I'm Torn. I Like You NBA Live 10, But I Cant Keep You Anymore.

[DJ]

Re: I'm Torn. I Like You NBA Live 10, But I Cant Keep You Anymore.

In a perfect world we'd have Live 10's gameplay (minus the contact animations) and 2K's presentation all rolled up into a single game.

I had heard about 2K's issues with Association Mode, but it sounds like most things are fixable.

Dynamic Season is a cool feature but it shouldn't be the game's top priority. After a while, it gets old going back and playing Rewind Games, especially when there's no dynamic commentary to go with it. Now, if we had fresh lines of commentary, it would be a different story as it would give the games a different feel.

I mostly use the Nuggets. I hear 2-3 times a game about Nene is from Brazil and is the strongest and most-powerful of the Brazilian NBA players from Steve Kerr. That drives you nuts after a while.

The contact animations really make you batty, too. The layup solutions help but at the same time, the game certainly has a scripted feel to it. I mean, when CPU big men are euro-stepping, spinning and hitting 18-foot fadeaways and blowing past defenders with the ball it is annoying. Especially when you can't do the same things. Try shooting a J with a big man and if you don't have 3-5 feet of space, that shot gets blocked EVERY time. Running a fastbreak is almost non-existent and those blocks from behind really get my blood boiling.

You certainly can see the potential with Live 10. The off-ball control, half-court plays, L-stick control and realistic stats are all big positives for the game. But, the negatives really stand out after a while.

[sportyguyfl31]

Re: I'm Torn. I Like You NBA Live 10, But I Cant Keep You Anymore.

I too am in the same boat. I just switched back to the ps3 and picked up ncaa 10 nba 2k10 and live. I enjoyed the hell out of live before the 1rst patch. The game has gone downhill since then. My biggest issue is the scripted contact animations! This is a huge oversight. I love the shooting, the control, and the accesories, but that's were it stops.dna had a huge sophmore slump. I'm with you 23 this is getting traded in asap. Now my only question is whether to get the show or mw2? Next year I will play the demo with the "glasses" off to see if its worth 60.00 because this year with the lack of game modes and bare bones dynasty mode, they should have sold the game for 39.99!

What I did was buy the show las week, and am going to use the trade in credit for from live for Call of Duty.

Im going to be in a online league in the show as well as running a offline franchise in it, and Im about 15 games into a offline franchise in 2k.

I was tempted to keep Live around for online...but these games aint cheap.

I agree with Phobia in that regard. Online play is very good. Its probably my favorite sports game to play online, second to APF2k8.

The potential of the game really comes out when playing online head to head.

[Phobia]

Re: I'm Torn. I Like You NBA Live 10, But I Cant Keep You Anymore.

LOL that's how Chuck shoot man, you didnt know that?

I remember the first time Barkley and Kenny saw it on TNT. They had jokes

..I wasnt saying anyone was going off the deep end, just try to keep these topics away from that because someone always comes in and takes it there, but yep its been a good discussion so far.

That said, too many things bother me to enjoy it long which is why I cant take it anymore... I did post a video in the video thread of something I could never do before I changed the ratings

LOL I can see why he gets clowned. That ishhh is ugly as all hell. I will be the first to admit, I don't watch a ton of B-ball. Grew up playing a bunch and could of played for ULL in college if I would of kept my grades up. The coach recruited me at a tournament. But as far as watching the NBA on tv. I might watch 4 or 5 games a year.

In a perfect world we'd have Live 10's gameplay (minus the contact animations) and 2K's presentation all rolled up into a single game.

I had heard about 2K's issues with Association Mode, but it sounds like most things are fixable.

Dynamic Season is a cool feature but it shouldn't be the game's top priority. After a while, it gets old going back and playing Rewind Games, especially when there's no dynamic commentary to go with it. Now, if we had fresh lines of commentary, it would be a different story as it would give the games a different feel.

I mostly use the Nuggets. I hear 2-3 times a game about Nene is from Brazil and is the strongest and most-powerful of the Brazilian NBA players from Steve Kerr. That drives you nuts after a while.

The contact animations really make you batty, too. The layup solutions help but at the same time, the game certainly has a scripted feel to it. I mean, when CPU big men are euro-stepping, spinning and hitting 18-foot fadeaways and blowing past defenders with the ball it is annoying. Especially when you can't do the same things. Try shooting a J with a big man and if you don't have 3-5 feet of space, that shot gets blocked EVERY time. Running a fastbreak is almost non-existent and those blocks from behind really get my blood boiling.

You certainly can see the potential with Live 10. The off-ball control, half-court plays, L-stick control and realistic stats are all big positives for the game. But, the negatives really stand out after a while.

