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  • bigeastbumrush
    My Momma's Son
    • Feb 2003
    • 19245

    #91
    Re: Player Ratings from Ign (09/24/04)

    Originally posted by Sonicmage
    If that is true, then franchise mode wont be realistic, basically. The wrong guys will get shots if players change teams. I know PC guys can change the primacy rating in the middle of a franchise but what about console guys?

    I never did like the Primacy rating or the Fatigue rating. Both of these factors are something that would be determined based on the coaching staff of the team.
    Primacy can be edited on console versions.

    But that was the one rating that if you changed would alter the player models of some of the bigger players like Shaq or Karl Malone. They became skinnier.

    Guys may be overanalyzing these ratings IMHO.

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    • ZigZag
      MVP
      • Sep 2002
      • 2668

      #92
      Re: Player Ratings from Ign (09/24/04)

      Yeah some is DEF over analyzing.

      kg's primacy is fine...cause he passes alot...and his scoring is not very high.


      Spee's ans Cassell's rating is ok...as long as they play the way they do in real life.

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      • ZigZag
        MVP
        • Sep 2002
        • 2668

        #93
        Re: Player Ratings from Ign (09/24/04)

        Yeah some is DEF over analyzing.

        kg's primacy is fine...cause he passes alot...and his scoring is not very high.


        Spee's ans Cassell's rating is ok...as long as they play the way they do in real life.

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        • SonicMage
          NBA Ratings Wizard
          • Oct 2002
          • 3544

          #94
          Re: Player Ratings from Ign (09/24/04)

          Originally posted by ZigZag
          Yeah some is DEF over analyzing.

          kg's primacy is fine...cause he passes alot...and his scoring is not very high.

          You were kidding, right? Garnett was second in the league in points per game last year. Not only that, but he took 500 more shot attempts in the same amount of games as RJ. Live 2004 rated Garnett at 83 in primacy last year and he was never in the MVP race when simming a season because he didnt score enough. Now he is at 78. Where is the confusion?

          I dont think theres anything wrong with being annoyed at incorrect ratings in NBA Live. For me, in these types of sports games, the realism makes the fun. If I see a player not performing remotely close to what I would expect him to do in real life, it takes away the enjoyment of the experience for me. Apparently, I am not the only one who feels this way. If you and others dont mind playing the game the way it is, then thats good, enjoy it. Myself, I dislike having to spend weeks creating spreadsheets upon a game's release to get the game to a level of realism where I can enjoy it when that job should have been completed before the game was shipped. In fact, I would rather have had the release date stay at October 5th and them spend the extra week in the development cycle tweaking ratings instead.
          NBA 2K18 ratings for several seasons generated from advanced analytics using the SportsCrunch system:

          Sonicmage NBA 2K18 Ratings 2017-18 season
          Link to Ratings 1996-2017
          Link to Ratings 1973-1996
          Link to Ratings All-time

          Discussion found here

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          • SonicMage
            NBA Ratings Wizard
            • Oct 2002
            • 3544

            #95
            Re: Player Ratings from Ign (09/24/04)

            Originally posted by ZigZag
            Yeah some is DEF over analyzing.

            kg's primacy is fine...cause he passes alot...and his scoring is not very high.

            You were kidding, right? Garnett was second in the league in points per game last year. Not only that, but he took 500 more shot attempts in the same amount of games as RJ. Live 2004 rated Garnett at 83 in primacy last year and he was never in the MVP race when simming a season because he didnt score enough. Now he is at 78. Where is the confusion?

            I dont think theres anything wrong with being annoyed at incorrect ratings in NBA Live. For me, in these types of sports games, the realism makes the fun. If I see a player not performing remotely close to what I would expect him to do in real life, it takes away the enjoyment of the experience for me. Apparently, I am not the only one who feels this way. If you and others dont mind playing the game the way it is, then thats good, enjoy it. Myself, I dislike having to spend weeks creating spreadsheets upon a game's release to get the game to a level of realism where I can enjoy it when that job should have been completed before the game was shipped. In fact, I would rather have had the release date stay at October 5th and them spend the extra week in the development cycle tweaking ratings instead.
            NBA 2K18 ratings for several seasons generated from advanced analytics using the SportsCrunch system:

            Sonicmage NBA 2K18 Ratings 2017-18 season
            Link to Ratings 1996-2017
            Link to Ratings 1973-1996
            Link to Ratings All-time

            Discussion found here

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            • Ofizzle
              Pro
              • Nov 2003
              • 632

              #96
              Re: Player Ratings from Ign (09/24/04)

              Originally posted by Falkowski83
              I just can't believe it... Nene at 60 overall?????? While Boozer is 73 and even Kame Brown and Radmanovic are higher than that??????? EA Sports is just kidding me. Nene at the 7 roster spot???? He will be the 6th man, IF he doesn't start over Camby. His field goal at 59???? He shot 53% from the FIELD last year!!!!!!!!! And his quickness at 61????? C'mon they are just kidding me. He is faster than KMart, and Kmart is 69. They are just kidding me....
              I agree, but FG% doesn't mean you're a good shooter, now Nene as improved and should have about a 60, but he get's his points from faceup| driving, on the break etc, not from jumpshots most of the time.

