IGN Review......9.0

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Re: IGN Review......9.0

crack on a disc CV...lol, This is a great year for us, truly

I understand what you mean though man. To finally get some decent bball games is a dream.

[Court_vision]

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crack on a disc CV...lol, This is a great year for us, truly

I understand what you mean though man. To finally get some decent bball games is a dream.

Absolutely bro. The last few years have been so frustrating.

I played a full season of NBA 2K2 and ID03 and, since then, it's been a series of flawed games...

ID04 was great...but had no atmosphere at all...

LIVE 04 and 05 showed great potential...but had huge flaws like no offensive rebounds, no fast breaks and all teams playing the same. Things I couldn't ignore.

2K4 was just a disaster.

2k5 was a huge improvement...but way too many bugs and flaws to play a season with.

Here we are up to 2006 and LIVE is season worthy IMO.

2K6 looks potentially even better...

And then the next gen games will be out in 2 months...good times

[blackceasar]

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It is? I dont underestimate the average fan as much as you. If the average fan feels that there are too many steals, I think he would see AI sliders and make a change. The average fan may not be a slider freak like most people on OS but they know they are there.

My point is you dont have a slider section in a review...just a sentence saying "even after slider tweaks there were still too many steals" or " after moving the sliders the excessive steals went away".

I dont think the "average fan" as we know it is ignorant of the sliders..so I agree with you there. BUT... from working in the marketing world, I can tell you from observing EA with thier games... including madde, tiger woods, hockey, and nascar thier target audience IS someone who wont touch sliders or doesnt even know whats up with sliders.. The non-slider fan might not be the "average" fan, but they are marketing right to the non-slider fan. I still think EA is a lazy company. I used to think it just based off recyceld game engines and presentation...but its getting to the point now where you dont even have to look as far as the graphics engine and presentaiton..they are getting lazy on the gameplay dept now..... and thats just downright horrible.

[blackceasar]

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Heh...verbatim.

Playmakers...save your breath and your keystrokes.
Guys like you and Pared, Jistic and all the other slider specialists are one of the reasons why OS is so large. It's the reason why I joined back in the 2K3 days. Keep making these games fun for us all and don't even bother defending yourself. I for one look forward to your upcoming set.

I wonder if when the people at EA meet up in the board room and discuss how they are going to tackler thier next football, basketball, or baseball games they say "Remember folks, we have to factor Pared and Jistic in.. Suzie, go out to Operationsports.com and see if Pared and Justic are still doing slider stuff, if so report it back to me so I can tell the team we can slack off on our games this year" LOL!

Could you really imagine someone at EA saying something like that? Saying "Hey we can take it easy guys, Pared is still doing the slider thing" lol

[blackceasar]

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That's the key...5 days.

After an hour of this game I thought it was pretty much 2005 with a few gimmicks...

Two hours and I thought it was worth playing a bit more...

A few days and I really like it.

With the game pace down / sliders / getting used to the play calling...I am loving it. It's extremely realistic and reminds me a lot of ID but with a better NBA 'feel' (ID had non stop off the ball movement and no atmosphere...)

Everyone here knows how much i loved Inside Drive...but I hated that game after the first day I ever played it.

It took time.

This version of LIVE06 is a very, very good game of basketball IMO if people give it time.

Most will dismiss it as not much different to other LIVE's though and that's a shame...

Do agree guys should wait for LIVE on XB360 if they can though...on a better engine / no sliding...better camera's hopefully...the game would be sensational.

PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE tell me that the cameras have changed for live. Thier cameras have been pretty bad. Thier so called attempt at a broacast cam (called pressbox) almost looks like the 3/4 overhead old school Coach K view. lol

[Court_vision]

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PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE tell me that the cameras have changed for live. Thier cameras have been pretty bad. Thier so called attempt at a broacast cam (called pressbox) almost looks like the 3/4 overhead old school Coach K view. lol

Camera's are the same as lasy year...

There's no other way to put it...the camera's absolutely suck.

I use press...which is only just playable.

The others aren't.

They are even worse this year because there are play sets...and you can't even really see the plays on anything except press.

This game would have benefited so much from a broadcast cam...

[koolbubbaice]

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I understand that perfect. I'm not saying they had to tweak sliders. I was just pointing out that from what he wrote that Sliders would solve all those problems for me personally. I understand EA's game and how it is setup to play at DEFAULT level so I'm not upset that the guy did his job without touching sliders. You are correct he shouldn't have to touch anything to post his review.

Now as for me when it comes to Live I go hard at it with sliders so I already know what to expect straight out the box with the game. I give my impressions after tweaking sliders.

Thank you.. By the way, I'm very pro slider.. I always play with them, cause sports games out of the box are screwed up in my opinion..

Now to the Admeral.. You claim sliders in 2k5 didn't work.. I had the slider for blocks in live 05 to 0, & still had WAY too many blocks..(Both me & the AI) I had to manually edit the players blocking ratings to get an accurate amount.. & it's a fact there is sliding in NBA live.. This is the first time I heard about this floating biz.. I played over 100 2k5 games & never noticed it.. On Live I noticed the sliding right away.. I think you are just upset that ppl are bringing up that negative, so you start claiming 2k5 has floating to counteract the Live sliding issue..

