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  • LingeringRegime
    Hall Of Fame
    • Jun 2007
    • 17089

    #121
    Re: Why Do You People like this Game?

    Originally posted by sportyguyfl31
    Now that I have my rational mind back, I'll post some reasons.

    1). I feel like I am in 100% control of the my player at all times on offense and defense.

    -- I never feel like there is a delay in movements, or an unresponsiveness when I want to pull off a move. If I want to jab step, dribble left, and cross over behind the back, I know if I move the sticks in the proper direction, the player will always perform the move. ..which leads me to..

    2). I cant beat someone off of the dribble with these moves, with say, Chris Duhon..as easily as I can with Kobe Bryant.

    --in 2k...I can do a behind the back, dribble to a crossover with steve novak, and I can either beat Gerald Wallace off of the dribble, or sliver my way into the paint until I can get a layup or drop the ball off to someone. Yet I can see Emeka Oakafor, lock up Tracy McGrady on a isolation the next trip down the court.

    In Live, in my dynasty...I had a game against The Jazz where Jamal Crawford was just ripping Kyle Korver. Korver couldnt handle him off of the dribble at all. He went off for 30.

    A few games later, I was playing the Lakers. Totally different. Kobe wasnt playing that, and most of Craw's pts came off of long jumpers. He only had 15 pts that game and they were a hard 15.

    3) Floor spacing, which allows for drive and kick basketball.

    --When do you most often see uncontested jumpers in a NBA game? Either on A) a scramble for a loose ball,B) off a long rebound, C) in transition, or D) off of dribble penetration.

    Neither game does A or B well, C is more possible in 2k, though i have seen it better in Live post patch. Live absolutely, positively nails D. In 2k, this doesnt exist. Live's floor spacing is terrific and makes the court feel much less cluttered.

    Steve Nash DESTROYED me on drive and kick, as well as pick and roll in a dynasty game. He would beat me, my defense would collapse to help, which would free up Raja Bell or Barbosa on the wings to clip me. When I tried to play Nash straight, he pulled up or layed up. he had 35, and 12.

    4) Marv and Steve

    --I love those 2. It feels like they are calling a real game. IT's like EA put them in a room, fired up a bunch of CPU vs CPU games, and said, "just call the action like you are doing a broadcast"

    Kerr sometimes makes me laugh out loud, and Marv is well, Marv.

    5) NBA Live tries to replicate the feel of being in a NBA arena. 2k tries to replicate the feel of a TNT NBA telecast.

    --2k does this exceptionally well, I just prefer the NBA Arena "feel" better. There's a wonderful eb and flow to the crowd.

    They start our rather subdued, and they respond with the flow of the game. As the game grows in intensity, so do they. If you have yourself a close game deep into the fourth, they have built into a roar. You'll be hearing chants of "MVP! MVP! MVP!" when a star gets on a roll, you'll hear the "DEFENSE!" chants, you'll hear the "Lets go Knicks" or "Lets go Lakers!"

    The commentary will change and as well. Its a subtle thing, but it is there. Steve and Marv's voice will get a little more intense. He'll say something like: "And after being down by as many as <FILL blank the in>..they have cut the lead down to 5." and the crowd will respond. Kerr will say something like, "this is why you keep playing, the NBA game is a long game..etc et.."

    It really draws you in.

    6) The flow of the CPU game, its strategy and AI is better.

    -This is the most underrated aspect of NBA Live in my opinion. The dirty little secret: its more sim then 2k in this department.

    I was playing the memphis grizzlies and the minnesota t-wolves in dynasty and I saw both teams switch up to a zone defense for a few posessions. This is EXACTLY what they do in reality.

    A) I had a game where Jamal Crawford had a 20 pt half..the cpu said, "enough of that." First play I ran called for him to come off a off ball screen: They trapped him off of the screen immediately. They did this for the entire half and he ended the game with only 26 pts.

    B) I played the Sacramento Kings, and I assigned a double team right off the bat to Kevin Martin. for a lot of the 1st half, MArtin was getting trapped, throwing up forced jumpers, and guys like Mikki Moore, Beno Udrih, and John Salmons were taking all of the shots. "perfect" I saw.

    The Cpu adjusted. Martin starting shooting right off the catch more, the CPU put him in spots where it took the double longer to get there, it had him cut to the basket. IT didnt just sit back and allow him to get trapped all game.

    C) My last game against The Lakers: The CPU was establishing Gasol early. In fact, he was taking the majority of the shots, and Kobe was only getting a little here and there.

    Since they were pounding the ball inside to gasol, I played zone for a while, and quickly had to get out of it as Kobe and Odom would cut to the basket, spot up for jumpers, and I got beat by a 3 or to by vlad.