              Why is everyone getting so mad!? Yeah EA screwed up but it's so easy to change.

              Oh and Nene is NOT faster than KMart.
              Are you sure about that, Nene is one of the fastest big men in the league, Kmart is fast, but Nene is crazy, the guy was beating the guards in the combine during his draft year.



              You were kidding, right? Garnett was second in the league in points per game last year. Not only that, but he took 500 more shot attempts in the same amount of games as RJ. Live 2004 rated Garnett at 83 in primacy last year and he was never in the MVP race when simming a season because he didnt score enough. Now he is at 78. Where is the confusion?
              KG also get's assisted on 67% of his made FG's, so he doesn't hold the ball that much, he's just a big catch and turn and shoot person. Apart from Peja, KG has on of the highest assisted FG's out of all the big scorers, the other guys like Kobe, Tmac, Carterm Duncan etc are assisted on 40-50%.

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              • Ofizzle
                Pro
                • Nov 2003
                • 632

                #97
                Re: Player Ratings from Ign (09/24/04)

                Originally posted by Falkowski83
                I just can't believe it... Nene at 60 overall?????? While Boozer is 73 and even Kame Brown and Radmanovic are higher than that??????? EA Sports is just kidding me. Nene at the 7 roster spot???? He will be the 6th man, IF he doesn't start over Camby. His field goal at 59???? He shot 53% from the FIELD last year!!!!!!!!! And his quickness at 61????? C'mon they are just kidding me. He is faster than KMart, and Kmart is 69. They are just kidding me....
                I agree, but FG% doesn't mean you're a good shooter, now Nene as improved and should have about a 60, but he get's his points from faceup| driving, on the break etc, not from jumpshots most of the time.

                Why is everyone getting so mad!? Yeah EA screwed up but it's so easy to change.

                Oh and Nene is NOT faster than KMart.
                Are you sure about that, Nene is one of the fastest big men in the league, Kmart is fast, but Nene is crazy, the guy was beating the guards in the combine during his draft year.



                You were kidding, right? Garnett was second in the league in points per game last year. Not only that, but he took 500 more shot attempts in the same amount of games as RJ. Live 2004 rated Garnett at 83 in primacy last year and he was never in the MVP race when simming a season because he didnt score enough. Now he is at 78. Where is the confusion?
                KG also get's assisted on 67% of his made FG's, so he doesn't hold the ball that much, he's just a big catch and turn and shoot person. Apart from Peja, KG has on of the highest assisted FG's out of all the big scorers, the other guys like Kobe, Tmac, Carterm Duncan etc are assisted on 40-50%.

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                • SonicMage
                  NBA Ratings Wizard
                  • Oct 2002
                  • 3544

                  #98
                  Re: Player Ratings from Ign (09/24/04)

                  Originally posted by Ofizzle
                  KG also get's assisted on 67% of his made FG's, so he doesn't hold the ball that much, he's just a big catch and turn and shoot person.
                  Which is another reason to raise his primacy. Primacy has nothing to do with the length of time holding the ball, it has to do with the percentage of shot attempts that player will have for his team. If primacy had to do with holding the ball, then most teams' point guards would have the high primacy ratings.
                  NBA 2K18 ratings for several seasons generated from advanced analytics using the SportsCrunch system:

                  Sonicmage NBA 2K18 Ratings 2017-18 season
                  Link to Ratings 1996-2017
                  Link to Ratings 1973-1996
                  Link to Ratings All-time

                  Discussion found here

                  Comment

                  • SonicMage
                    NBA Ratings Wizard
                    • Oct 2002
                    • 3544

                    #99
                    Re: Player Ratings from Ign (09/24/04)

                    Originally posted by Ofizzle
                    KG also get's assisted on 67% of his made FG's, so he doesn't hold the ball that much, he's just a big catch and turn and shoot person.
                    Which is another reason to raise his primacy. Primacy has nothing to do with the length of time holding the ball, it has to do with the percentage of shot attempts that player will have for his team. If primacy had to do with holding the ball, then most teams' point guards would have the high primacy ratings.
                    NBA 2K18 ratings for several seasons generated from advanced analytics using the SportsCrunch system:

                    Sonicmage NBA 2K18 Ratings 2017-18 season
                    Link to Ratings 1996-2017
                    Link to Ratings 1973-1996
                    Link to Ratings All-time

                    Discussion found here

                    Comment

                    • nikolaihunt
                      Rookie
                      • May 2004
                      • 75

                      #100
                      Re: Player Ratings from Ign (09/24/04)

                      Originally posted by Ofizzle
                      KG also get's assisted on 67% of his made FG's, so he doesn't hold the ball that much, he's just a big catch and turn and shoot person. Apart from Peja, KG has on of the highest assisted FG's out of all the big scorers, the other guys like Kobe, Tmac, Carterm Duncan etc are assisted on 40-50%.
                      Yeah.. but Shaq had something like 66% of his shots assisted and averaged around 14 FGA a game versus KG's 19 FGA and change.

