give an extra pick for winning all 4 quarters.

Like that!

Another easy fix would be to remove the predictable pattern the CPU is playing and randomize the order of their 5 cards. 3/2 would be dead in a heartbeat. :wink:

[Melcho]

Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

Like that!

Another easy fix would be to remove the predictable pattern the CPU is playing and randomize the order of their 5 cards. 3/2 would be dead in a heartbeat. :wink:

Yep, I suggested this one a while back too, basically the AI always plays their best cards 1st, 3rd and 5th. It's too easy to beat.

[Pims95]

Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

yeah, so we're not huge fans of the 3/2. philosophically, we want players to get awesome cards, put those awesome cards in their decks, and then perform better as a result. that rush you get whenever you pull something new or fantastic? we like that. that feeling you feel when a card really completes your five-man deck? we love that. making a decision to NOT use a card because it benefits your matchmaking isn't something we're all that after (minus the edge cases when you want to, say, avoid tipping over ++ until you receive a few more cards).


we've tried to tackle the 3/2 a couple of times and my impression is that we finally got it. there's some more testing to do, i think, but we'll get that out to you as soon as possible.


(also, sorry about the vagueness -- the fix is a 'secret sauce' kind of thing.)

Where dem caps at? Nice to see it isn't a copy-paste and that B Rad is in da house for real. :wink:

[KBAQ]

Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

At what point is it a problem vs it being Metagame for top end players? Realistically, if we all use 3/2 it's a good setup and easy enough to do well in +5. You already needed rewards, why also kill the Metagame?


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[KBAQ]

Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

Needed = nerfed


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[Sir Master Tim]

Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

Needed = nerfed


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Thats the point i was getting at. The 3/2 lineup served as a balancing act. CD wants us to use our best lineups against others best lineups that are tiers ABOVE US. Ive played 30games in RC with my best lineup against +5 competition. Lets just say 27 of those games ended with deadre jordan making a basket. (side note: I dont have a deandre jordan soooo). Thats not exagerated numbers either. I split the first 4 matchups in 27games then lost to either Deandre jordan or Dame LiL in overtime on mostly offensive calls. I also didnt know DeJo was that strong of a player but thats beside the point. Unless CD is going to level the playing field and making +5s against people in our specific tier then i dont see how this update will be anything better then a dumpster fire.

[KBAQ]

Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

Thats the point i was getting at. The 3/2 lineup served as a balancing act. CD wants us to use our best lineups against others best lineups that are tiers ABOVE US. Ive played 30games in RC with my best lineup against +5 competition. Lets just say 27 of those games ended with deadre jordan making a basket. (side note: I dont have a deandre jordan soooo). Thats not exagerated numbers either. I split the first 4 matchups in 27games then lost to either Deandre jordan or Dame LiL in overtime on mostly offensive calls. I also didnt know DeJo was that strong of a player but thats beside the point. Unless CD is going to level the playing field and making +5s against people in our specific tier then i dont see how this update will be anything better then a dumpster fire.

Totally agree. If there is increased difficulty in playing against decks that are better than yours, you need to have some sort of strategy to be able to beat them that is more than hoping you get offensive quarters all the time. They can be hard, but there needs to be a reliable way to win.


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