Who is the most complete player in the NBA?

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Re: Who is the most complete player in the NBA?

Do we know if Rudy got his money? I don't see how it would benefit an organization by not being truthful about that specific situation.

In the end whether or not he was forced out it doesn't really matter. Rudy seems like a great guy but I was never too excited about him coaching that Laker team. I'm glad Phil decided he wanted more money.. errrr.. wanted to get more rings. I hope he beats out Red.

Yeah, he got his money because he still works for the Lakers.

PR firms and sports agencies spin all of the time. You think Stan Van Gundy wanted to really spend time with his family from Miami? You think Karl Malone's knee was just sprained in the finals? You knew it was a torn acl. Point being they lie alot, they lied that Ariza's foot was just a sprain. It's common in sports nowadays, especially with the media being so nosy.

Rudy T was only the right coach had he had a dominant big man running the middle but he didn't and so it wasn't going to work anyhow.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Yeah, he got his money because he still works for the Lakers.

PR firms and sports agencies spin all of the time. You think Stan Van Gundy wanted to really spend time with his family from Miami? You think Karl Malone's knee was just sprained in the finals? You knew it was a torn acl. Point being they lie alot, they lied that Ariza's foot was just a sprain. It's common in sports nowadays, especially with the media being so nosy.

Rudy T was only the right coach had he had a dominant big man running the middle but he didn't and so it wasn't going to work anyhow.

See I'm talking about that specific instance for Rudy, it wouldn't have made sense for them to make it look like he quit on his own. As far as injuries and SVG those are completely different.

Injuries are always diagnosed as very optimistic timetables, everyone knew Andrew wouldn't be back in 8 weeks. For Ariza, no they didn't report it as a sprain. It was a break I don't know where you got that from. When it happened in practice my friend texted me he broke a bone by stepping on Lamar's foot, and I read the story on Yahoo. I'll attempt to dig up the reports.

[superjames1992]

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Tim Duncan. He may not be athletic, but he has everything else and has 4 Championship Rings to show for it.

[ex carrabba fan]

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To add on to Andrew, all of the Laker media [KCAL and Fox] all the guys like Ireland, were all saying it could be longer when it first happened. So while the timetable appeared optimistic, it's not like fans were being brainwashed by everyone covering the team. Writers etc. all have kept everyone updated by the minute on his recovery.

The Mailman, yeah he was not right that year. He wanted a ring he was going to play no matter what.

I don't see the spin you're seeing.

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Lakers' Ariza breaks foot in practice, will miss eight weeks

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Updated: January 21, 2008, 10:14 PM ET

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LOS ANGELES -- Lakers forward Trevor Ariza will be out about eight weeks because of a broken right foot, joining center Andrew Bynum on the sidelines.

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Ariza fractured a bone in his foot at practice Sunday and was examined Monday by foot specialist Dr. Ken Jung, who set the timeline for his return. Ariza has averaged 6.5 points and 3.5 rebounds in 24 games since being acquired from Orlando on Nov. 20 for Brian Cook and Maurice Evans.

"It's just another obstacle in the road, but it happens on every team," the 22-year-old Ariza said before Monday night's game against Denver. "I think our team has enough character to where we can pull through this time, and I'm sure we'll find a way to win.

"It's definitely tough for anybody who wants to help their team to sit out. But I can't be bitter about it. I can just take the punches as they come, play my part, and just cheer my team on."

[TMagic]

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Well you sure surprised me.

I was just about to get into comparing the players, but I read your post which reminded me of how Kash does not like Kobe. :wink:

[Kashanova]

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Apparently except shooting threes. He's pretty much dead last in percentage for those who have shot at least 100 threes. 30%. Yikes.

so? there were years were people were saying jordan was the most complete in the game and in those years he would go from anywhere 27% to 42%

[dragon4ever]

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Kobe??? Ha ha ha ha... Maybe offensively, but complete?

He just learned how to pass the ball this year...

Appearently, he can only be sucessful if he has 3 other all stars on his team...


Oh, he also needs to have one of the greatest basketball coaches of all time on his team to be successful... and by successful i mean to even make the playoffs

All around i would have to go with lebron...

I mean a triple double is a pretty good indicator of "all around" talent... lebron has a number of those...

Has kobe ever had one?

[ kobe slurpers insert crass comments here ]

How can LeBron be the most COMPLETE player when his defensive skills are average at best?