    Kobe then put on his assasin cape in the 4th and scored 10 pts int he quarter, despite my double team. He got some pts on the break, on catch and shoots, and had an absurd move where he split my double for a dunk.

    He had a breakaway dunk where he did his signatuire hang on the rim and come off with his arms outstretched like a bird. It looked beautiful.

    7) The game doesnt feel forced.

    Again, I really believe NBA Live hs become the more sim game.


    Kobe and Gasol got their points within the flow of the game. No half court alley oops, no laser backdoor cuts, no jet pack fast breaks, where my entire team simply decided to let everyone release on the outlet, no crazy and 1 windmills.

    Everything felt natural and I never felt like I was cheated. N ot once. And I still lost...but I didnt mind, because I never felt like the cPU robbed me of the game.


    I know this is rather long, sorry , but these are the reasons why I really enjoy this game.

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    • DirtyJerz32
      All Star
      • Aug 2007
      • 7617

      #122
      Re: Why Do You People like this Game?

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      • SageInfinite
        Stop The GOAT Talk
        • Jul 2002
        • 11896

        #123
        Re: Why Do You People like this Game?

        Originally posted by DirtyJerz32
        This is probably the best thread that I have read since being a memeber of the OS family. Lots of information being given and with out immature post. Keep up the great work guys.

        To add my own comments:

        The overall feel of the game and the way it flows are great. I love the spacing, and ball movement from the cpu. Superstars hold on to the ball more than no stars.

        Live has done an outstand job with this years game. I think Czar said it best. 2K does a better job after a player gets the ball as far as moves at it's disposal and animations. Live does a great job of getting guys in the right spots.

        I've been going back between both games and I think one aspect of the game has me playing this more. Two words "Foot Planting!" There is sliding in both games but when I see TMac catch the ball on the wing give me a hard jab step in one direction and explode the other way it's a thing of beauty. When I attempt the same thing in 2K it's more a soft jab and electric slide the other way. I don't know any other way to explain it. JMHO.

        Keep this thread going guys because there is a ton of information in this thread. Yes, there are somethings that Live needs to work on next year but, IMO 2010 is going to one hell of a season for basketball video games!!!
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        • stephensonmc
          WW*/*FC C*mm*n*ty Mgr.
          • Mar 2003
          • 2105

          #124
          Re: Why Do You People like this Game?

          Originally posted by Sluggo
          To be honest, I quit playing Live last week. Can't start a real dynasty mode because some of the players on the roster aren't being updated. DNA, yes. Ratings, no. The shooting is iffy at best. Sometimes I go for a jumpshot and you can't control the release point. It's like as soon as I hit the shoot button, the shot leaves the player hands so it's no chance to release it at it's highest peak. The D controls are weak. You don't know how many times I get sucked into defending the ball handler when he's not the one I'm NOT trying to guard.
          Like someone else said, the coaching sliders are broken. They do nothing for me. The auto-sub is broken. I can also drop 50 points using Oberto in the post while Duncan goes 2/16.
          Just so you know Sluggo, as of Friday of last week, every player in the league has different ratings that are based on real life statistics. If your player isn't there yet, he will be through this automated process.
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          • ILLSmak
            MVP
            • Sep 2008
            • 2397

            #125
            Re: Why Do You People like this Game?

            That's the thing people don't realize about 2k. They DO have better animations.

            When people say a certain player plays like another player... they mean they have the ANIMATIONS of the player. However, the player's PERSONALITY is much better in Live. They might use the same crossovers or whatever but in Live they actually have personality and intelligence. I agree with what dude said about the game adjusting.

            I was playing ncaa09 and was just owning a team, but sooner or later they adjust. I mention that because it's the same engine.

            Lastly, 1-3-1 zone is the most amazing thing in Live. haha. Seriously.

            -Smak

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            • 23
              yellow
              • Sep 2002
              • 66469

              #126
              Re: Why Do You People like this Game?

              Agreed on that 1-3-1. I've used that alot against some teams when hunkering down in a comeback.

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              • Court_vision
                Banned
                • Oct 2002
                • 8290

                #127
                Re: Why Do You People like this Game?

                Foot planting.

                Real spacing.

                I'm going to use the 2K patch another day or so with some edits to see if it's makes a difference...so far I am not really impressed with 2K post patch to be brutally honest...

                In my little personal video game world, LIVE has 2K on the ropes and is clearly ahead on points going into the final two rounds.

                I'll say it again...

                Foot planting

                Real spacing

                It's hard to "go back" to a game without those things...

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                • dave374
                  Banned
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 1928

                  #128
                  Re: Why Do You People like this Game?

                  Originally posted by Court_vision
                  Foot planting.

                  Real spacing.

                  I'm going to use the 2K patch another day or so with some edits to see if it's makes a difference...so far I am not really impressed with 2K post patch to be brutally honest...

