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  • Playmakers
    Hall Of Fame
    • Sep 2004
    • 15418

    #106
    Re: Dirk whining about Tmac and Kobe and american sports

    Originally posted by WilliamWilliamson
    I stand by what I say, he has poor shot selction. He's the star player but he's on a team of guys who can create for themselves. Just about every player on that team is a black hole when they get the ball. Partly because they know if Dirk gets it, they won't be getting a shot and if they do there will be 1 second on the shotclock.

    Dirk does have a good basketball IQ, but his shot selection is very poor sometimes. On nights that he is off, he doesn't need to shoot the ball 25 times. He constantly takes shots with other players wide open. They have some VERY capable offensive players surrounding him. For him to call guys like Kobe and Tmac selfish, it's definitely sour grapes.

    I'd have to question the IQ of anyone who watched Dirk play and thinks he has good shot selection.

    Jason Terry is just about the only guy on the Mavs that has good shot selection.

    Let me add that they're not going to win a championship with him taking those shots. Wouldn't see Tim Duncan with that type of shot selection. He'd kick it out to his PG on the perimeter. And guess what, Tony Parker isn't 1/100th the 3 point shooter Jason Terry is.

    I'm sure you do stand by what you say but that doesn't mean you know what the hell your talking about when ti comes to Dallas Mavericks basketball.

    You are as about as clueless of a person on here to date when you mentioned every guy shoots because they know Dirk won't pass. Get lost man because it's obvious you don't know what the hell your talking about especially since the guy just went out I got 5 & 6 assist on back to back nights thrusday and friday. But then again sportscenter doesn't show the entire games just highlights of shots.....
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    • Air23
      Banned
      • Feb 2003
      • 2502

      #107
      Re: Dirk whining about Tmac and Kobe and american sports

      Originally posted by Streets Disciple
      I agree with the people crying "sour grapes" for many reasons, which have been mentioned throughout the thread already.

      1. The comments happened to occur after one man beat his whole team. Coincidence?

      2. Had it of been Dirk or a mavs teammate who single handedly demolished the lakers the comments most likely wouldn't have been made, point blank. He would have said something to the effect of, it was exciting for the fans, and I am glad I was apart of it (w/ no mention of euro ball).

      3. The two people he specifically called out are the two who recently clowned him on the court (Tmac w/ his D, Kobe w/ his O)

      4. Dirk is the exact thing that he is complaining about, and is getting paid lots of money to do it (I think this is what irks people the most, hence all the "go back to germany if you dont like it" comments).

      5. Not only is he the embodiment of what he's whining about on the Mavs, but also in precious Germany which is all about "team ball", yet he takes 40-50% of the teams shots?

      Whether or not he has a point, the motivation behind the comment is sour grapes, and it'll be hard to convince me otherwise. Dre also makes a good point: everyone is jockin euro's because they on average are better shooters than U.S. players. However, wheres the emphasis on D over there? All the great euro players are known for shooting lights out, but they are also known for being soft and not playing a lick of D (*cough* *dirk*).

      Bingo.

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      • WilliamWilliamson
        Pro
        • Nov 2005
        • 690

        #108
        Re: Dirk whining about Tmac and Kobe and american sports

        Originally posted by Playmakers
        I'm sure you do stand by what you say but that doesn't mean you know what the hell your talking about when ti comes to Dallas Mavericks basketball.

        You are as about as clueless of a person on here to date when you mentioned every guy shoots because they know Dirk won't pass. Get lost man because it's obvious you don't know what the hell your talking about especially since the guy just went out I got 5 & 6 assist on back to back nights thrusday and friday. But then again sportscenter doesn't show the entire games just highlights of shots.....
        I watch just about every game the Mavs play on league pass and Dirk is a great player. He's one of my favorite players, it's a very fun team to watch. Lots of great offense. Dirk just has stretches where he hurts his team much more than he helps and it's due to his shot selection and the long rebounds it creates. They're never going to be a true championship contender with his shot selection. Game 6 against the Suns last year would be a great example.

        I'm sure you're a big time Mavs fan and I don't blame you. Very fun team to watch, lots of great players, and they're going to be there every year for a long time. They're just never going to win a championship.

        What, of what I just said, do you disagree with? Also, you can have bad shot selection and still get assists, look at Ricky Davis

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        • Playmakers
          Hall Of Fame
          • Sep 2004
          • 15418

          #109
          Re: Dirk whining about Tmac and Kobe and american sports

          Another 4 assist by Dirk but of course he never passes the ball...