[Furq]

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the thing about sliders as noted is they dont apply for online games, so its actually a huge deal when theres a gameplay feature thats overdone.

[Admiral50]

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Thank you.. By the way, I'm very pro slider.. I always play with them, cause sports games out of the box are screwed up in my opinion..

Now to the Admeral.. You claim sliders in 2k5 didn't work.. I had the slider for blocks in live 05 to 0, & still had WAY too many blocks..(Both me & the AI) I had to manually edit the players blocking ratings to get an accurate amount.. & it's a fact there is sliding in NBA live.. This is the first time I heard about this floating biz.. I played over 100 2k5 games & never noticed it.. On Live I noticed the sliding right away.. I think you are just upset that ppl are bringing up that negative, so you start claiming 2k5 has floating to counteract the Live sliding issue..

I never mentioned blocks nor did I mention Live 2005 (a game I rated way below 2K5).
I said that sliders in my 6 day old copy of Live 2006 totally fix the steals and deflections issue.

I am bringing up 2K's floating simply because those mentioning the sliding are refusing to admit 2K in the last 1 or 2 versions and the 2K6 video's has started to have floaty animations. If you or anyone else doesn't see it, then fine, I am not worrying either way.

[Vast]

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The sad part is he's going to show up in a slider thread over at 2K forums using someone else's sliders to make 2K's gameplay better. Yet, he'll act as if it's a crime to play Live with adjusted sliders.

I am not a 2k fanboy(not yet at least). That said i've been playing basketball games since the early 90's so i grew up on Lakers vs Celtics then into NBA Live and i ate those games up. But Live back in 95 introduced the sliding and i didn't like it back then. I've tried all basketball games since live came out and 2k was the first game that broke the mold, eliminated sliding introduced real substitution patterns. Where you dont HAVE to call a timeout just to sub in a player......

to make a long story short i began getting annoyed with 2k after 2k3 and bought live 2004 and hated the arcade like gameplay and the sliding was back, which was and still is unacceptable. I planned on buying Live this year but found out the sliding is still in and 2k6 is looking amazing. So im not knocking people who use sliders im glad they are in there. But you were defending the game like you made it so that is why i wrote what i wrote.

[Vast]

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I never mentioned blocks nor did I mention Live 2005 (a game I rated way below 2K5).
I said that sliders in my 6 day old copy of Live 2006 totally fix the steals and deflections issue.

I am bringing up 2K's floating simply because those mentioning the sliding are refusing to admit 2K in the last 1 or 2 versions and the 2K6 video's has started to have floaty animations. If you or anyone else doesn't see it, then fine, I am not worrying either way.

Floating??? wait i think i ............... Nope dont see it. Why are u looking for something that is not there. I dont see you complaining about Lives basketball being too big and cartoonish. Or the unrealistic Net animations. None of those things affect gameplay.. sliding affects gameplay.

[Admiral50]

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Actually I have complained about big heads (still there in 2006, slightly less noticeable in gameplay views) and ripped the net animations and texture apart.

2K floating...
-players taking off for layups flat footed creates a floaty look, especially when they don't set their feet back on the ground before taking off.
-ball physics (sorry, they don't deserve to be called physics) are floaty and like a vacuum on the dribble moves, sucking from one position or one hand to another.
-the funny looking automatic between the legs dribble (done by every player from PG to C) looks like the players feet are not touching the ground
-the ball and players feet in certain moves don't look to be on the ground
-the whole look of the game in motion doesn't seem like Earth's gravity.
-dunks... need I say more.

But hey, I am not saying Live is any better with it's sliding but both games have bad points.

While on the Live sliding thing, please give me at least two examples (naming animations/situations) where the sliding affects/is at it's worst. I hated it over the years but would like to know where other's do...

-edit...Geez, are you talking about SLIDING/SKATING? Or using sliders? LMAO!

[Vince]

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What Admiral is trying to say is that 2k fanboys are always trying to deliberatly find something negative about EA's games, yet they never look at the 2k game to find any negatives. When they do, they just sweep them under the rug.

[donkey33]

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I thought someone brought up the floating issue back when 2k3 was around.

I think back then it was to do with the dunks and it's still there now. Sliding is there so both games have something.

What Admiral is trying to say is that 2k fanboys are always trying to deliberatly find something negative about EA's games, yet they never look at the 2k game to find any negatives. When they do, they just sweep them under the rug.

Well said.

[spankdatazz22]

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While on the Live sliding thing, please give me at least two examples (naming animations/situations) where the sliding affects/is at it's worst. I hated it over the years but would like to know where other's do...

-edit...Geez, are you talking about SLIDING/SKATING? Or using sliders? LMAO!

Personally, the thing that gets me with the skating is how players handle the ball in general. I went back and looked at one of the OS Live vids. Guess it's not fair because it was CPU v. CPU, but it does look weird when you see a PG dribbling left, then just slide right or vice versa - I don't know, it's kinda hard to explain. I'd just like to see both games judged fairly - because right now, it seems people are overjoyed that Live is "fun", while I hear complaints with 2K on the level of "In real life Jason Kidd would've moved 1.3 ft closer to the basket in that situation at that time of the game". Like there are different expectations of both games.