The patch - what's been confirmed?

[Court_vision]

Re: The patch - what's been confirmed?

Both games have major complaints about core gameplay in their respective forums. As far as THIS game goes, a lot of complaints have been answered with either "will be in the patch" or "sorry, that won't be in until next year". Once someone answers regarding an issue, why would you continue to complain?

I can't speak for anyone else, but when both the community and developers acknowledge that an aspect of a game is weak and needs to be worked on, I'm content to let it go. It's not like there is this groundswell of opposition claiming "the post game is great!" or "the defensive sliding doesn't happen!"

Live has issues, but it is largely a stable game, with recurring and predictable issues. Much of the discourse in here is either about those issues, or figuring out whether certain tendencies are user error or not, like the "scripted results" issue.

I see where you are coming from Born.

But you were mainly playing 2K9 last season, if I am right?

The LIVE community actually said all these things last year about NBA LIVE 09.

So...where I am coming from is that all this "the producers have acknowledged these problems" is actually something we all heard a year ago.

That's what I am saying..a lot of new players have jumped in and said "hey, LIVE 10 is pretty nice...a few flaws, but EA have said they will address them".

But that's exactly what was being said a year ago.

People are looking at this game from two persepctives at the moment.

1. New guys going "wow, nice game...a few flaws though".

and

2. Guys who have played the game for the past few years going "okay, nice upgrade...but how did nearly all the major bugs and flaws from Live 08 and 09 remain".

Different perspectives mean different levels of frustration. Anyone who's played the last 3 Live's will know that these bugs and flaws have been there for years now.

[Court_vision]

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I said it in the demo, and I'll agree again here: the read and react AI needs a TON of work in this game. There is little to no spontaneity in the Cpu attack, and they do not react to the entire court.

Welcome to LIVE 08...

And LIVE 09...

And LIVE 10...

That problem's been there for years Born.

[carnalnirvana]

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seriously CV one more time what do you want to see.

you sound like me on the fifa boards so i am trying to see if my edits can eliminate issues

are you on 360 maybe you could play with my sample edited rosters see if there is a difference, i know you want ea edits so you could run with updated official rosters but ...........

[Bornindamecca]

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I hear you, and the same exact thing could be said for both games in certain areas (who wants a laser pass into the paint? come on, who wants one!)

I don't have a blind faith that these things will get fixed in Live, but the two situations are slightly different. In any event, either they will address them, or they won't. Most likely, some things will be fixed while others will reappear next year, along with a bunch of new features that cause the same debate.

All I can say is that a lot of progress has been made in key areas, and if that progress continues into other areas, it will be worth playing. Right now, if fast breaks, foul calls, loose balls, auto post and defensive sliding are all addressed, I think I'll very much enjoy a year of this game without too many "WTF" moments.

I do not expect there to be an update to the spontaneous reactions of the CPU on either side of the ball, because this is a bankrupt area of the game in every facet. In any sports game, there is "acceptable flaw". Live can move that particular area into acceptable flaw for me if they fix those other issues. By contrast, the lack of foul calls would be "unacceptable flaw" over a year of play.

Believe me, I understand how after years of seeing something, you can move it from "acceptable" to "unacceptable".

[Court_vision]

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This went from what's been confirmed in the patch to a complaint thread. .

No...no 'complaint' thread bro. Honestly

This is a "okay, honeymoon phase is over...let's raise the bar" thread / let's judge the game with the same standard we judge the other one.

I'll be more than happy if it ends up being a "Court_Vision" eats humble pie thread...EA came out with a killer patch and stuffed it right down his throat.

If Marcus and Beluba produce a patch that screams STFU C_V...that will be nice. Trust me.

I am enjoying the game and really looking forward to the new season of DNA kicking in and the whole Dynamic Season thing. But I do hope they address the issues that have been there for several seasons now.

[Court_vision]

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seriously CV one more time what do you want to see.

.......

I am on the PS3...but thanks anyway

As per your question:

- Fastbreak cpu logic improved
- Rebounding cpu logic improved (a small, basic thing like kicking the ball back out...surely that's not too much to ask for?)
- CPU players not running out of bounds off set plays.

Those things will do me...I am pretty much able to overlook stuff like the cpu shooting from behind the backboard, morphing and other issues. It's a video game and stuff happens.

But I do hope they address those basic basketball findamentals...rebounding and fastbreaks particularly.

And, as I said, the EA guys were here for LIVE 09...and they did say "next year fellas". So, here we are next year...and I'd like to see those things fixed.

