***Official 2007 NBA Playoffs Discussion Thread***

[daflyboys]

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Nash is not the best player in the league. Sorry.

Nash is probably the best maximizer in the league. Not the best player.

That's what has made him most valuable.....but since the league has become so much one-on-one, that term has become blurred.


Either that or you're anti-Canadien. :wink:

[jmood88]

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Man, Utah has to be the most boring place to go to a game.

[darrenp1518]

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Its unbelievable to me that the Spurs get to the line for 41 free throws and the Jazz only took 20. The Jazz were just as aggressive, the only difference is they didn't flop

[X*Cell]

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Man, Utah has to be the most boring place to go to a game.

really?

I thought they were really loud, and everytime (and I really mean EVERY TIME) the Spurs did something good or got the benefit of a call the crowd boooed.

[X*Cell]

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Its unbelievable to me that the Spurs get to the line for 41 free throws and the Jazz only took 20. The Jazz were just as aggressive, the only difference is they didn't flop

You must not watch Gordan Giricek then.

[luv_mist]

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I think Bill Simmons was probably right when he said a lot of the flopping can be attributed to the European players coming over. They grew up around soccer which is well known for excessive flopping so they figured if it works in soccer surely it'll work in basketball. They were right.

I don't think that it's soccer that they watched as they were growing up but the fact that Stern has continually changed the game to mimic what's overseas. He's trying to turn the game into a money making business instead of trying to preserve the game for what it has been known as for all these years. The more foreign players that come over here, the more the money flows in with them. The fanbase over there is big. Stern is just trying to maximize the amount of money coming into the NBA revenue stream through all those financial means. The largest crowd is the largest ethnicity which are the lighter skinned brothers. I'm not only pointing out that light skinned people flop, because we've been seeing Kobe flop, Fisher flop, Cassell flop, Duncan flop, ect. That's how the game is evolving.

[heitkamp94]

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Its unbelievable to me that the Spurs get to the line for 41 free throws and the Jazz only took 20. The Jazz were just as aggressive, the only difference is they didn't flop

Its pretty much impossible to me to have any sympathy for the Jazz when it comes to flopping, Karl Malone was one the guys who perfected it. It was hilarious how the biggest toughest guy out there could get dropped by any contact. He was a master of the flop, got his arms swinging threw his head back just perfect, and always got the call.

But back to this game, even Boozer was quoted as saying that when the spurs were shooting free throws that we were shooting jumping shots. I find it really ironic that the focus for Utah is now going to be on the refs, just like when Golden State self destructed against them. Enough with the conspiracy allegations, if the NBA conspired to have a team win why would they pick arguably one of the most boring teams to watch, that makes no sense. We're more than likeyly going to have a pistons/spurs finals which to TRUE basketball fans is an appealing series but it definately won't be a big draw to the casual fans and of course your major markets of on the east and west coast, with all the cities that claim to be great "sports towns" but truthfully are fair weather fans who tune in when its cool to.

[jmood88]

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really?

I thought they were really loud, and everytime (and I really mean EVERY TIME) the Spurs did something good or got the benefit of a call the crowd boooed.

I'm not talking about the crowd reaction just going to Utah, where they won't have a show before the game or play anything other than soft rock during games.

[bball_1523]

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I'm not talking about the crowd reaction just going to Utah, where they won't have a show before the game or play anything other than soft rock during games.

I think it's unique that Utah does that. Some arenas play heavy metal, others play rap, others play soft-rock. That is actually good IMO.

It makes it so that every venue is different and has a different feel. So when you go Sacramento, you hear some metallica song and the cowbells ringing and supportive crowds. When you go to atlanta, you barely have anyone showing up, and maybe some rap songs or something. When you go to New York, you have the organ playing and a famous arena setting.

[driddy]

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they aren't weak. a lot of the nba does the same thing with it's flopping, acting, favoritism, superstar calls, or whatever other garbage exists out there.

Duncan is a solid player, he has been unstoppable in the playoffs this year. Manu has been solid since the 2nd round.

In college, flopping is called taking the charge. It's reverred and players are praised for their toughness, for some reason in the NBA you are a puscator for standing in front of someone coming at you full speed. Ginobili is a winner, Duncan is a winner, neither are puscators. The Spurs play tough bball, they are old school, that's why they win championships. I remember when Shaq knocked Robinson down in a game and put him out years ago that Pop didnt start crying to the refs, he sent his third string center in, Phil got the message and pulled Shaq as the game was decided. The point, the players will police the game theselves, not the refs. Utah may be on their way though, if Deron can grow some sack and stop telling us about his owies. This is the way bball is supposed to be played, physical. Stop crying to the refs, they wont win the game for you.

spurs vs pistons is going to be a great series.

