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  • kumamae_33
    Rookie
    • Oct 2009
    • 90

    #16
    Re: Your final thoughts on LIVE 10?

    For me... Live is back!!! The game is fun and I can say it's a SIM bball game now.


    But it needs to improve its presentation, commentary, player movements, skin texture of the players, DEFENSE, & add thousands of new animations.

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    • Vechi8
      Redskins big 3
      • Feb 2009
      • 353

      #17
      Re: Your final thoughts on LIVE 10?

      After having played ncaa10, live's post game is awesome

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      • carnalnirvana
        Pro
        • Jan 2007
        • 1981

        #18
        Re: Your final thoughts on LIVE 10?

        Originally posted by 23
        make me laugh, lol

        dribbling, the bigs are not athletic enough and it seems the game sees their 10 in this rating and calculate they will lose the ball and lets them shoot and since the post animation simulates them being guarded they do a fade away... give them 70+ and they try harder to get to the hoop with their back to the basket a big man with 70 dribble, thats a laugh but its whats works..

        the ratings and the system of rating players is a good idea but i dont believe it is tested enough and fully expressed in the package we get...

        a few weeks back Kobe had a 41% post up dna but when you lookmat bryant's ratings he had a 72 off post rating, 57 post footwork something in this range, now he has a 55 post strength THATS spot on because he is not a banger BUT cmon a 72 for post versatility is BAD imo.

        also this game thinks you use a euro step if you cant dribble but need to get to the hoop,

        i am putting together a highlight vid of moves the cpu did off the post with the edits but as you can guess varied footage is extremely RARE. i feel like i am stalking some rare bird in the amazon.
        NOW PLAYING: NBA Live, madden 11,12, battlefield v, F1 2020 and injustice 2 and COD:MW

        #18 greatest EVA....

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        • Chief00
          Banned
          • Jan 2010
          • 9

          #19
          Re: Your final thoughts on LIVE 10?

          I hear the original poster. This gen has been frustrating. I've been going back and forth between both games. I just would like a game that plays realistically and right out of the box. The more I play both games, the more Live is getting traded in soon. It's a fun game don't get me wrong but after playing both games head to head for quite some time Live is still a pick up and play arcade game. I don't know if this is EA's focus to make a cartoonish reality, but the game doesn't play like real basketball no matter what people tell you. The player models and phyics engine can be very impressive sometimes, but this game leaves a lot to be desired. Still.

          I agree there really is no excuse. EA can say this is what happens when you overhaul a game and are releasing a game every year, and it takes time, but these games have been around too long. I pray EA doesnt rule the world. All these companies have slowly been weeded out and EA keeps gobbling them up. EA has really perfected mediocrity in a lot of ways. Thing is if 2k wasn't around most of us wouldn't know better. I'm 36 years old nad don't really have the time to mess with all the issues that are lacking from these games. For now I'm playing nba 2k10 and ncaa if i want to just mess arorund. 2k as buggy and rushed as they've become, still plays a far more realistic game of nba basketball. I'd rather that money be in their hands than EA. I think EA are better business people and 2k are better developers.
          Last edited by Chief00; 01-04-2010, 10:38 AM.

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          • sportyguyfl31
            MVP
            • Nov 2005
            • 4745

            #20
            Re: Your final thoughts on LIVE 10?

            The problem with this generations sports games is that developers are designing these games backwards.

            There emphasis is on 1) visuals, 2) sound 3)online goodies and peripherals, 4) core fundamentals of the sport 5) ratings and making them matter.

            4) and 5) should be 1) and 2). those two things have to absolutely be correct.

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            • Chief00
              Banned
              • Jan 2010
              • 9

              #21
              Re: Your final thoughts on LIVE 10?

              What bothers me is these developers hyped this game beyond belief here. I actually questioned them and the response I got was "we don't need to realize anything". I think they do need to realize something. Maybe these companies sell games regardless but I've put so much of my money into this crap and it's going to end soon. They will just fool and milk younger people for another 20 years before they realize they've been had. So maybe they are right. They don't need to realize anything. I need to realize something and stop buying their crap. It's just easier said then done when EA is the only developer of this stuff around and I'm a video game crack whore. Live to me although they did some nice things, is about as mediocre a basketball game as you can get. I think both 2k and NCAA stretched the bar just enough to keep me tuned in. Live was meh to me.

              2010 should have been a great year for video game basketball not a time of reinventing the wheel for the 100th time. You can repackage **** in a lot of ways but it's still ****. Maybe like someone said it's the leap in graphics from last gen to this gen where they had to get their graphics engines up to date and it took longer than expected but why aren't other developers having this issue? I'm playing assassin's creed and it looks great and plays great. Why release a game every year if you are going to cause gamers these headaches except to make money? It's the end of the gen these companies should be putting on the finishing touches not starting over i guess is the point.

