Selfish Players

[Streets]

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I don't think Phil ever tells Kobe to stop scoring.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think once (or twice) Phil told Kobe to pass the ball more, and the next game he threw a temper tantrum and stopped shooting all together. I think I remember watching two games like this (one in the regular season maybe against the Kings, and once in the playoffs).

My memory is faulty but regardless of whether or not Kobe threw a tantrum. I know for a fact that he has been asked to shoot less.

[GSW]

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Same dudes. Same tired posts.

Look man,

im not trying to add fuel to this kobe fire, i know we will end up having an officail kobe thread soon, but the dude is selfish, its okay tho.

i mean kobe only really want sto win if hes the main part of the winning, just watch that gold medal game and you could clearly see he wanted to be the reason they won, after about 6 games of playing ****ty and getting torched by calderon, la bomba, and rudy F. all game, the guy took it upon himself to shoot, sure he had a few nice sports scenter highlights in between but the general premise is...he wants to win so bad, and be THE reason that it makes him look liek an *** on the court quite often.

gift and a curse.

but hes defintely selfish, i dont care if he averaged a triple double, hes a selfish ball player in general....but thats what makes him great.

just stop with the defending of him and acting liek hes not...

but back OT..

Baron Davis.. this guy only really cares about himself, and his "legacy" dude is selfish as hell and i question his desire/love for the game of basketball.

chucking up threes instead of getting teamtes involved in an "open" offense has to be the most selfish thing ever.

and to the peole who are saying my man Ivey is selfish...i disagree completly...hes nto selsifh... he just doesnt trust wack *** teamates...of which hes had his whole Career. WACK *** TEAMATES.

[Brankles]

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Lol, yep you mad. Calling people names like a child cuz they speak truth about your boy. How else could we describe it? That ain't nothing but an e-tantrum. If the thread was really trash as you say, why waste your time posting in it. What's done is done though. Peace

When you look at his argument, I think it's funny that he's the one calling people simpletons. His argument is based on one season, while the "simp" side bases it on multiple seasons, playoff series, NBA Finals, international games, off-the-court issues and EC's own quotes on Kobe's play.

You know when they start name calling, they don't got anywhere else to go with their argument. Like you said, very immature and childish.

[BrianFifaFan]

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Okay guys, back to the topic. Posters shall refrain from calling other posters names. Deserved or not. Thanks for the cooperation. Brian

[ex carrabba fan]

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When you look at his argument, I think it's funny that he's the one calling people simpletons. His argument is based on one season, while the "simp" side bases it on multiple seasons, playoff series, NBA Finals, international games, off-the-court issues and EC's own quotes on Kobe's play.

You know when they start name calling, they don't got anywhere else to go with their argument. Like you said, very immature and childish.

So the point of this thread is to talk about players' pasts? Is that correct? And then we are to disregard the most recent 82 game season plus a Finals appearance, as well as an MVP season? I could have told you that before the past two seasons, Bryant was EASILY the most selfish, self-centered, me- first person on and off the court in sports.

To disregard this last season exposes people. After his outburst in the Summer he sucked it up and made what can only be described as a 180 degree turnaround. On and off the court his teammates all noticed the change.

I have brought up plenty of points other than calling others names. I was not calling Streets a simpleton, it's simpleton thought to simply gloss over everyone [Carmelo Anthony] else and call Bryant the obvious choice for the most selfish player title.

The coaches of Team USA wanted him to take shots. He got the most playing time. To call his play "selfish" is pretty extreme. He had ill-advised shots at times, but overall his play directly contributed to the Gold medal. Of course he wasn't the MVP of the 7 game stretch, but he didn't hinder them at all. Without him I doubt they would have won gold.

So outside of a handful of Olympic games, and a handful of games in the Finals, is there any other pieces of evidence to support the line of thought that Bryant is still selfish? There were a few games both in the Olympics and the Finals where he played about as well as you could ask. People, the same people, seem to nitpick any bit to paint the guy a certain way. It's nothing new.

