IGN Review......9.0

[Vast]

Re: IGN Review......9.0

The speed alone would kill the gameplay

Nobody is going to convince playmaker that Sliding and hyperfast speed does not belong in an NBA simulation. Why do you think hes obsessed with sliders? Cuz he loves the sliding in Live.

[Admiral50]

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Being a huge 2K player (over Live) for the last few years, I'll tell you that it NEEDED tweaking (to zero basically) of the steal AND block sliders out of the box. Geez, the exact quote from the new Live review from IGN could be applied to 2K5. Except anyone, no matter what their rating, could get 20 steals and 10 blocks a game. Yet unlike Live 2006 (which I've had for almost a week and can confirm that after spending a massive 20 seconds to change the sliders) the 2K5 sliders in those area's did almost nothing.

And to 2K fans who attack Live on it's sliding (I was one of them doing the attacking in the past) - well you now have floating. The animations (started in 2K5) in the 2K6 video's again have a floaty look. They players' feet are not touching the ground (could be confirmed by looking at close replays in 2K5) and the ball doesn't seem to hit the ground when it's bounced. So if Live is ice hockey then 2K is walking on the moon.

Oh and hyperfast speed? Out of the box, Live 06 is much better. The pace is very good and may only need a slight tweak.

I'm not going to say quit the bashing because I know I was like that at a stage with Live, but I will say that fully giving each game some time (I will try 2K6) is worthwhile. Playing 3 full games (8 min qtrs) of Live last night was amazing. Awesome fast breaks (by me and the cpu), guys sprinting off screens for jumpers, attacking the basket (maybe a little too much) all done with the most (by FAR) and the best (by even FARTHER) animations ever in a basketball game.

[Playmakers]

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Well, all I can say is that for guy's who don't like the sliding and it really bothers you that much then why even look at vidoes or read about it. Simply move on and don't buy the game because EA hasn't changed it in the past few years so why waiste time speaking of it.

I think too many guy's want these companies to all have things similiar to each other. You get used to the way one company does things and then you feel if the other company does it different it's not realistic or playable. Well, that doesn't mean it's a problem with the gameplay it's just a problem with your preference in gameplay.

I get good results from certain tiltes and then I get bad results from certain titles. But you won't find me expecting things to change if a company hasn't done it in 3-4 years already. I really don't see the point of guy's posting about a game's negative features if they aren't going to get the game. I mean seriously what's the point if your aren't playing the game. Save your money get the game that best fits your description of Football, Baseball, Basketball or Hockey. It's obvious that EA has aspects of all their games that you didn't like before and most likely your not going to like now. But there are some of us that can manage to make the games very entertaining and challenging even with some of the flaws that exist year after year.

I can go to any sports title and find the same exact flaws every year. Some might be toned down from year to year but they still exist simply because the engine for these sports titles don't make drastic changes. I can only play baseball for 989 sports games but before that I couldn't play their games since the first GameDay football game they created. It's not my style so I don't waist my time getting the games to see if anything from the previous years has changed. I don't participate in threads that I'm obvioulsy not going to get the game anyways. I can understand guy's who might have interest in the game and they are trying to decide if they want to get it. But guy's who who already have their mind made up or guy's who already know how a games graphics or gameplay will turn them off still decides they are going to post like they do every year to let people know why your aren't getting the game. We already know it's the same reasons you didn't like the game the year before that and before that.....so what's the problem.

In fact I'm betting that even on Next Gen most of these company's will still create their games using pretty much the same formulas just with better technology. That means you are still going to see aspects of that game from the current consoles that you didn't like so why even bother waisting your money when after 1 week or even a month your going to trade the game in simply because it doesn't play like the games your use to playing developed by another company. Until this year when I decided to only rent NHL 2K6 and MLB 2K6 I would always buy both EA's and VC's products. In the last year EA's products have felt better gameplay wise to me so I decided I wasn't buying both anymore. But you won't see me posting on the 2K boards about a game that I have no intentions on purchasing. I don't expect the mechanics of of those games to change from previous years so why complain about the company if I already know they are going to have something in the game that's always been there in the past few years.

[Vince]

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Nobody is going to convince playmaker that Sliding and hyperfast speed does not belong in an NBA simulation. Why do you think hes obsessed with sliders? Cuz he loves the sliding in Live.

I'm so freaking sick of these damn 2k fanboys.

[Playmakers]

Re: IGN Review......9.0

Nobody is going to convince playmaker that Sliding and hyperfast speed does not belong in an NBA simulation. Why do you think hes obsessed with sliders? Cuz he loves the sliding in Live.

Your right I'm not going to let you or anyone else decide what game I play. I decide that on my own by playing the games not by reading about it or listening to what a clown like you has to say without even owning the game.

And by the way everyone said Phoenix couldn't win in the playoffs at a breakneck pace for NBA basketball either. There is a speed setting for gameplay. Maybe if you touched that slider more often you would get the game to play at any speed you feel is appropriate. So, the hyperfast speed your talking about is simply something you picked up on your own just from reading not actually playing the game yourself......