              Live looks pretty cool and plays pretty well in spots, it's a fun game, but it's a huge step back in others and like having to wait all over for EA to fix a lot of problems if they even do. It seems to me like they are going for a cartoonish reality here and not realism.
              Last edited by Chief00; 01-04-2010, 10:54 AM.

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              • Jasong7777
                All Star
                • May 2005
                • 6415

                #22
                Re: Your final thoughts on LIVE 10?

                Originally posted by sportyguyfl31
                The problem with this generations sports games is that developers are designing these games backwards.

                There emphasis is on 1) visuals, 2) sound 3)online goodies and peripherals, 4) core fundamentals of the sport 5) ratings and making them matter.

                4) and 5) should be 1) and 2). those two things have to absolutely be correct.
                Agreed.

                The game is not as bad as people make it out to be, but it has a long way to go to be on par with the other game. The parts for Live that are there are great. But the game is imo incomplete. If they add the things that have been mentioned in the thread, then yes, it will be just as good or even better than the other game.

                So I wouldn't call NBA Live 10 a bad game, but it's incomplete.
                Redskins, Lakers, Orioles, UNC Basketball , and ND Football
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                • inkpimp007
                  Rookie
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 167

                  #23
                  Re: Your final thoughts on LIVE 10?

                  Originally posted by rippy987
                  aside from the things you mentioned. the only real thing that stops me from playing this game at the moment, is the fact the cpu will just jack up shots 5 seconds into the shot clock all the time. thats what makes it unplayable for me at the moment
                  Really, that's weird? I'm not getting that at all, what level are you playing on. I'm playing 12min qrts on all-star and I see teams using the clock, it also depends on the team you are playing of course.

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                  • edubbs
                    MVP
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 2099

                    #24
                    Re: Your final thoughts on LIVE 10?

                    Even though Live09 had alot of issues, I played that game soo much and enjoyed it. It was my game of choice last year. The potential was soo obvious while playing 09, it kept me coming back.

                    This year my expectations were through the roof and leading up to release the Devs., were confirming pretty much all of my concerns with 09 would be addressed.

                    After 2 patches I really feel like the game will not get there for another year or two if ever IMO. I only play against the CPU so, the AI is my main concern with this franchise. I have no desire to play human vs. human games.

                    For the following issues to be promised and left out, was really dissapointing.

                    -The transition game ie; fasbreaks......is the worst i've seen. And this has been the case for 2 years now, for this to go pretty much untouched was insulting IMO.

                    -Rebounding and lack of 'physical feel' from the Bigs down low

                    -The scripted playsets that the AI runs, are poorly executed and VERY repetitive. Don't get me wrong, Live's playcalling 'system' is the best ever.

                    However, the AI often does not recognise a defender standing in the passing lane OR a wide open teammate on the floor when executing these sets. I can see a particular play coming an jump in the passing lane, and the AI does not try to find another option.

                    This is a HUGE flaw for Human vs. CPU players like me. You essentially have to dumb down the way you play, to enjoy the game at times.

                    -I'm not seeing all of the 'authenic playsets' that the devs. were promoting before release. I don't see playsets with Lebron, Dwade, Brandon Roy, etc. bring the ball up court intiating the offense enough, like we were promised.

                    And why are 90% of the team's halfcourt sets intiated from the same spot on the floor?

                    All plays start from Either the left perimeter angle or right perimeter angle of the floor. There are very few plays that intiate from the top of the key in this game for some reason.

                    I could go on about the AI issues but, I won't. I still play the game maybe 2 times a week but, anything more than that I start seeing things from 09, that drove me crazy start popping up too often.

                    My final thoughts are simple:

                    I'm lowering my expectations for Live11.

                    And I REALLY think this franchise is in trouble, the sales numbers don't lie.

                    As much as I like the 'potential' that this game has, the 'other game' is running away with this genre by a landslide.

                    The average consumer is not like basketball people who visit these boards, who are willing to wait for this franchise to get back on it's feet.

                    Before playing Live 09, I hadn't purchased Live since 06. Guys who have purchase Live for the past 5 years say they STILL see issues dating back to several years ago.

                    Lingering gameplay/AI issues from years past are just a common theme for this franchise, and that's the most frustrating thing about playing this game.

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                    • Chief00
                      Banned
                      • Jan 2010
                      • 9

                      #25
                      Re: Your final thoughts on LIVE 10?