I'll be annoyed if we hear "next year fellas" for the second straight year...but it won't be the end of the world. I am pretty content with the other game this season, but I'd love for LIVE to be fixed up 'enough' to play through a dynamic season as it looks like it's going to be a hell of good feature.

[Pappy Knuckles]

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A lot of you guys sound like a broken record in this Live forum. It's like you regurgitate the same complaints everyday. I respect constructive criticism and trying to help improve the series, but eventually it starts sounding more like a bitchfest than anything else. Madden, Fight Night, and Live are games that I've enjoyed a lot this year, and they all have issues. I could sit around crying about its imperfections on a daily basis or I can just play the game. I chose the latter.

I look forward to the patch improving a game that I already enjoy in it's current state. Some of the stuff that I'd like to see included is already being addressed. However, does anyone have any confirmation on any of this:

- Players running out of bounds. If it was just a foot on the line it would be one thing, but there are too many intances where guys are damn near sitting on the bench.

- Big men getting stripped underneath the basket after a rebound. I've learned to get around this by going back up or kicking it out right away. I don't want them to remove this completely, but I'd like to see it toned down a touch.

[Court_vision]

Re: The patch - what's been confirmed?

A lot of you guys sound like a broken record in this Live forum. It's like you regurgitate the same complaints everyday. I respect constructive criticism and trying to help improve the series, but eventually it starts sounding more like a bitchfest than anything else. Madden, Fight Night, and Live are games that I've enjoyed a lot this year, and they all have issues. I could sit around crying about its imperfections on a daily basis or I can just play the game. I chose the latter.

I look forward to the patch improving a game that I already enjoy in it's current state. Some of the stuff that I'd like to see included is already being addressed. However, does anyone have any confirmation on any of this:

- Players running out of bounds. If it was just a foot on the line it would be one thing, but there are too many intances where guys are damn near sitting on the bench.

- Big men getting stripped underneath the basket after a rebound. I've learned to get around this by going back up or kicking it out right away. I don't want them to remove this completely, but I'd like to see it toned down a touch.

I don't think this thread has been a 'bitchfest' at all. It's actually been pretty well constructed to date...

[EZ Snappin]

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I can't say what's in there for code, but I would swear Wallace kicked it out to Rip for a fifteen footer against me last night. I've edited agility & vertical, but that shouldn't change anything in regards to whether they shoot or not. I'll keep an eye out for it and up a video if it happens again; it doesn't happen often enough, regardless, which is the real issue.

Well, played four more games w/nary a pass out, including once when there were two defenders between the rebounder and the basket (how he got the ball is a different issue); he tried to go up with it and got stuffed by me. So I think my "clear path" theory is shot.

I did see one long rebound along the baseline that was kicked out to an open man for a three-pointer; however, that is the long rebound from a corner shot that none of the defensive players react to - they just turn toward it and hope it goes out of bounds while the offense runs to grab it.

I still swear I saw Wallace kick it out, but I can't seem to replicate it. I'm wondering if it might have been a quick steal instead of an offensive board, though why that would trigger different behavior I'm not sure. If they're coded by dna to shoot close shots, it shouldn't matter how they acquire the ball in a close position.

[Bootzilla]

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I must be doing something wrong because the cpu fastbreaks against me. Heck, I learned how to fastbreak by watching what the cpu does to me. Maybe I need to look and see how many points teams are averaging in fastbreak points. I may be way off. I don't know. But, go to the bucket with your point guard and miss or have a collision no call or fall down and watch the cpu push the ball up and take advantage. Maybe if i don't try to switch to a man to try to protect the basket the cpu wouldn't attempt to get it to rim but right now if i miss a long shot from the corner or take it the basket and miss especially with contact the cpu will break. Hmm. And don't get frantic and start taking quick shots. They'll have a shot up in 3 seconds.

[Aleman]

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This is a minor thing but I think free throws should be made easier by default. I've played 6 ranked games online so far and everyone used the auto free throws since they're too hard to make on your own.

I think the free throw bar is slightly laggy. My TV is a brand new, high end Samsung plasma and I'm playing with game mode on so I don't think input lag is the source of the problem.

