Who is the most complete player in the NBA?

[lbartlett_32]

Re: Who is the most complete player in the NBA?

Even though on the road Kobe is the ONLY one who gets MVP chants...yeah they are overrated.

Even in Boston.

[Kashanova]

Re: Who is the most complete player in the NBA?

Even in Boston.

its different when your team is good, i didnt hear any mvp chants this year

[DTX3]

Re: Who is the most complete player in the NBA?

Even in Boston.

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[DTX3]

Re: Who is the most complete player in the NBA?

its different when your team is good, i didnt hear any mvp chants this year

Yeah because when you dont no one does...SMH.

[lbartlett_32]

Re: Who is the most complete player in the NBA?

its different when your team is good, i didnt hear any mvp chants this year

Not when you are talking about Boston and L.A.

[trobinson97]

Re: Who is the most complete player in the NBA?

[Kashanova]

Re: Who is the most complete player in the NBA?

Not when you are talking about Boston and L.A.

we're not in the 80's anymore man

[malek05]

Re: Who is the most complete player in the NBA?

Kobe's been passing fine the past couple of years, in fact his entire career, just because he shoots a lot doesn't mean he doesn't pass, he just has the ball in his hand a lot, which will translate into high points and assists, but also turnovers. He does NOT have 3 other all stars on his team, and does not need a HOF coach to "make the playoffs." He made the playoffs with Rudy Tamnomovich(sp?) and almost no one on his team, and now that he has ONE other star (and a pretty fine team overall) and Phil Jackson he has a .700 winning percentage, so, that's a lot more successful than "just making the playoffs" which he's done fine the past couple of years in the league.

For the thread, I'd have to go with LeBron or Kobe. LeBron can't make freethrows and Kobe is believed to be a pretty bad teammate at times, so to me it's pretty even.

Odom is an all star...borderline, but yes, he is an all star

Bynum is a future all star, before he went out he was a top 10 big man. He finishes strong around the hoop, catches everything, and rebounds well. Future All star, you could have made a case for him this year before he got hurt

Gasol is an all-star. He took memphis to the playoffs i believe 2 or 3 years in a row with who for help?

He did not make the playoffs with Rudy T...that's why I made the statement about him needing Phil. Don't really care if Rudy got fired, Rudy got tired, Rudy got fingered, he didn't make the playoffs that year...

"Just making the playoffs" is all kobe and phil have done without shaq. First round exits = just making the playoffs...

His passing was "just fine"? When, how, under what circumstance? That year he scored 81 points he also shot more than 3000 shots...I think Odom MAY have shot a 1000 and nobody else was remotely close. 3000 shots...passing is just fine and you shoot it 3000 times? One of those statements is false

"High points and assist" When has Kobe every had high assist? AI gets called a ball hog and he averages a shade over 6 assist for his career. Kobe doesn't even average 5...

Defense is subjective, unless you can statistically show that he consistently guards the other teams star player AND HOLDS THEM MARGINALLY BELOW THERE AVERAGE then defense is nothing more than a matter of opinion. I'm sorry, but if Ray Allen averages 20, and kobe holds him to 18, then he doesn't get any credit for that, and it should be obvious why...

The kobe slurpers in this thread are slipping.

[Cebby]

Re: Who is the most complete player in the NBA?

Odom is an all star...borderline, but yes, he is an all star

He is not. He has never made an All Star team, and at the young age of 28 (29 the next time he'll miss an ASG), he never will.

Bynum is a future all star, before he went out he was a top 10 big man. He finishes strong around the hoop, catches everything, and rebounds well. Future All star, you could have made a case for him this year before he got hurt

Come on now.

Kobe has 1 All Star on his team (Gasol).

Lebron has had 4 this year (Wally, Big Ben, Hughes, and Z). Not received votes for All Star, not future All Stars, but have played in All Star Games All Stars.

[Kashanova]

Re: Who is the most complete player in the NBA?

He is not. He has never made an All Star team, and at the young age of 28 (29 the next time he'll miss an ASG), he never will.



Come on now.

Kobe has 1 All Star on his team (Gasol).

Lebron has had 4 this year (Wally, Big Ben, Hughes, and Z). Not received votes for All Star, not future All Stars, but have played in All Star Games All Stars.

who cares if they played in all star gaes and what not. the point is who has a better team?