                      Live spelled backwards is Evil.

                      I don't buy the whole underdog, new kid on the block, suffering sales theories. EA even in a bad economy is in better position than 2k and has a lot more resources at their disposal. EA has been around since the beginning, and is overhauling their game in hopes to make a run at NBA 2k. They've pretty much put the squeeze on them every where else. The fact NBA Live captured a percentage of sales this year that 2k once had is more a blow to 2k then it is to EA not selling #1.
                      Last edited by Chief00; 01-04-2010, 10:42 AM.

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                      • Vechi8
                        Redskins big 3
                        • Feb 2009
                        • 353

                        #26
                        Re: Your final thoughts on LIVE 10?

                        Originally posted by edubbs
                        Even though Live09 had alot of issues, I played that game soo much and enjoyed it. It was my game of choice last year. The potential was soo obvious while playing 09, it kept me coming back.

                        This year my expectations were through the roof and leading up to release the Devs., were confirming pretty much all of my concerns with 09 would be addressed.

                        After 2 patches I really feel like the game will not get there for another year or two if ever IMO. I only play against the CPU so, the AI is my main concern with this franchise. I have no desire to play human vs. human games.

                        For the following issues to be promised and left out, was really dissapointing.

                        -The transition game ie; fasbreaks......is the worst i've seen. And this has been the case for 2 years now, for this to go pretty much untouched was insulting IMO.

                        -Rebounding and lack of 'physical feel' from the Bigs down low

                        -The scripted playsets that the AI runs, are poorly executed and VERY repetitive. Don't get me wrong, Live's playcalling 'system' is the best ever.

                        However, the AI often does not recognise a defender standing in the passing lane OR a wide open teammate on the floor when executing these sets. I can see a particular play coming an jump in the passing lane, and the AI does not try to find another option.

                        This is a HUGE flaw for Human vs. CPU players like me. You essentially have to dumb down the way you play, to enjoy the game at times.

                        -I'm not seeing all of the 'authenic playsets' that the devs. were promoting before release. I don't see playsets with Lebron, Dwade, Brandon Roy, etc. bring the ball up court intiating the offense enough, like we were promised.

                        And why are 90% of the team's halfcourt sets intiated from the same spot on the floor?

                        All plays start from Either the left perimeter angle or right perimeter angle of the floor. There are very few plays that intiate from the top of the key in this game for some reason.

                        I could go on about the AI issues but, I won't. I still play the game maybe 2 times a week but, anything more than that I start seeing things from 09, that drove me crazy start popping up too often.

                        My final thoughts are simple:

                        I'm lowering my expectations for Live11.

                        And I REALLY think this franchise is in trouble, the sales numbers don't lie.

                        As much as I like the 'potential' that this game has, the 'other game' is running away with this genre by a landslide.

                        The average consumer is not like basketball people who visit these boards, who are willing to wait for this franchise to get back on it's feet.

                        Before playing Live 09, I hadn't purchased Live since 06. Guys who have purchase Live for the past 5 years say they STILL see issues dating back to several years ago.

                        Lingering gameplay/AI issues from years past are just a common theme for this franchise, and that's the most frustrating thing about playing this game.

                        I have no problem with fast breaks or rebounding but I do agree with the lack of physical feel down low. I have mentioned that countless times but it would make the game complete for me.

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                        • wsu_gb23
                          Banned
                          • Feb 2008
                          • 1641

                          #27
                          Re: Your final thoughts on LIVE 10?

                          I'm having fun with this game. Sig shots look great, and it's just fun to play. It feels great to get a guy open and hit an 18-foot jumper.

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                          • inkpimp007
                            Rookie
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 167

                            #28
                            Re: Your final thoughts on LIVE 10?

                            Originally posted by Chief00
                            I hear the original poster. This gen has been frustrating. I've been going back and forth between both games. I just would like a game that plays realistically and right out of the box. The more I play both games, the more Live is getting traded in soon. It's a fun game don't get me wrong but after playing both games head to head for quite some time Live is still a pick up and play arcade game. I don't know if this is EA's focus to make a cartoonish reality, but the game doesn't play like real basketball no matter what people tell you. The player models and phyics engine can be very impressive sometimes, but this game leaves a lot to be desired. Still. I agree there really is no excuse. EA can say this is what happens when you overhaul a game and are releasing a game every year, and it takes time, but these games have been around too long. I pray EA doesnt rule the world. All these companies have slowly been weeded out and EA keeps gobbling them up. EA has really perfected mediocrity in a lot of ways. Thing is if 2k wasn't around most of us wouldn't know better. I'm 36 years old nad don't really have the time to mess with all the issues that are lacking from these games. For now I'm playing nba 2k10 and ncaa if i want to just mess arorund. 2k as buggy and rushed as they've become, still plays a far more realistic game of nba basketball. I'd rather that money be in their hands than EA. I think EA are better business people and 2k are better developers.
                            Wow.... those are some loaded claims man. I don't want to turn this into a Live vs 2K but on your comparisons it's funny how people refuse to mention 2k's HUGE short comings, not to mention their biggest FAIL going with someone else to do the faces, that didn't go over well at all. Don't take my word for it just go to the 2K forum and the section on this sit and read some of the complaints, even better go to youtube for the proof.

