Dirk whining about Tmac and Kobe and american sports

[BigTigLSU]

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when you think of the Mavs

I think of Mark Cuban

[Sarah]

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I think of Mark Cuban

and Dirk Nodefenseki.

[WilliamWilliamson]

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I watch Dirk play a lot and he actually has some of the worst shot selection in the league. He's a good shooter, but he makes shots much harder than they have to be. He rarely passes. He gets the ball, does a few ball fakes and then takes a well contested high arcing fade away and it seems like he's off more than he's on. At least on those shots.

[Playmakers]

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Here dirk is "man"..in Europe he was "THE MAN"... I guess the fact that has been playing over here for 5+ years now and he still cant seem to reach that upper upper plateau of NBA players like Iverson, Shaq, Kobe, Lebron...and you know what..he probably never will. Dirk has no leadership abilities as well. When youthink of LA you think of Kobe, when you thought of the bulls back in the day you thought of Jordan, when you think of Philly you think AI..when you think of the Mavs, you really dont automatically think of any one player.

This entire post made no sense. It is flawed because LBJ and AI don't have anymore rings than Dirk. Their leadership must have come overnight because I haven't witnessed yet. Dirk not being in the top tier group of players is just one of the dumbest comments I have seen. The guy was All NBA first team last year so that defeats that statement.

[Playmakers]

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I watch Dirk play a lot and he actually has some of the worst shot selection in the league. He's a good shooter, but he makes shots much harder than they have to be. He rarely passes. He gets the ball, does a few ball fakes and then takes a well contested high arcing fade away and it seems like he's off more than he's on. At least on those shots.

Sometimes I began to question the basketball knowledge of people who actually post on OS sometimes. I began to question if they are a basketball fan or they just see a few games on TV and decide chime in on certain subjects.

One of the best asset's of star player is too hit tough shots that other players can't hit. What you might concieve as a poor shot for Dirk the Mavs caoching staff might feel different. He shoots over the top of little guy's and he set's up big guy's with his ball fake aswell as any player in the game today. He led all PF's in assist during last year's playoffs at 3.3 per game yet he rarely passes. Are you sure your watching the Mavs games because just this week alone Dirk has put up 5+ assist in back to back games thusday and friday.......

The fact that he's scored 30+ points 11 times this year and Dallas is 11-0 in those games tells you he's getting his points within the flow of the offense. If anything Dirk could score 30+ on a nightly basis if he didn't pass or force up shots. I think some people make post without really knowing anything about Dallas other than what they hear or read.

[RubenDouglas]

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thats true. but hasnt it always been that way. just look at wilt or maravich... I mean why even complain. he's complaining just to complain and it looks bad on him because he just got torched..

its like a big ol hypocrite. Its like saying, I hate the taste of coke, but everytime I drink one I can take the bottle and get a 5 cent refund. IT just irks me that you'd complain without DOING anything about it. afterall thats mainly why I complain, so something different can be done

[nkhera1]

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Sometimes I began to question the basketball knowledge of people who actually post on OS sometimes. I began to question if they are a basketball fan or they just see a few games on TV and decide chime in on certain subjects.

One of the best asset's of star player is too hit tough shots that other players can't hit. What you might concieve as a poor shot for Dirk the Mavs caoching staff might feel different. He shoots over the top of little guy's and he set's up big guy's with his ball fake aswell as any player in the game today. He led all PF's in assist during last year's playoffs at 3.3 per game yet he rarely passes. Are you sure your watching the Mavs games because just this week alone Dirk has put up 5+ assist in back to back games thusday and friday.......

The fact that he's scored 30+ points 11 times this year and Dallas is 11-0 in those games tells you he's getting his points within the flow of the offense. If anything Dirk could score 30+ on a nightly basis if he didn't pass or force up shots. I think some people make post without really knowing anything about Dallas other than what they hear or read.

He shouldn't be taking fadeaways over players like Steve Nash.

[Flyboy]

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thats true. but hasnt it always been that way. just look at wilt or maravich... I mean why even complain. he's complaining just to complain and it looks bad on him because he just got torched..

its like a big ol hypocrite. Its like saying, I hate the taste of coke, but everytime I drink one I can take the bottle and get a 5 cent refund. IT just irks me that you'd complain without DOING anything about it. afterall thats mainly why I complain, so something different can be done

I remember the matchup that HOU/DAL had in the regular season where Dirk went for like 50'ish and Mac went for like 48 or something like that. I wonder if Dirk remembers that game.

[Playmakers]

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He shouldn't be taking fadeaways over players like Steve Nash.

He shoots fade aways regardless of who the defender is Nash or Duncan. That is a shot Dirk has practiced on throughout his career. It's his bread and butter. That's like saying Kareem shouldn't have shot hook shots vs Isiah Thomas.

Why is it that Dirk has to develope another way to score because he's 7'0 if anything it makes him unique simply because he's a rare player at that height whom you just can't disregard because he's 20 ft away from the basket.

He uses head fakes, pump fakes and spin moves because those are things he's spent years trying to perfect. Hell I've seen other big guy's spend years trying to develope one inside move without any success so Dirk should be at fault becuase he has developed a rare way of scoring for a big man...

[Playmakers]

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I remember the matchup that HOU/DAL had in the regular season where Dirk went for like 50'ish and Mac went for like 48 or something like that. I wonder if Dirk remembers that game.