[Playmakers]

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I'm so freaking sick of these damn 2k fanboys.

The sad part is he's going to show up in a slider thread over at 2K forums using someone else's sliders to make 2K's gameplay better. Yet, he'll act as if it's a crime to play Live with adjusted sliders.

[Admiral50]

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In fact I'm betting that even on Next Gen most of these company's will still create their games using pretty much the same formulas just with better technology. That means you are still going to see aspects of that game from the current consoles that you didn't like so why even bother waisting your money when after 1 week or even a month your going to trade the game in simply because it doesn't play like the games your use to playing developed by another company. Until this year when I decided to only rent NHL 2K6 and MLB 2K6 I would always buy both EA's and VC's products. In the last year EA's products have felt better gameplay wise to me so I decided I wasn't buying both anymore. But you won't see me posting on the 2K boards about a game that I have no intentions on purchasing. I don't expect the mechanics of of those games to change from previous years so why complain about the company if I already know they are going to have something in the game that's always been there in the past few years.

I agree about the next gen comment. People seem to think a new console and so called new engine makes a new game. Take Live for example, it has apparantly (according to EA themselves in previews or even on the back cover of the game box) gone through 2 or 3 totally re-done from the ground up, graphics engines. Which is crap, considering the models have barely changed and the sliding that began in Genesis Live 95 (!) still exists.

So Live 360 will probably have sliding other trademarks, the same way I see 2K 360 having a lot of their stuff still remaining.

BUT... games can still improve around that stuff, so it's worth trying each title. Because I would have never thought Live 2006 would be as good as it is after 5 days playing. Heck, I never considering buying it, only picking it up because it came out so early along with the fact that Xbox 360 will be out where I live in about March next year. And yet I am surprised how little touches have really improved the game and how a good game in general (for once in Live) has made me overlook the sliding and other negatives and allowed me to enjoy it.

[blueduke]

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The skating never bothered me at all. What always irked me was the camera angles along with an arcadeish feel the game had. Sliders worked very well in this game---as a matter of fact I think they work better in live than any other sports game in EA's lineup, but at some point during a game it seems like the cpu would say "this guy is going to score no matter how good your D is" and it wasn't the superstars either. The "comeback code" whether real or imagined seemed to happen to me alot as well. As in all of EA's sports products the presentation is top notch though.

[Playmakers]

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I agree about the next gen comment. People seem to think a new console and so called new engine makes a new game. Take Live for example, it has apparantly (according to EA themselves in previews or even on the back cover of the game box) gone through 2 or 3 totally re-done from the ground up, graphics engines. Which is crap, considering the models have barely changed and the sliding that began in Genesis Live 95 (!) still exists.

So Live 360 will probably have sliding other trademarks, the same way I see 2K 360 having a lot of their stuff still remaining.

BUT... games can still improve around that stuff, so it's worth trying each title. Because I would have never thought Live 2006 would be as good as it is after 5 days playing. Heck, I never considering buying it, only picking it up because it came out so early along with the fact that Xbox 360 will be out where I live in about March next year. And yet I am surprised how little touches have really improved the game and how a good game in general (for once in Live) has made me overlook the sliding and other negatives and allowed me to enjoy it.

I read most of your reply's in this thread and I can say you are the type poster that atleast provides very good feedback regardless of which company makes the games.

Some guy's they just come on here to post non-sense to stir up contraversy. It's as if they have an agenda or something. I played 2K5's basketball game last year and didn't really like it after about 2-3 weeks. But I gurantee if you go look over at the 2K boards you won't find any post by me bashing the game for things that I already knew was going to be there simply because it's always been there in 2K's basketball game.

In fact I don't even post comments about games that I'm not even playing or purchasing. Some of these guy's post about the game yet they haven't even played the game. That annoys the hell out of me. Then you have clowns acting like a game a game at DEFAULT level is how the game will always play. I have yet to see a sports game that hasn't needed sliders to improve it overall. I don't care what company made the game I have yet to come accross a single title that doesn't require gameplay tweaks. The only game that I've ever witnessed coming close is MVP Baseball right out the box. All other games have needed extensive slider tweaks.

So, for anyone to come onto these boards and suggest any game is a pure SIM they are only fooling themselves. If you had to touch one single slider in that game that means obviously you found something wrong with the gameplay right out the box that wasn't actaully realistic at it's current setting. Either that or you just sucked and wanted to stop the CPU from beating your azz.

[Admiral50]

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I read most of your reply's in this thread and I can say you are the type poster that atleast provides very good feedback regardless of which company makes the games.

Some guy's they just come on here to post non-sense to stir up contraversy. It's as if they have an agenda or something. I played 2K5's basketball game last year and didn't really like it after about 2-3 weeks. But I gurantee if you go look over at the 2K boards you won't find any post by me bashing the game for things that I already was going to be their simply because it's always been there in 2K's basketball game.