The biggest things I want fixed (in general but particularly for ranked online play) are:

- CPU teammates not going for loose balls that are right in front of them
- Getting stripped right away after an offensive rebound
- Big men not taking it up strong under the hoop. If you get the ball to your big man on the block and he has a wide open lane to the hoop, he should never take a jumper. And when the lane is crowded, your big men should take it up strong instead of goofy, acrobatic hooks.
- Directional passing needs a smart filter or something so that it will preferentially pass to the guy that's wide open under the hoop instead of the guy that's behind him, cross-court.
- Icon passing and off-ball controls should be separated. Seems like every other time I try to icon pass I end up switching to the guy instead. Very frustrating, especially when the clock is running down. (Maybe you can change this in the settings?)
- Fastbreaks. It seems like even if you do get one, the D always catches up.
- Help defense. It's pretty much non-existent so I always play as my center on D so I can help on drives.
- Contested lay-ups. More defensive fouls should be called on in-air collisions.
- Contestable arcade dunks. I swear it's impossible to contest a D Wade windmill, for example.
- No pump fakes or drawn out shot animations (that might take you across the 3 point line!) when the clock is under like 2 seconds. I think 2K10 has this.

But overall I'm very happy with the game. It's the first bball game I've played since 2k7 and these issues have been pretty common in every bball game so I'm not too concerned.

[chadskee]

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Two things I can't stand are...

Offensive rebounds always being put back up and are almost impossible to block.

Passing to a player making a cut and having him stop to receive the pass and even worse when that player is far out of bounds when he receives the pass.

[navyboy09]

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I don't mean to come across as harsh mate...I am posting this with a smile on my face and drinking a nice coffee on a beautiful day, so all is good

But...facts are facts and IMO people have gone very, very lightly on this game this year.

The other game is getting torn apart for every.small.detail.that is missing.

Meanwhile, it's like a love fest over here...

I put the game in and see the CPU step out of bounds often, poor rebounding, very little fastbreak awareness, defensive sliding, CPU players shooting into the backboards...and ALL those things were in my copies of LIVE 08, LIVE 09 and now LIVE 10.

I mean, after three seasons...I (***cough***) kind of expected some of those things to be fixed.

I've got a lot of time for Beluba and have supported his stuff since Inside Drive...and Marcus has been very helpful...

But just because those fellas are here and helping...I don't know, it's like everyone is going soft on the game because they don't want to "offend" them IMO.

At the end of the day this is a forum and issues are supposed to discussed, whether they are ones people want to hear or not.

And, as someone who has paid full $ for Live 06...Live 07...Live 08...Live 09 and Live 10...I am kind of dissapointed that a lot of the bugs and flaws dating back five releases are still there.

Some are actually much worse...the CPU players run out of bounds far more often this season + the sliding was far less in LIVE 09. I call a play and my cpu team mate waits for me to pass him the ball with both his feet out of bounds to catch the ball. Live 09 had way less of that.

Again, many aspects have been improved...but I do think it's time the EA fellas produced something legit that fixes all the ongoing issues. Hopefully they shut me up with a killer patch.

I see where you are coming from Born.

But you were mainly playing 2K9 last season, if I am right?

The LIVE community actually said all these things last year about NBA LIVE 09.

So...where I am coming from is that all this "the producers have acknowledged these problems" is actually something we all heard a year ago.

That's what I am saying..a lot of new players have jumped in and said "hey, LIVE 10 is pretty nice...a few flaws, but EA have said they will address them".

But that's exactly what was being said a year ago.

People are looking at this game from two persepctives at the moment.

1. New guys going "wow, nice game...a few flaws though".

and

2. Guys who have played the game for the past few years going "okay, nice upgrade...but how did nearly all the major bugs and flaws from Live 08 and 09 remain".

Different perspectives mean different levels of frustration. Anyone who's played the last 3 Live's will know that these bugs and flaws have been there for years now.

Agreed 100% w/ everything you said....I think we are on the same page...atleast somebody feels the same way i do.

I try not to post negative stuff b/c when i did i got infractions or warned but it's refreshing to hear somebody else feel the same way.

[FlyRice]

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This is a minor thing but I think free throws should be made easier by default. I've played 6 ranked games online so far and everyone used the auto free throws since they're too hard to make on your own.

I think the free throw bar is slightly laggy. My TV is a brand new, high end Samsung plasma and I'm playing with game mode on so I don't think input lag is the source of the problem.

I've noticed that there is always lag on the first shot during FTs online. You have to release the button slightly early before the meter reaches the green area. On the second FT attempt, this lag seems to go away and you should be able to release the button normally. Bug or intentional? Who knows...

[oOausarOo]

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If they successfully patch the issues they plan on addressing it will go a long way. There are other issues out there, but I'd classify them as more annoying than gamebreaking.

I am a new guy though. I haven't purchased NBA Live since '05.