[lbartlett_32]

Re: Who is the most complete player in the NBA?

who cares if they played in all star gaes and what not. the point is who has a better team?

Right now Kobe aren't they in first place. In the past few seasons it's been Lebron and playing in the East.

[malek05]

Re: Who is the most complete player in the NBA?

1. He plays in the West. I am sick of always using this, but peole tend to forget how much better the West is. He never missed the playoffs with the Kwame crew. As far as just learning to pass. Easy, he never had anyone who could catch a ball and finish.

2. Who is the third and fourth all star? You got Kobe and Pau, but then......

3. Maybe Phil needs Mike and Kobe to be successful and by successful I mean 3 rings from Kobe and 6 from M.J.

4. Triple doubles you say? Then it is with out a doubt, clear, and cut case of Jason Kidd. (The sarcasm is strong with this one. Beware)

Thank you for participating.

1. The west is better than the east...but just because something is better, doesn't make it good. The last two years there have never been more than 3 good teams in the west: San Antonio, Dallas, and Phoenix. San Antonio is legit, only once was Dallas really perceived to be that good, and Phoenix is a regular season team that runs out of gas. Look at the 4 - 8 teams making the playoffs those two seasons: Denver couldn't make a shot, the clippers hadn't been there in forever, houston couldn't make a shot, the grizzlies never got out of the first round, sacremento was lead by ron artest and bonzi wells, hardly two guys you want to run your offense through. I mean the Hornets were in the running for most of the year and barely had enough players to suit up. If an injury depleted expansion team can compete for a spot, then the conference can't be that good from top to bottom. Top heavy? Maybe. But again, "better" doesn't mean "good"

Extra point: One of those years the lakers was up 3 to 1 on the suns. That should have been a lock, teams up 3 to 1 win something like 95% of the time. The suns had a higher seed, but the lakers were a better team. The suns couldn't even find somebody to match up with kwame freakin brown that series, he owned marion and diaw and thomas (whenever he walked past the three point line on defense) remember that? You don't get lucky 3 out of 4 games in the playoffs. If you win 3 out of 4 at that point your the better team. Kobe was a part of a team that did something that over history has been almost statistically impossible...

2. Like I said previously, Odom is an all-star. 6 "10", handles the rock, plays defense, rebounds, to quick for big men and to big for anybody else. Bynum was a top 10 big man before he got hurt, hell top 8 big man, hell top 7. Had he not been injured he could have made a gripe for not being selected to the all star team this year. Rebounds, blocks shots, place good defense, decent free throw shooter, CATCHES EVERYTHING YOU TOSS TO HIM AROUND THE HOOP.

3. Maybe so. But You can say "Phil has been successful without kobe". Can you say "Kobe has been successful without Phil?"

4. No, Lebrons TD or more phenomenal than kids because he scores a lot of points. As the pg on the team it is a given that kid is going to get 10 assist, and as a player who doesn't shoot very well it is a given that he will score 10, because no one is going to challenge his shot. Lebron TD come from a standstill, the second he crosses half court he is smothered, and defenses are doing everything they can to try and stop him from scoring. Nevermind the sarcasm, I knew someone was going to bring up "Well Jason Kidd blah blah blah". This is OS after all aka "literal city".

Kobe is nothing more than another great player who can't win without having other great players on his team. I've seen lebron make players better and get the most out of teammates thay he can. Can't say the same for Kobe, he seems to be of the mindset of "these dudes are to sorry for me to help them so I am just going to look for my shot".

Slurp harder

[Psyblast]

Re: Who is the most complete player in the NBA?

Slurp harder

Once again, this isn't needed, and you've recently been warned about it. One more, and you'll be taking a break from the forums.

[malek05]

Re: Who is the most complete player in the NBA?

He is not. He has never made an All Star team, and at the young age of 28 (29 the next time he'll miss an ASG), he never will.



Come on now.

Kobe has 1 All Star on his team (Gasol).

Lebron has had 4 this year (Wally, Big Ben, Hughes, and Z). Not received votes for All Star, not future All Stars, but have played in All Star Games All Stars.