                            Are there some short comings with Live 10? Of course there are. But what Live does get right it gets it in a good way. Team play books are the real thing (thats sim to me), not a version of the teams play book but the real deal. Spacing is great and D while sometimes frustrating at least is affective. You can actually close down the paint on D. What's funny is I normally by the other game, at least for the past several years that is. But there is no denying Live 10 is back. As far as people saying live is cartoony I think it's a matter of artistic taste, you can't exactly call 2K visually accurate in the likeness department so i don't get the gripe there. I love how live stays current and is pretty reliable when it comes to updates, can you say the same for the other title?

                            I've planned on picking up 2K and I was waiting for all the patches by both companies. But every time I think about picking 2k up i keep hearing about slider adjustments that need to be made just to get the game to play right and issue with updates and rosters. For me thats a turn off and something Live gets right.

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                            • Chief00
                              Banned
                              • Jan 2010
                              • 9

                              #29
                              Re: Your final thoughts on LIVE 10?

                              I did mention 2k's shortcomings though. I said it's a buggy and rushed mess and it is. Like I said this gen has been frustrating from both sides. I just want a realistic game that plays right out of the box. I do think amidst it's shortcomings, 2k plays a more realistic game and EA has a ways to go before they can match that. EA's rubberband logic is still a ways from replicating anything realistic. The thing is I dont even think they are aiming for that. Sure at its core NBA Live plays a good game and the games are fun, but watch what is really going on on the court sometime. yes it is a step up and does some things very well, but there are still too many things that are just arcadish and cartoonish. The tendencies in live dont compare. The thing is EA's game plays more right for what it is, but 2k's game is more realistic but flawed. So it's a double edged sword.

                              The faces in 2k are 100 times better than in Live so not sure what you are talking about. Look at both games head to head. As far as the physics engine underneath Live had 2k bested and 2k is a bit dated but still very good.
                              Last edited by Chief00; 01-04-2010, 11:28 AM.

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                              • blues rocker
                                MVP
                                • Sep 2007
                                • 1921

                                #30
                                Re: Your final thoughts on LIVE 10?

                                Originally posted by Chief00
                                I did mention 2k's shortcomings though. I said it's a buggy and rushed mess and it is. Like I said this gen has been frustrating from both sides. I just want a realistic game that plays right out of the box. I do think amidst it's shortcomings, 2k plays a more realistic game and EA has a ways to go before they can match that. EA's rubberband logic is still a ways from replicating anything realistic. The thing is I dont even think they are aiming for that. Sure at its core NBA Live plays a good game and the games are fun, but watch what is really going on on the court sometime. yes it is a step up and does some things very well, but there are still too many things that are just arcadish and cartoonish. The tendencies in live dont compare. The thing is EA's game plays more right for what it is, but 2k's game is more realistic but flawed. So it's a double edged sword.

                                The faces in 2k are 100 times better than in Live so not sure what you are talking about. Look at both games head to head. As far as the physics engine underneath Live had 2k bested and 2k is a bit dated but still very good.
                                I would say that Live plays quite realistic with no slider adjustments. The only areas where Live isn't realistic is it's too easy to hit contested shots and/or shots with body contact, and there isn't really a post up game in Live. Other than that Live is VERY realistic in every other way.

                                What I really love about Live is the body contact - you can step in front of a guy and he won't just slip by you - he will collide with you and you will stop his progress - you can really stop a ball handler by staying in front of him and bumping him. Live 10 is the first game that has successfully done these types of collisions and body contact. In 2k it is way too easy to get into the paint and score because 2k lacks this type of realistic body contact. 2k's defensive AI is also lacking which results in players leaving wide open lanes to the hoop too often. Live's players rarely leave wide open lanes to the hoop, so you reallly have to work to get into the paint - I love this aspect about Live.

                                Live's player movement and dribbling are also very smooth and responsive (this is an area where 2k falls short).
                                Last edited by blues rocker; 01-04-2010, 12:41 PM.

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