                  In my little personal video game world, LIVE has 2K on the ropes and is clearly ahead on points going into the final two rounds.

                  I'll say it again...

                  Foot planting

                  Real spacing

                  It's hard to "go back" to a game without those things...
                  Fun has it for me.

                  I play Live, I have fun.

                  I play 2k9, I want the pain to stop and I eject it and put Live back in.

                  2k9 is obviously solid and a depth filled game, but I just have a ton of fun playing Live and love seeing guys where they're supposed to be (aka Bosh - high post).

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                  • Da_Czar
                    NBA 2K Gameplay Producer, Offensive AI System - SIM NATION
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 5408

                    #129
                    Re: Why Do You People like this Game?

                    Originally posted by sportyguyfl31
                    Now that I have my rational mind back, I'll post some reasons.

                    1). I feel like I am in 100% control of the my player at all times on offense and defense.

                    -- I never feel like there is a delay in movements, or an unresponsiveness when I want to pull off a move. If I want to jab step, dribble left, and cross over behind the back, I know if I move the sticks in the proper direction, the player will always perform the move. ..which leads me to..

                    2). I cant beat someone off of the dribble with these moves, with say, Chris Duhon..as easily as I can with Kobe Bryant.

                    --in 2k...I can do a behind the back, dribble to a crossover with steve novak, and I can either beat Gerald Wallace off of the dribble, or sliver my way into the paint until I can get a layup or drop the ball off to someone. Yet I can see Emeka Oakafor, lock up Tracy McGrady on a isolation the next trip down the court.

                    In Live, in my dynasty...I had a game against The Jazz where Jamal Crawford was just ripping Kyle Korver. Korver couldnt handle him off of the dribble at all. He went off for 30.

                    A few games later, I was playing the Lakers. Totally different. Kobe wasnt playing that, and most of Craw's pts came off of long jumpers. He only had 15 pts that game and they were a hard 15.

                    3) Floor spacing, which allows for drive and kick basketball.

                    --When do you most often see uncontested jumpers in a NBA game? Either on A) a scramble for a loose ball,B) off a long rebound, C) in transition, or D) off of dribble penetration.

                    Neither game does A or B well, C is more possible in 2k, though i have seen it better in Live post patch. Live absolutely, positively nails D. In 2k, this doesnt exist. Live's floor spacing is terrific and makes the court feel much less cluttered.

                    Steve Nash DESTROYED me on drive and kick, as well as pick and roll in a dynasty game. He would beat me, my defense would collapse to help, which would free up Raja Bell or Barbosa on the wings to clip me. When I tried to play Nash straight, he pulled up or layed up. he had 35, and 12.

                    4) Marv and Steve

                    --I love those 2. It feels like they are calling a real game. IT's like EA put them in a room, fired up a bunch of CPU vs CPU games, and said, "just call the action like you are doing a broadcast"

                    Kerr sometimes makes me laugh out loud, and Marv is well, Marv.

                    5) NBA Live tries to replicate the feel of being in a NBA arena. 2k tries to replicate the feel of a TNT NBA telecast.

                    --2k does this exceptionally well, I just prefer the NBA Arena "feel" better. There's a wonderful eb and flow to the crowd.

                    They start our rather subdued, and they respond with the flow of the game. As the game grows in intensity, so do they. If you have yourself a close game deep into the fourth, they have built into a roar. You'll be hearing chants of "MVP! MVP! MVP!" when a star gets on a roll, you'll hear the "DEFENSE!" chants, you'll hear the "Lets go Knicks" or "Lets go Lakers!"

                    The commentary will change and as well. Its a subtle thing, but it is there. Steve and Marv's voice will get a little more intense. He'll say something like: "And after being down by as many as <FILL blank the in>..they have cut the lead down to 5." and the crowd will respond. Kerr will say something like, "this is why you keep playing, the NBA game is a long game..etc et.."

                    It really draws you in.

                    6) The flow of the CPU game, its strategy and AI is better.

                    -This is the most underrated aspect of NBA Live in my opinion. The dirty little secret: its more sim then 2k in this department.

                    I was playing the memphis grizzlies and the minnesota t-wolves in dynasty and I saw both teams switch up to a zone defense for a few posessions. This is EXACTLY what they do in reality.

                    A) I had a game where Jamal Crawford had a 20 pt half..the cpu said, "enough of that." First play I ran called for him to come off a off ball screen: They trapped him off of the screen immediately. They did this for the entire half and he ended the game with only 26 pts.

                    B) I played the Sacramento Kings, and I assigned a double team right off the bat to Kevin Martin. for a lot of the 1st half, MArtin was getting trapped, throwing up forced jumpers, and guys like Mikki Moore, Beno Udrih, and John Salmons were taking all of the shots. "perfect" I saw.