Yea I agree Dj, there are amazing things LIVE does well but after couple months with it u can clearly see the short comings.

[23]

Re: I'm Torn. I Like You NBA Live 10, But I Cant Keep You Anymore.

It wouldnt be so easy to get blocked if everybody's block ratings werent so high. Fisher doesnt block jack but he has a block rating

Mbenga doesnt take 3's but he has a rating that says there is a likelyhood that he will take a 3 pointer.... See what I mean?

[sportyguyfl31]

Re: I'm Torn. I Like You NBA Live 10, But I Cant Keep You Anymore.

It wouldnt be so easy to get blocked if everybody's block ratings werent so high. Fisher doesnt block jack but he has a block rating

Mbenga doesnt take 3's but he has a rating that says there is a likelyhood that he will take a 3 pointer.... See what I mean?

Which results in seeing really bizzare things from time to time, like Jameer Nelson blocking jump shots, which I did with him this morning.

Having a wide range of ratings and DNA is certainly a positive, but many of them for some players, should be set to zero.

[Phobia]

Re: I'm Torn. I Like You NBA Live 10, But I Cant Keep You Anymore.

It wouldnt be so easy to get blocked if everybody's block ratings werent so high. Fisher doesnt block jack but he has a block rating

Mbenga doesnt take 3's but he has a rating that says there is a likelyhood that he will take a 3 pointer.... See what I mean?

GREAT point 23. EA is always worried about stretching the ratings to far. But they should be so it creates more individuality. As it is now, players don't feel extremely different.

[23]

Re: I'm Torn. I Like You NBA Live 10, But I Cant Keep You Anymore.

GREAT point 23. EA is always worried about stretching the ratings to far. But they should be so it creates more individuality. As it is now, players don't feel extremely different.

Right

That's why I started editing ratings myself.

I am/was just testing but some of it seemed to work.

For instance when you couple where a player likes to shoot from

mid

3pt

or trying to get to the bucket aggressively


Pick 2 guys one a team like ORL

Dwights rebounding should be a straight 99
Not only because he's the top rebounder in the league, but he's the standard on ORL for rebounding.. Noone on that team rebounds as well as him.

The next guy in the rebounding dept, probably Shard or Gortat should be judged between Dwight @99 and an average rating which is 50

Noone is as close as Dwight so Shard is likely a 70 or 80 tops...which puts him at being a very good rebounder, way above the average guy but not over the top of a KG which would be at a 90... close to where Dwight is.


Hope that wasnt confusing but anyhow

Rondo is quick, likes to go to the bucket, his speed should be 99 and his highest ratings should be agressiveness and trying to get to the bucket for layup or dunk. Rondo's dunk rating is low below average because he doesnt dunk much, and he isnt a leaper so his vert rating is low as well.

They have guys like Mike Bibby with a vert rating way over what it should be.

Its things like this that ruin the game and why I started messing with them.

So a player like Jameer with a vert rating thats above 50 and a block rating above 50 can jump as high and block shots as good as Tay Prince.

Should not be so... get what im saying

[Phobia]

Re: I'm Torn. I Like You NBA Live 10, But I Cant Keep You Anymore.

Right

That's why I started editing ratings myself.

I am/was just testing but some of it seemed to work.

For instance when you couple where a player likes to shoot from

mid

3pt

or trying to get to the bucket aggressively


Pick 2 guys one a team like ORL

Dwights rebounding should be a straight 99
Not only because he's the top rebounder in the league, but he's the standard on ORL for rebounding.. Noone on that team rebounds as well as him.

The next guy in the rebounding dept, probably Shard or Gortat should be judged between Dwight @99 and an average rating which is 50

Noone is as close as Dwight so Shard is likely a 70 or 80 tops...which puts him at being a very good rebounder, way above the average guy but not over the top of a KG which would be at a 90... close to where Dwight is.


Hope that wasnt confusing but anyhow

Rondo is quick, likes to go to the bucket, his speed should be 99 and his highest ratings should be agressiveness and trying to get to the bucket for layup or dunk. Rondo's dunk rating is low below average because he doesnt dunk much, and he isnt a leaper so his vert rating is low as well.

They have guys like Mike Bibby with a vert rating way over what it should be.

Its things like this that ruin the game and why I started messing with them.

So a player like Jameer with a vert rating thats above 50 and a block rating above 50 can jump as high and block shots as good as Tay Prince.

Should not be so... get what im saying

Yea that is a pretty easy and good way to handle it. Are you doing a roster set??? I would love to see some edits like this and see just how different it makes the gameplay.

I mean the overall gameplay will remain very similar but things will play out more like they should.

[23]

Re: I'm Torn. I Like You NBA Live 10, But I Cant Keep You Anymore.

Yeah im still working on it to see if it will work.