                      And Shaq's primacy is at 95.

                      It gets more and more confusing..

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                      • nikolaihunt
                        Rookie
                        • May 2004
                        • 75

                        #101
                        Re: Player Ratings from Ign (09/24/04)

                        Originally posted by Ofizzle
                        KG also get's assisted on 67% of his made FG's, so he doesn't hold the ball that much, he's just a big catch and turn and shoot person. Apart from Peja, KG has on of the highest assisted FG's out of all the big scorers, the other guys like Kobe, Tmac, Carterm Duncan etc are assisted on 40-50%.
                        Yeah.. but Shaq had something like 66% of his shots assisted and averaged around 14 FGA a game versus KG's 19 FGA and change.

                        And Shaq's primacy is at 95.

                        It gets more and more confusing..

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                        • nikolaihunt
                          Rookie
                          • May 2004
                          • 75

                          #102
                          Re: Player Ratings from Ign (09/24/04)

                          Originally posted by nikolaihunt
                          Yeah.. but Shaq had something like 66% of his shots assisted and averaged around 14 FGA a game versus KG's 19 FGA and change.

                          And Shaq's primacy is at 95.

                          It gets more and more confusing..
                          I should add that this isn't the whole picture, because FGA doesn't address trips to the line, and I should probably be using FGA/48.

                          So Garnett has 20 FGA/48, and 6.9 FTA/48. Shaq has 18.5 FGA/49, and 13.2 FTA/48. For the simplicity's sake, assume that these weren't And1s, so KG has 23.45 shots/48 and Shaq has 25 shots/48, so there's about a one and a half shot difference between the two.

                          Whether that's worth 17 primacy points or not, I dunno but I'd imagine less..

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                          • nikolaihunt
                            Rookie
                            • May 2004
                            • 75

                            #103
                            Re: Player Ratings from Ign (09/24/04)

                            Originally posted by nikolaihunt
                            Yeah.. but Shaq had something like 66% of his shots assisted and averaged around 14 FGA a game versus KG's 19 FGA and change.

                            And Shaq's primacy is at 95.

                            It gets more and more confusing..
                            I should add that this isn't the whole picture, because FGA doesn't address trips to the line, and I should probably be using FGA/48.

                            So Garnett has 20 FGA/48, and 6.9 FTA/48. Shaq has 18.5 FGA/49, and 13.2 FTA/48. For the simplicity's sake, assume that these weren't And1s, so KG has 23.45 shots/48 and Shaq has 25 shots/48, so there's about a one and a half shot difference between the two.

                            Whether that's worth 17 primacy points or not, I dunno but I'd imagine less..

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                            • Ofizzle
                              Pro
                              • Nov 2003
                              • 632

                              #104
                              Re: Player Ratings from Ign (09/24/04)

                              Originally posted by nikolaihunt
                              I should add that this isn't the whole picture, because FGA doesn't address trips to the line, and I should probably be using FGA/48.

                              So Garnett has 20 FGA/48, and 6.9 FTA/48. Shaq has 18.5 FGA/49, and 13.2 FTA/48. For the simplicity's sake, assume that these weren't And1s, so KG has 23.45 shots/48 and Shaq has 25 shots/48, so there's about a one and a half shot difference between the two.

                              Whether that's worth 17 primacy points or not, I dunno but I'd imagine less..
                              It boggles the mind, I still don't know how FT attempts work when simulating, what controls this? I tried so many things, but I don't know, maybe they should just add a rating called foul drawing?

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                              • Ofizzle
                                Pro
                                • Nov 2003
                                • 632

                                #105
                                Re: Player Ratings from Ign (09/24/04)

                                Originally posted by nikolaihunt
                                I should add that this isn't the whole picture, because FGA doesn't address trips to the line, and I should probably be using FGA/48.

                                So Garnett has 20 FGA/48, and 6.9 FTA/48. Shaq has 18.5 FGA/49, and 13.2 FTA/48. For the simplicity's sake, assume that these weren't And1s, so KG has 23.45 shots/48 and Shaq has 25 shots/48, so there's about a one and a half shot difference between the two.

                                Whether that's worth 17 primacy points or not, I dunno but I'd imagine less..
                                It boggles the mind, I still don't know how FT attempts work when simulating, what controls this? I tried so many things, but I don't know, maybe they should just add a rating called foul drawing?

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