[ehh]

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In college, flopping is called taking the charge. It's reverred and players are praised for their toughness

Players in college do not flop on ball screens and on the perimeter like they do in the NBA. Players in college definitely flop when taking charges but that's about it, in the NBA players flop while walking to the scorer's table to check in.

[bball_1523]

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In college, flopping is called taking the charge. It's reverred and players are praised for their toughness, for some reason in the NBA you are a puscator for standing in front of someone coming at you full speed. Ginobili is a winner, Duncan is a winner, neither are puscators. The Spurs play tough bball, they are old school, that's why they win championships. I remember when Shaq knocked Robinson down in a game and put him out years ago that Pop didnt start crying to the refs, he sent his third string center in, Phil got the message and pulled Shaq as the game was decided. The point, the players will police the game theselves, not the refs. Utah may be on their way though, if Deron can grow some sack and stop telling us about his owies. This is the way bball is supposed to be played, physical. Stop crying to the refs, they wont win the game for you.

spurs vs pistons is going to be a great series.

Are you saying the nba doesn't flop? I mean it's pretty obvious because most people here at OS will agree that there is some flopping going on. I'm also not saying that they flop all the time. And also basketball isn't a contact sport. Sure there's some physical contact that is ok, but when you flop that's taking it too far.

[ajaxab]

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It's interesting to watch this back and forth.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The same complainers who are belly-aching about the officiating last night are saying the same things Spurs fans used to say about the Lakers in 2001-2003. Replace Ginobilli with Fisher in terms of flopping and you may as well just read the forums from six or seven years ago.

It's reality. The refs are going to screw your team until you're good enough to play through it. The best teams can overcome this hurdle. The poorer ones can't.

We could go back even further than '01 to talk about bad officiating. Jordan would get mugged by the Pistons without getting any calls in the early 90s. The Bulls would eventually play through it and Jordan would get the benefit of the doubt. All of Utah remembers Jordan's blatant offensive foul on poor Bryon Russell for the game-winning hoop in '97. Pushed him right out of the way before sinking the jumper. Ridiculous that Jordan made it impossible for the guy to have any chance at defending the shot. But he got the call.

Jazz fans will eventually get their day. It's only a matter of time. The same things may one day be said five years from now when Blazer fans complain about how Deron Williams is such a puss for getting away with flopping and how Oden can't get any calls against Boozer.

Once again, we'll have a chance to rewind and press play.

[jmood88]

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It's interesting to watch this back and forth.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The same complainers who are belly-aching about the officiating last night are saying the same things Spurs fans used to say about the Lakers in 2001-2003. Replace Ginobilli with Fisher in terms of flopping and you may as well just read the forums from six or seven years ago.

It's reality. The refs are going to screw your team until you're good enough to play through it. The best teams can overcome this hurdle. The poorer ones can't.

We could go back even further than '01 to talk about bad officiating. Jordan would get mugged by the Pistons without getting any calls in the early 90s. The Bulls would eventually play through it and Jordan would get the benefit of the doubt. All of Utah remembers Jordan's blatant offensive foul on poor Bryon Russell for the game-winning hoop in '97. Pushed him right out of the way before sinking the jumper. Ridiculous that Jordan made it impossible for the guy to have any chance at defending the shot. But he got the call.

Jazz fans will eventually get their day. It's only a matter of time. The same things may one day be said five years from now when Blazer fans complain about how Deron Williams is such a puss for getting away with flopping and how Oden can't get any calls against Boozer.

Once again, we'll have a chance to rewind and press play.

Teams like the Lakers weren't the ones getting screwed by the calls so I don't see what they had to overcome to prove that they were the better team.

[WTF]

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Time for Steve's Refreshing thought of the Day (Brought to you by Coor's Light):

Why is it, that there really isn't a whole lot of complaining after an Eastern Conference game, but the Western Conference supporters are going crazy?

Doesn't it get redundant time and time again, trying to prove your point to someone who isn't listening, or who has their own viewpoint? Let it go, the game is over... look forward to the next one.

EVERY team flops... it happens. If the refs call it, then they get rewarded... if they don't call it... fans of that team will be upset that a foul wasn't called. It's the nature of the beast.