All Star selections are nothing more than popularly contest. Every year somebody get's left off that has better numbers than somebody on the team. If you don't think odom is an all star you are kidding yourself, the only thing the above players have on him are FGA. They score more because they shoot more, that's it. The only reason why is ppg is low is because he doesn't shoot very much. He makes 50% of his shots this year, so for every two more he shoots 1 is going in.

Wally is a shooter and that is it. To slow and nonathletic to create his own shot, defense is non existent, has he ever garnered a rebound before?

Big Ben? Are you serious? Big Ben is an all star? C'mon man, I know he made the team a few times...but c'mon, lets be real here. I mean...wow... have you seen him play this year or last year or the series against the heat two years ago?

Larry Hughes? The guy had ONE GOOD CONTRACT YEAR! That's it, that's all. He's spent half of his career shooting below 40%! If you give him odom's FGA per game, he comes away averaging about 8 points. Wow, what a great player. And that's as a 2nd option, that's him being open because the 1st option is doubled. Imagine what it would look like if somebody was actually looking to guard him...

Big Z. You have a legitmate gripe here, I think Big Z is very good and vastly underrated.

Big Z would be a toss up, but if anybody had to pick between Odom and the other three, Odom wins hands down. No GM on earth would trade Odom straight up for Wally, Hughes, or Big Ben. If so, he would have played for Seatle, Cleveland, or Detroit, because all of those teams would have jumped on that deal. So if they won't trade him for an "all star" then obviously...

This is getting silly, I'm done with this thread.

[Tmacattack]

Re: Who is the most complete player in the NBA?

Odom is an all star...borderline, but yes, he is an all star

Bynum is a future all star, before he went out he was a top 10 big man. He finishes strong around the hoop, catches everything, and rebounds well. Future All star, you could have made a case for him this year before he got hurt

Gasol is an all-star. He took memphis to the playoffs i believe 2 or 3 years in a row with who for help?

He did not make the playoffs with Rudy T...that's why I made the statement about him needing Phil. Don't really care if Rudy got fired, Rudy got tired, Rudy got fingered, he didn't make the playoffs that year...

"Just making the playoffs" is all kobe and phil have done without shaq. First round exits = just making the playoffs...

His passing was "just fine"? When, how, under what circumstance? That year he scored 81 points he also shot more than 3000 shots...I think Odom MAY have shot a 1000 and nobody else was remotely close. 3000 shots...passing is just fine and you shoot it 3000 times? One of those statements is false

"High points and assist" When has Kobe every had high assist? AI gets called a ball hog and he averages a shade over 6 assist for his career. Kobe doesn't even average 5...

Defense is subjective, unless you can statistically show that he consistently guards the other teams star player AND HOLDS THEM MARGINALLY BELOW THERE AVERAGE then defense is nothing more than a matter of opinion. I'm sorry, but if Ray Allen averages 20, and kobe holds him to 18, then he doesn't get any credit for that, and it should be obvious why...

The kobe slurpers in this thread are slipping.

OK, Odom, is NOT an all star. The best he's done on the Lakers was last year when he averaged 15.6 ppg and 9.8 rpg, pretty good, but nowhere near All star considering Al Jefferson is averaging 20 and 12 and wasn't voted on the team.

Ok, Bynum is a future all star and was a top 10 big man this year, but what about all the years before? If you're saying Kobe never had team success before this year the Bynum argument makes no sense as before this year he was an ok player with a lot of potential.

Yes Gasol is an all star, he also came a month ago (since then they're 13-2 I believe) and no one is denying that he's very good, I don't see a specific point there.

Ye he "just" made the playoffs without Shaq but both times he's ran into the Suns, which are a pretty good team, so there's no real shame in losing to them with the team he has as support.

AI gets called a ball hog and averages 6 assists but he's played point gaurd a lot, and pg aren't supposed to shoot that much and get more than just 6 apg. Kobe's passing IS just fine. Just because you shoot a lot doesn't mean you're a bad passer. James shoots more per game than Kobe, so according to your logic Kobe's a better passer? Obviously not. He's been averaging 5-6 apg over the last couple of years, so yes, his passing is good.

Are you saying that he plays bad defense? I don't watch him enough to examine his defense, but what I see is pretty fine defense, no laziness and keeps up with his man pretty consistently.