Someone's opinion I am awaiting is KDRE's. He pays attention to the Lakers probably more than anyone here outside of myself. He has yet to inject his thoughts on Bryant.

[Juice Malone]

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Gilbert Arenas gets my vote.

When i had NBA TV last year they were doing an interview with him. The reporter asks him what would make this upcoming season successful for the Wizards. Arenas cuts her off mid sentence and says, "I'll tell you what its all about. It's about filling up that stat sheet every night" and then he gives her this look like his answer was the only answer that made sense. I was stunned. I mean even the most selfish players will say something about the need for their team to play good, but my boy Gil is on another level.

Him vowing to drop 50 points on the coaches who decided not to pick him for the olympics was weak too. All he did was show them why they made the right choice.

[broncos24]

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i think steve nash is the most selfish player

[broncos24]

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Gilbert Arenas gets my vote.

When i had NBA TV last year they were doing an interview with him. The reporter asks him what would make this upcoming season successful for the Wizards. Arenas cuts her off mid sentence and says, "I'll tell you what its all about. It's about filling up that stat sheet every night" and then he gives her this look like his answer was the only answer that made sense. I was stunned. I mean even the most selfish players will say something about the need for their team to play good, but my boy Gil is on another level.

Him vowing to drop 50 points on the coaches who decided not to pick him for the olympics was weak too. All he did was show them why they made the right choice.

he did score 54 against the suns. 1 out of 2 is not bad.

[OSUFan_88]

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i think steve nash is the most selfish player

Please explain.

[HMcCoy]

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Kobe isn't selfish, hes an attention whore. He plays unselfishly, quite frequently actually. As a matter of fact I'd be willing to bet that Kobe has been one of the top 3 SG's in assists over his career, and will go down as one of the all time scoring playmakers. Problem is whether it be scoring, playmaking, or defending, he does everything in a grandiose, "look at me" way, and he alone decides when and how to do these things or he pouts.

AI is selfish. Ricky Davis is selfish. Zach is selfish. Those dudes don't have an "off" button when it comes to hoisting shots, and really don't do anything else with equal gusto. Kobe works as hard at defending as he does at scoring. Thats not selfish is it? Kobe is spoiled, narcissistic, and hard-headed more than selfish...

Don't get heated EC...Its like a liberal constantly watching Fox news...you should already know what to expect round here. Kobe had an amazing, MVP year as a facilitator, had amazing years as a the leagues deadliest #2 guy, but folks would much prefer to use the Olympic's 6-game sample as "the proof" lol (even tho I agree his gunning was plain bad). Even PJ's book was only about that one season, and not an indictment of Kobes entire career.

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[Bornindamecca]

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Kobe isn't selfish, hes an attention whore. He plays unselfishly, quite frequently actually. As a matter of fact I'd be willing to bet that Kobe has been one of the top 3 SG's in assists over his career, and will go down as one of the all time scoring playmakers. Problem is whether it be scoring, playmaking, or defending, he does everything in a grandiose, "look at me" way, and he alone decides when and how to do these things or he pouts.

AI is selfish. Ricky Davis is selfish. Zach is selfish. Those dudes don't have an "off" button when it comes to hoisting shots, and really don't do anything else with equal gusto. Kobe works as hard at defending as he does at scoring. Thats not selfish is it? Kobe is spoiled, narcissistic, and hard-headed more than selfish...

Don't get heated EC...Its like a liberal constantly watching Fox news...you should already know what to expect round here. Kobe had an amazing, MVP year as a facilitator, had amazing years as a the leagues deadliest #2 guy, but folks would much prefer to use the Olympic's 6-game sample as "the proof" lol (even tho I agree his gunning was plain bad). Even PJ's book was only about that one season, and not an indictment of Kobes entire career.

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Good post.


The forum's rabid obsession with Kobe continues. People never get tired of talking about this dude.