                    The Cpu adjusted. Martin starting shooting right off the catch more, the CPU put him in spots where it took the double longer to get there, it had him cut to the basket. IT didnt just sit back and allow him to get trapped all game.

                    C) My last game against The Lakers: The CPU was establishing Gasol early. In fact, he was taking the majority of the shots, and Kobe was only getting a little here and there.

                    Since they were pounding the ball inside to gasol, I played zone for a while, and quickly had to get out of it as Kobe and Odom would cut to the basket, spot up for jumpers, and I got beat by a 3 or to by vlad.

                    Kobe then put on his assasin cape in the 4th and scored 10 pts int he quarter, despite my double team. He got some pts on the break, on catch and shoots, and had an absurd move where he split my double for a dunk.

                    He had a breakaway dunk where he did his signatuire hang on the rim and come off with his arms outstretched like a bird. It looked beautiful.

                    7) The game doesnt feel forced.

                    Again, I really believe NBA Live hs become the more sim game.


                    Kobe and Gasol got their points within the flow of the game. No half court alley oops, no laser backdoor cuts, no jet pack fast breaks, where my entire team simply decided to let everyone release on the outlet, no crazy and 1 windmills.

                    Everything felt natural and I never felt like I was cheated. N ot once. And I still lost...but I didnt mind, because I never felt like the cPU robbed me of the game.


                    I know this is rather long, sorry , but these are the reasons why I really enjoy this game.
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                    • Da_Czar
                      NBA 2K Gameplay Producer, Offensive AI System - SIM NATION
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 5408

                      #130
                      Re: Why Do You People like this Game?

                      As we get into crunch time with the game. The things I loved I still love. The lack of animations though is starting to really become obvious. To me this is where Live has to take the next step. 2k for all its flaws if you can get into it they really make that game to be played until the wheels fall off.

                      I hope steph and the other live crew members understand that a minimal effort on the animation front in 2010 will kill a lot of the momentum they built up this year. IMHO... what say ye ????
                      Catch me on that #SimNation #SimHangOut Friday's @ 10:00 pm est https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...N7yxMiElOpMl_B

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                      • 23
                        yellow
                        • Sep 2002
                        • 66469

                        #131
                        Re: Why Do You People like this Game?

                        Originally posted by Da_Czar
                        As we get into crunch time with the game. The things I loved I still love. The lack of animations though is starting to really become obvious. To me this is where Live has to take the next step. 2k for all its flaws if you can get into it they really make that game to be played until the wheels fall off.

                        I hope steph and the other live crew members understand that a minimal effort on the animation front in 2010 will kill a lot of the momentum they built up this year. IMHO... what say ye ????
                        I think beluba won't disappoint same as 2k7 was > in animations to 2k6, done with less resources

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                        • GSW
                          Simnation
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 8041

                          #132
                          Re: Why Do You People like this Game?

                          Originally posted by stephensonmc
                          Just so you know Sluggo, as of Friday of last week, every player in the league has different ratings that are based on real life statistics. If your player isn't there yet, he will be through this automated process.
                          oh you put in playmakers ratings???!
                          #Simnation

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                          • stephensonmc
                            WW*/*FC C*mm*n*ty Mgr.
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 2105

                            #133
                            Re: Why Do You People like this Game?

                            Originally posted by 23
                            I think beluba won't disappoint same as 2k7 was > in animations to 2k6, done with less resources
                            Beluba knows this is key guys. Of all things, you shouldn't be worried about this.
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                            • sportyguyfl31
                              MVP
                              • Nov 2005
                              • 4745

                              #134
                              Re: Why Do You People like this Game?

                              Originally posted by Da_Czar
                              As we get into crunch time with the game. The things I loved I still love. The lack of animations though is starting to really become obvious. To me this is where Live has to take the next step. 2k for all its flaws if you can get into it they really make that game to be played until the wheels fall off.


                              This, I will give 2k all of the props until the cows come home. 2k's game animates beautifully.

                              Live's animations are much more basic, but from my point of view, they work and are controlled.

                              For all of 2k's beauty when it is in motion, I just cannot ignore all of the things that are going on under the hood that drive me crazy.

                              I forgave it in 2k8, and I just...cant...put up with it again this year. I tried, and I just cant do it. Especially when there is another alternative that I am really enjoying.
                              Last edited by sportyguyfl31; 12-04-2008, 12:42 PM.

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                              • 23
                                yellow
                                • Sep 2002
                                • 66469

                                #135
                                Re: Why Do You People like this Game?

                                Originally posted by stephensonmc
                                Beluba knows this is key guys. Of all things, you shouldn't be worried about this.
                                We know, but these guys won't be settled down until they see something

                                He has been awfully quiet though... almost Da_Czar like...lol

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