What does that have to do with his statement? Read the article and pay attention to what he's saying. Coming on here and saying Dirk scored 50 in a game is as about a dumb of a post you can make debating the article and what he is trying to say.

By the way did you even watch that 53 point night vs Houston?

The game went to OT Dallas won 113-106.

Dirk had 53 points on 15/32 shooting from the FG, 21/22 from FT Line, 16 rebounds, 4 of which came on the offensive glass that led to 6 Mavs points, 2 steals, 4 blocks and only 1 turnover. That was all within the flow of the offense and still playing on both ends of the court.

The Mavs also had 3 other players in double figures scoring that night so other guy's were getting shots and looks throughout the game.

If you need the tape of the game I'd be happy to send you a copy.

[Kashanova]

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if you shot 30 times your looking to score no doubt about that

[23]

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The more I think about it, the more I say it was all sour grapes.


When talking about playing as a team, its funny that his buddy Steve Nash wasnt mentioned. Someone who is widely known as a TEAM player in the NBA. Plays for a team that put his out of the playoffs as a TEAM.

No mention of any other guys in the NBA who play roles perfectly like a Robert Horry, Rip Hamilton, a Jason Kidd, even guys like Reggie Evans, Udonis Haslem, who play their teams roles as they should, and other guys who play fine fundamental team ball, yet you look past them for the sportscenter flash... the guys who aren't superstars.

Ironically he mentions the two guys who embarrassed him, as if noone would talk about it.

Then when you begin to think about defense, that's way out of the context of Euro fundamentals. So much that you say fundamental and defense isnt mentioned in the same line as Euro league in a positive fashion.

I wont even talk about dirks german team, but the fact is, this game is far more lucrative, more exciting, and produces better players than the L he's whining of

[Streets]

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I agree with the people crying "sour grapes" for many reasons, which have been mentioned throughout the thread already.

1. The comments happened to occur after one man beat his whole team. Coincidence?

2. Had it of been Dirk or a mavs teammate who single handedly demolished the lakers the comments most likely wouldn't have been made, point blank. He would have said something to the effect of, it was exciting for the fans, and I am glad I was apart of it (w/ no mention of euro ball).

3. The two people he specifically called out are the two who recently clowned him on the court (Tmac w/ his D, Kobe w/ his O)

4. Dirk is the exact thing that he is complaining about, and is getting paid lots of money to do it (I think this is what irks people the most, hence all the "go back to germany if you dont like it" comments).

5. Not only is he the embodiment of what he's whining about on the Mavs, but also in precious Germany which is all about "team ball", yet he takes 40-50% of the teams shots?

Whether or not he has a point, the motivation behind the comment is sour grapes, and it'll be hard to convince me otherwise. Dre also makes a good point: everyone is jockin euro's because they on average are better shooters than U.S. players. However, wheres the emphasis on D over there? All the great euro players are known for shooting lights out, but they are also known for being soft and not playing a lick of D (*cough* *dirk*).

[WilliamWilliamson]

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I stand by what I say, he has poor shot selction. He's the star player but he's on a team of guys who can create for themselves. Just about every player on that team is a black hole when they get the ball. Partly because they know if Dirk gets it, they won't be getting a shot and if they do there will be 1 second on the shotclock.

Dirk does have a good basketball IQ, but his shot selection is very poor sometimes. On nights that he is off, he doesn't need to shoot the ball 25 times. He constantly takes shots with other players wide open. They have some VERY capable offensive players surrounding him. For him to call guys like Kobe and Tmac selfish, it's definitely sour grapes.

I'd have to question the IQ of anyone who watched Dirk play and thinks he has good shot selection.

Jason Terry is just about the only guy on the Mavs that has good shot selection.

Let me add that they're not going to win a championship with him taking those shots. Wouldn't see Tim Duncan with that type of shot selection. He'd kick it out to his PG on the perimeter. And guess what, Tony Parker isn't 1/100th the 3 point shooter Jason Terry is.

[bball_1523]

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I agree with the people crying "sour grapes" for many reasons, which have been mentioned throughout the thread already.

1. The comments happened to occur after one man beat his whole team. Coincidence?

2. Had it of been Dirk or a mavs teammate who single handedly demolished the lakers the comments most likely wouldn't have been made, point blank. He would have said something to the effect of, it was exciting for the fans, and I am glad I was apart of it (w/ no mention of euro ball).

3. The two people he specifically called out are the two who recently clowned him on the court (Tmac w/ his D, Kobe w/ his O)

4. Dirk is the exact thing that he is complaining about, and is getting paid lots of money to do it (I think this is what irks people the most, hence all the "go back to germany if you dont like it" comments).

5. Not only is he the embodiment of what he's whining about on the Mavs, but also in precious Germany which is all about "team ball", yet he takes 40-50% of the teams shots?

Whether or not he has a point, the motivation behind the comment is sour grapes, and it'll be hard to convince me otherwise. Dre also makes a good point: everyone is jockin euro's because they on average are better shooters than U.S. players. However, wheres the emphasis on D over there? All the great euro players are known for shooting lights out, but they are also known for being soft and not playing a lick of D (*cough* *dirk*).

I think it's half sour grapes and half truth. I've thought about the nba being all show and bearly any basketball for the past year, and bearly anyone has really agreed with me. You can search through my posts and see what I had to say this past year, I mentioned a lot of what Dirk said before.