          Anyways, I'm tired of debating the Mavs on these boards. Their record is 21-7 they've beaten the hell out of the 3 teams everyone claimed can't be touched coming into this year.

          This isn't even the same Mavs teams from those Nelson years simply because only Dirk remains. If they are soft then find they are soft, if they don't play defense then find they don't play defense and if Dirk isn't a top 5-10 player then that cool aswell.

          I just know that they are 21-7 and if it was Miami, Indiana, Phoenix, Minnesota or Houston those teams would be considered unstopable even though neither has a ring much like Dallas within the last 5 years.

          Next thread please!
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          • WilliamWilliamson
            Pro
            • Nov 2005
            • 690

            #110
            Re: Dirk whining about Tmac and Kobe and american sports

            Yeah, they're a great regular season team.

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            • Pointguard
              MVP
              • Jun 2005
              • 2977

              #111
              Re: Dirk whining about Tmac and Kobe and american sports

              ^Cuz that is right on topic, eh?



              I've actually thought about it and I think it is some-what sour grapes. He didn't have to mention certain things like Euro ball and could have just said he put on a show and then left it at that. He didnt need to comtinue to talk.

              I still question how people's reading skills or at least, reading the details. Dirk never said "NBA ball is not the way the game should be played" so the whole "Dirk plays in the same league" or "Go back to Euope" is unneccesary.

              I'm sure Dirk was pissed after the game and so the statements were "sour grapes". What he said was true, but he should have picked a much better time to say it.

              Kashanova, can you explain "soft" for me? Please. I've asked SoMiss and he runs away and doesn't answer the question and there are a few others Im sure, but what exactly is soft?

              The Germany/Euo game's is so different than what Dirk is talking about, or the way I look at it. If you actually watched Germany (I think I saw two games), Dirk didn't come down and shot the ball. He played within the offense and passed out of the double teams. The fact that Germany runs 80% of the plays for him because they are missing 3 starters and arent even very good to begin with is why he gets 40+% of the shots, but the style/way they played was much different.

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              • Playmakers
                Hall Of Fame
                • Sep 2004
                • 15418

                #112
                Re: Dirk whining about Tmac and Kobe and american sports

                I got your soft alright.....

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                Only one team out there has managed to prevent Detroit and San Antonio from creating major separation from The Other 28. Dallas is stubbornly (and unexpectedly) trying to stay in the same sentence with those NBA Finals rivals, and Nowitzki's efficiency is the catalyst, powering the Mavericks to rousing home wins over both teams and several more impressive performances in the face of a steady injury stream.
                Stop Nowitzki and you have a good chance of beating Dallas. Yet it rarely happens, even though the Mavs still don't know night to night who will emerge as their second scoring option to take some defensive focus off the German. (To wit: Dallas is 20-2 when Nowitzki scores at least 20 points, and 11-0 when he scores 30-plus, compared to 1-5 when he's held below 20.)
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                • aholbert32
                  (aka Alberto)
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 33106

                  #113
                  Re: Dirk whining about Tmac and Kobe and american sports

                  Originally posted by Playmakers
                  I got your soft alright.....

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                  Dirk Nowitzki, PF, Dallas Mavericks
                  Only one team out there has managed to prevent Detroit and San Antonio from creating major separation from The Other 28. Dallas is stubbornly (and unexpectedly) trying to stay in the same sentence with those NBA Finals rivals, and Nowitzki's efficiency is the catalyst, powering the Mavericks to rousing home wins over both teams and several more impressive performances in the face of a steady injury stream.
                  Stop Nowitzki and you have a good chance of beating Dallas. Yet it rarely happens, even though the Mavs still don't know night to night who will emerge as their second scoring option to take some defensive focus off the German. (To wit: Dallas is 20-2 when Nowitzki scores at least 20 points, and 11-0 when he scores 30-plus, compared to 1-5 when he's held below 20.)
                  OMG! ESPN.com gave Dirk the MVP of the first 1/3 of the season. That must mean he's not soft and plays defense. LOL.

                  This means nothing except that ESPN.com though he has a great start to the season. No offense but you seem like a huge Mavs homer. I'm a Lakers fan but I have no problem admitting that Kobe can be selfish and takes bad shots. You for some reason refuse to admit anything negative about your Mavs even when other posters make good points about Dirk and the Mavs play.