[ex carrabba fan]

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so? there were years were people were saying jordan was the most complete in the game and in those years he would go from anywhere 27% to 42%

How can one be considered "easily the most complete player" in your words when you're dead least in 3 point shooting. Makes me question your criteria. As far as you bringing MJ into this, great dude #1 He wasn't one to attempt many. #2 The one knock on MJ was his long range shot. That's why you hear these guys in the media saying certain players are ahead of schedule in terms of being "complete", and I can't say I completely disagree with those talking heads.

3 point attempts for MJ throughout the years. Looks like he only attempted at least 100, six years.
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[ex carrabba fan]

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How can LeBron be the most COMPLETE player when his defensive skills are average at best?

I think his D is underrated, but you bring up a good point here.

[The 24th Letter]

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LeBron CAN be just as physically imposing on defense as he is on offense...i dont know if its b\c of the effort he has to put into scoring or what but he can be pretty good defensively.

[ex carrabba fan]

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LeBron CAN be just as physically imposing on defense as he is on offense...i dont know if its b\c of the effort he has to put into scoring or what but he can be pretty good defensively.

Exactly, he shut down Kobe last game it was great to watch. But he hasn't consistently displayed it. With that question mark I don't know how someone would say "Lebron easily".

[Kashanova]

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Exactly, he shut down Kobe last game it was great to watch. But he hasn't consistently displayed it. With that question mark I don't know how someone would say "Lebron easily".

i think he has shown it consistently.

and i say easily is, he #1 scorer, hes top ten in assists i believe, and one of the tops in rebounding, his defense has been pretty darn good this year, he makes his teammates better then anyone ive seen this year, he has the most clutch points, his 3pt shot is by far his worst asset and even at that he can still hit the shot

[ex carrabba fan]

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i think he has shown it consistently.

and i say easily is, he #1 scorer, hes top ten in assists i believe, and one of the tops in rebounding, his defense has been pretty darn good this year, he makes his teammates better then anyone ive seen this year, he has the most clutch points, his 3pt shot is by far his worst asset and even at that he can still hit the shot

So you're saying he's going to make the All-D team this year?

Easily the number 1 scorer? Two more points more on average than the second highest player.

Bron has the most 4th quarter points, Bryant [who is second] has sat out a lot of entire 4th quarters.

[Bornindamecca]

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Exactly, he shut down Kobe last game it was great to watch. But he hasn't consistently displayed it. With that question mark I don't know how someone would say "Lebron easily".

I'm disappointed in you, Ex. Lebron didn't guard Kobe one on one when they played last time. Gooden and Hughes were shadowing. They were playing a loose zone. Even if you were going to make an argument that Lebron is a good defender, saying that he could shut down Kobe would make him a great defender. In fact, it would make him the best 1 on 1 defender in the league. Clearly that isn't the case, so let's not even look at it in those terms. No one can guard any elite player one on one. They can only make them take bad shots on a consistent enough basis to balance out their talent, and spare the coach from having to double and triple the entire game, which allows them to play the other teammates more honestly. And this goes for most very good, to great players.

As far as whether or not he "can" be a great defender...well anyone can be a great defender. It takes effort and concentration in that area of the game. Lebron just hasn't reached that point in his career where he says "that's it, I want to guard the best player every time". If he did, he'd be guarding a lot of tough covers, because of his speed and size. Sometimes he does, sometimes he doesn't, but it all comes down to defensive fundamentals. I haven't seen Lebron take a charge yet. I haven't seen him force anyone to dribble off of their foot. I haven't even seen him force a terrible shot. His defensive fundamentals aren't there yet, and it's largely because he's an offensive stud out of high school. I'm not sure if he has the lateral quickness to be as good of a defender as Kobe, but he does have the height and jumping ability to bother shots if he learns to stay in front of people, and move them into uncomfortable areas on the court.

All that Lebron/Kobe BS aside, I think "most complete" is a tough call without context. For a big, Rasheed is very, very complete. KG is obvious. For a guard, Kobe is obvious as well, but Manu Ginobli is the second best two way player in the league, IMO. His D, offense and teamwork are at a championship level. No shooting issues either, not even at the line. So my non obvious honorable mention goes to Manu.

[Vince]

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Agreed. Manu has NO flaws in his game whatsoever.