On topic, I pick Jamal Mcgloire.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Kobe isn't selfish, hes an attention whore. He plays unselfishly, quite frequently actually. As a matter of fact I'd be willing to bet that Kobe has been one of the top 3 SG's in assists over his career, and will go down as one of the all time scoring playmakers. Problem is whether it be scoring, playmaking, or defending, he does everything in a grandiose, "look at me" way, and he alone decides when and how to do these things or he pouts.

AI is selfish. Ricky Davis is selfish. Zach is selfish. Those dudes don't have an "off" button when it comes to hoisting shots, and really don't do anything else with equal gusto. Kobe works as hard at defending as he does at scoring. Thats not selfish is it? Kobe is spoiled, narcissistic, and hard-headed more than selfish...

Don't get heated EC...Its like a liberal constantly watching Fox news...you should already know what to expect round here. Kobe had an amazing, MVP year as a facilitator, had amazing years as a the leagues deadliest #2 guy, but folks would much prefer to use the Olympic's 6-game sample as "the proof" lol (even tho I agree his gunning was plain bad). Even PJ's book was only about that one season, and not an indictment of Kobes entire career.

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Hey man, that's a great way to separate the different faucets of "selfish" and to name other guys to back it up. I can't disagree with anything you said.

[HMcCoy]

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Good post.


The forum's rabid obsession with Kobe continues. People never get tired of talking about this dude.

On topic, I pick Jamal Mcgloire.

What cracks me up is that SOOO many players have personal agendas that don't involve winning. We can all agree that Kobes mantra is "the only thing that matters to me is that we win, and I get the credit" yet Kobe is the most selfish? At least his selfishness includes taking personal responsibility for WINNING GAMES and not just for furthuring endorsement deals, stuffing stat sheets or setting ones self up for movie deals.

The horror.

[Brankles]

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Kobe isn't selfish, hes an attention whore. He plays unselfishly, quite frequently actually. As a matter of fact I'd be willing to bet that Kobe has been one of the top 3 SG's in assists over his career, and will go down as one of the all time scoring playmakers. Problem is whether it be scoring, playmaking, or defending, he does everything in a grandiose, "look at me" way, and he alone decides when and how to do these things or he pouts.

AI is selfish. Ricky Davis is selfish. Zach is selfish. Those dudes don't have an "off" button when it comes to hoisting shots, and really don't do anything else with equal gusto. Kobe works as hard at defending as he does at scoring. Thats not selfish is it? Kobe is spoiled, narcissistic, and hard-headed more than selfish...

Don't get heated EC...Its like a liberal constantly watching Fox news...you should already know what to expect round here. Kobe had an amazing, MVP year as a facilitator, had amazing years as a the leagues deadliest #2 guy, but folks would much prefer to use the Olympic's 6-game sample as "the proof" lol (even tho I agree his gunning was plain bad). Even PJ's book was only about that one season, and not an indictment of Kobes entire career.

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No one is using only the Olympics as proof that Kobe Bryant is a selfish basketball player. I don't get why you and EC keep repeating the same tired line. This was explained earlier, but conveniently ignored and twisted to the apologist's liking.

Getting assists doesn't make you an unselfish basketball player. In arguably his most selfish seasons in Cleveland 2002-2004, Ricky Davis (who you listed as a selfish player) averaged around 5.5 assists a game. Kobe averaged 5.4 this season, and with more turnovers.

Playing defense doesn't make you an unselfish basketball player. Allen Iverson (who you listed as a selfish player) is considered one of the peskiest defenders of all time who averages 2.3 spg for his career, compared to Kobe's 1.5. AI is one of the most passionate ballers in the league today, but that still doesn't keep everyone from recognizing that he takes a lot of bad shots and has been doing so throughout his career. He also averages 6.3 apg in his career, well ahead of Kobe's 4.6 apg.

There's no consistency in your argument.

[ex carrabba fan]

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And I don't know why you continue to disregard the 82 game season + playoffs + Finals + MVP.