In fact I don't even post comments about games that I'm not even playing or purchasing. Some of these guy's post about the game yet they haven't even played the game. That annoys the hell out of me. Then you have clowns acting like a game a game at DEFAULT level is how the game will always play. I have yet to see a sports game that hasn't needed sliders to improve it overall. I don't care what company made the game I have yet to come accross a single title that doesn't require gameplay tweaks. The only game that I've ever witnessed coming close is MVP Baseball right out the box. All other games have needed extensive slider tweaks.

So, for anyone to come onto these boards and suggest any game is a pure SIM they are only fooling themselves. If you had to touch one single slider in that game that means obviously you found something wrong with the gameplay right out the box that wasn't actaully realistic at it's current setting. Either that or you just sucked and wanted to stop the CPU from beating your azz.

Hmm not exactly

I do find positives in each game but when I find a negative I really can't overlook, I probably 'attack' too hard. I just get annoyed when I see one feature or animation for example at such high quality then see something not even resembling basketball or professionalism. I am a tough judge at times and do have to tone it down but feel if you don't go hard (with reasons and explanations), you may not be heard.

[bigeastbumrush]

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Exactly. A select group of the posters here have been through this process of judging and dissecting new B-Ball titles for 2 or 3 years now...and we all know each others tastes, agendas, and preferences. This community's opinion is much more important to me than a hundred mainstream reviews.

They do make for funny reading though....

Heh...verbatim.

Playmakers...save your breath and your keystrokes.
Guys like you and Pared, Jistic and all the other slider specialists are one of the reasons why OS is so large. It's the reason why I joined back in the 2K3 days. Keep making these games fun for us all and don't even bother defending yourself. I for one look forward to your upcoming set.

[Court_vision]

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Key word = 'seen'

Play the game and you'll see it's the most realistic Live has been for a long time. It's more realistic than the previous few 2K's also. I've had the game for 5 days now...

That's the key...5 days.

After an hour of this game I thought it was pretty much 2005 with a few gimmicks...

Two hours and I thought it was worth playing a bit more...

A few days and I really like it.

With the game pace down / sliders / getting used to the play calling...I am loving it. It's extremely realistic and reminds me a lot of ID but with a better NBA 'feel' (ID had non stop off the ball movement and no atmosphere...)

Everyone here knows how much i loved Inside Drive...but I hated that game after the first day I ever played it.

It took time.

This version of LIVE06 is a very, very good game of basketball IMO if people give it time.

Most will dismiss it as not much different to other LIVE's though and that's a shame...

Do agree guys should wait for LIVE on XB360 if they can though...on a better engine / no sliding...better camera's hopefully...the game would be sensational.

[Court_vision]

Re: IGN Review......9.0

Being a huge 2K player (over Live) for the last few years, I'll tell you that it NEEDED tweaking (to zero basically) of the steal AND block sliders out of the box. Geez, the exact quote from the new Live review from IGN could be applied to 2K5. Except anyone, no matter what their rating, could get 20 steals and 10 blocks a game. Yet unlike Live 2006 (which I've had for almost a week and can confirm that after spending a massive 20 seconds to change the sliders) the 2K5 sliders in those area's did almost nothing.

And to 2K fans who attack Live on it's sliding (I was one of them doing the attacking in the past) - well you now have floating. The animations (started in 2K5) in the 2K6 video's again have a floaty look. They players' feet are not touching the ground (could be confirmed by looking at close replays in 2K5) and the ball doesn't seem to hit the ground when it's bounced. So if Live is ice hockey then 2K is walking on the moon.

Oh and hyperfast speed? Out of the box, Live 06 is much better. The pace is very good and may only need a slight tweak.

I'm not going to say quit the bashing because I know I was like that at a stage with Live, but I will say that fully giving each game some time (I will try 2K6) is worthwhile. Playing 3 full games (8 min qtrs) of Live last night was amazing. Awesome fast breaks (by me and the cpu), guys sprinting off screens for jumpers, attacking the basket (maybe a little too much) all done with the most (by FAR) and the best (by even FARTHER) animations ever in a basketball game.

Absolutely. 100%. Agree.

It's not even worth bothering with reviews anymore...as most the issues they mention are fixed with sliders.

Steals and ORB probs are gone now after slider fixes.

I didn't like the game pace...as I told...now I love it at 36.

Took about 10 mins to do

[23]

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Do agree guys should wait for LIVE on XB360 if they can though...on a better engine / no sliding...better camera's hopefully...the game would be sensational.

That's my case. I'll just get the 360 version.

[Court_vision]

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That's my case. I'll just get the 360 version.

Probably a smart thing to do. You'll have 2K6 to keep you busy until the XB360 hits.

I made a decision about two weeks ago to get one game only and wait until the XB360 came out.

Then I decided to try and just wait for both games on XB360.

Then i got LIVE and that logic was blown apart...and i'll likely get 2K6 also...then back up and get them both again on XB360.

What can I say? Some people are addicted to crack...so this addiction is comparatively mild