I only did a few teams so far Dal, Den, LAL, CLE, BOS, ATL

What I was thinking was, the superstars ratings should be outstanding. It should make them stand out above the others in some way. Every team has at least a big three, so I was able to make them take the majority of the shots.

Problem is they do it too quick. You leave em open and they shoot it right? Thats fine really, but the games lack of defense, and the fact that its a one pass and shoot type game or whatever is annoying.

I had some nice stuff happening though, where one play Mo ripped Fish, and Bron ran and grabbed the ball, and fastbreaked down the court for the flush...the CPU couldnt catch up with him.

This game has always had nice flashes but it never puts it all together.

I put the rosters up on the EA locker though so you can send me a FR and I'll accept it later and if you want you can keep giving me feedback to tweak.

I completely shut guys like Fisher, Sasha, Nelson, Rondo, etc... from snatching boards over much bigger players and having a comparable vert.

Sasha doesnt try to get to the bucket, he'll lose the ball in the paint trying to dribble in inside, he doesnt aggressively go for layups and dunks, etc...

Thats the stuff I can change in ratings edits.

That kind of stuff helps, but some stuff in the programming is just ugly man.

[Phobia]

Re: I'm Torn. I Like You NBA Live 10, But I Cant Keep You Anymore.

Yeah im still working on it to see if it will work.

I only did a few teams so far Dal, Den, LAL, CLE, BOS, ATL

What I was thinking was, the superstars ratings should be outstanding. It should make them stand out above the others in some way. Every team has at least a big three, so I was able to make them take the majority of the shots.

Problem is they do it too quick. You leave em open and they shoot it right? Thats fine really, but the games lack of defense, and the fact that its a one pass and shoot type game or whatever is annoying.

I had some nice stuff happening though, where one play Mo ripped Fish, and Bron ran and grabbed the ball, and fastbreaked down the court for the flush...the CPU couldnt catch up with him.

This game has always had nice flashes but it never puts it all together.

I put the rosters up on the EA locker though so you can send me a FR and I'll accept it later and if you want you can keep giving me feedback to tweak.

I completely shut guys like Fisher, Sasha, Nelson, Rondo, etc... from snatching boards over much bigger players and having a comparable vert.

Sasha doesnt try to get to the bucket, he'll lose the ball in the paint trying to dribble in inside, he doesnt aggressively go for layups and dunks, etc...

Thats the stuff I can change in ratings edits.

That kind of stuff helps, but some stuff in the programming is just ugly man.

Do u have it for 360?

If so, then yea I will send a FR.

[23]

Re: I'm Torn. I Like You NBA Live 10, But I Cant Keep You Anymore.

yeah I have it on both

My GT is KDRE23

Wont be home til tonight around 6 PST but ill turn on the 360 and accept as soon as I get home

I had fun playing with and against every team accept ATL

Bibby shooting all of those shots in my face lol and not being able to stop JJ

BTW, IMO sliders will still have to be adjusted in your favor because of the programming purposes.

Dont pay attention to players overall numbers, I just made ratings absolute, but you'll understand why

[Phobia]

Re: I'm Torn. I Like You NBA Live 10, But I Cant Keep You Anymore.

yeah I have it on both

My GT is KDRE23

Wont be home til tonight around 6 PST but ill turn on the 360 and accept as soon as I get home

I had fun playing with and against every team accept ATL

Bibby shooting all of those shots in my face lol and not being able to stop JJ

BTW, IMO sliders will still have to be adjusted in your favor because of the programming purposes.

Dont pay attention to players overall numbers, I just made ratings absolute, but you'll understand why

Tight, well don't worry about rushing to accept FR tonight. I got people coming over for drinks and cook some food. But tomorrow I will hit you up on LIVE.

Thanks 23!!

[23]

Re: I'm Torn. I Like You NBA Live 10, But I Cant Keep You Anymore.

Np man... I was gonna start a thread about it but this one came up right before that happened. I kinda got sick of the game with the Hawks so I just stopped.

[Pappy Knuckles]

Re: I'm Torn. I Like You NBA Live 10, But I Cant Keep You Anymore.

It would help to contribute more to the discussion than this

This can be interpreted as anything and doesn't add to anything said so far.

Whats the reason for the post?

I said it because I know personally how fickle a lot of the posters in this thread are. I just found it funny that a thread was made for someone to say that they're done playing a game.

You guys can carry on. Don't mind me.

[23]

Re: I'm Torn. I Like You NBA Live 10, But I Cant Keep You Anymore.

Who's fickle man?

Don't generalize everybody and call out someone indirectly.

I never felt the need to start a thread to say im done with a game but I like where the topic ended up rather than where it started.

I just dont see a need for a hit and run post like that man, come on.