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                  • utexas
                    Greatness
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 4868

                    #114
                    Re: Dirk whining about Tmac and Kobe and american sports

                    BAck on topic, I really think some guys think he held a press conference and rattled off a list of think wrong with America. He answered a question that was posed to him and gave an honest response. But, it doesn't affect the Mavs wins/losses so I'm pleased to have the German. There isn't a guy who posted on this thread that wouldn't want him on their team, bottom line.
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                    • Playmakers
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Sep 2004
                      • 15418

                      #115
                      Re: Dirk whining about Tmac and Kobe and american sports

                      Originally posted by aholbert32
                      OMG! ESPN.com gave Dirk the MVP of the first 1/3 of the season. That must mean he's not soft and plays defense. LOL.

                      This means nothing except that ESPN.com though he has a great start to the season. No offense but you seem like a huge Mavs homer. I'm a Lakers fan but I have no problem admitting that Kobe can be selfish and takes bad shots. You for some reason refuse to admit anything negative about your Mavs even when other posters make good points about Dirk and the Mavs play.

                      It took you all this time to realize I'm a Mavs homer.....

                      But on a serious side, the soft label is b.s, and i don't care what uniform Dirk wears. That was started by a moron Charles Barkley and now you have people on a sportsforum who probably never played a damn game of highschool basketball just using the term based on what Barkley said.

                      What classifies a guy as being soft?

                      And I'm waiting for everyone's response because I have a few NBA players right now that I've done some research on this year that I gurantee not one person on these forums would associate these players with term soft yet they clearly play a similiar style game as Dirk both are 6'10 and up PF's.
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                      • Kashanova
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Aug 2003
                        • 12695

                        #116
                        Re: Dirk whining about Tmac and Kobe and american sports

                        are you saying dirk's tough then and i dont run from anyone so don't worry

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                        • Vince
                          Bow for Bau
                          • Aug 2002
                          • 26017

                          #117
                          Re: Dirk whining about Tmac and Kobe and american sports

                          What classifies a guy as being soft?

                          @ me or dap me

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                          • Playmakers
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Sep 2004
                            • 15418

                            #118
                            Re: Dirk whining about Tmac and Kobe and american sports

                            Originally posted by Kashanova
                            are you saying dirk's tough then and i dont run from anyone so don't worry

                            Would you say Jermain ONeal and Rasheed Wallace are tough guy's?
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                            • Pointguard
                              MVP
                              • Jun 2005
                              • 2977

                              #119
                              Re: Dirk whining about Tmac and Kobe and american sports

                              Originally posted by Kashanova
                              are you saying dirk's tough then and i dont run from anyone so don't worry
                              I'd say he tough. He's definately not physical, never will be, but he is tough. I remember back 2 years ago or so, Dirk has like 8 teeth knocked out in the playoffs, got it fixed and was back in with the Mavs in the 2nd half.

                              Its not that the above example proves everything, but I think people think you have to bang inside or play physical defense to be hard and mean and tough. You dont. Its a weakness that Dirk has and probably will always have, but weaknesses dont make a player soft.

                              Dirk is none of those things and that's why people like to call him that. He'll never be a dominantt postplayer. He'll never be an shot blocking presense or play good, pressure man2man defense. I think Doug Collins one night said it best. Basically Dirk isnt gonna be a great man2man defender ever. He just doesnt have the ability, but he can become a good help defender. He was showing signs of this last year but he's fallen off so far this season IMO.

                              Again, I'd like to hear what is soft? Not pictures of other "soft" players, but define or elaberate on a soft player....

                              Originally posted by Playmakers
                              Would you say Jermain ONeal and Rasheed Wallace are tough guy's?
                              Hell yea they are.

                              Shooting the majority of your FGs as jump shots has nothing to do with being tough or being soft.

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                              • Kashanova
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Aug 2003
                                • 12695

                                #120
                                Re: Dirk whining about Tmac and Kobe and american sports

                                I would consider JO tough how many times compared to JO do you see nowitski trying to contest a shot with a player coming to the basket?

                                also this thing about dirk taking it in is crazy when 84% of his shots this season are jumpshots

                                also i dont see dirk being a good help defender seeing as he never trys to contest anyshots dirk has a pretty oneside game which to me is only defense. To me toughness is define by not being scared to do things like get dunked on and to not get punked stuff, like to me mourning is a tough guy how many guys do you know will try to block vince carter just to help his team win, JO also trys to block shots and there all doing it to win thats why i respect JO's game the guys who get dunked on but also get the blocks i respect, Yao to me is soft but recently i've been seeing him trying to get tougher and not taking anyone $h!t.

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