Which Players Have the Most Overrated POTENTIAL In The NBA???

[fluent2332]

Re: Which Players Have the Most Overrated POTENTIAL In The NBA???

No other team can claim 2 of the top 3 shooters at their position (Peja being the number one pure shooter from his position, West probably 2nd behind Dirk), an athletic big who you can throw the ball to anywhere above the rim (plus Hilton Armstrong is Chandler Lite), and a 3 point marksman on the floor at all times (Posey/Butler/Peterson/Devin Brown). The system and personnel make Paul look better than he is and inflate his stats. He's good but he's not a god like some people say he is. Talk about court spacing for him to get to the rim too. Every big man has to step out on West, forwards have to stick to Peja and the wing shooters, it goes on and on. And was anyone watching when Nash was destroying the league a few years back? That Nash was way more dangerous than this Paul. Even an old Jason Kidd has better pure court vision than Paul. Obviously I'm not saying Paul sucks, but if he's a god than what does that make those others I mentioned? Parker and Williams to me are 1a/1b, paul 1c. I know it's not the herd's opinion but I watch the games and this is what I see.

[PrettyT11]

Re: Which Players Have the Most Overrated POTENTIAL In The NBA???

No other team can claim 2 of the top 3 shooters at their position (Peja being the number one pure shooter from his position, West probably 2nd behind Dirk), an athletic big who you can throw the ball to anywhere above the rim (plus Hilton Armstrong is Chandler Lite), and a 3 point marksman on the floor at all times (Posey/Butler/Peterson/Devin Brown). The system and personnel make Paul look better than he is and inflate his stats. He's good but he's not a god like some people say he is. Talk about court spacing for him to get to the rim too. Every big man has to step out on West, forwards have to stick to Peja and the wing shooters, it goes on and on. And was anyone watching when Nash was destroying the league a few years back? That Nash was way more dangerous than this Paul. Even an old Jason Kidd has better pure court vision than Paul. Obviously I'm not saying Paul sucks, but if he's a god than what does that make those others I mentioned? Parker and Williams to me are 1a/1b, paul 1c. I know it's not the herd's opinion but I watch the games and this is what I see.

What the hell are you talking about?? First of all Peja isn't the best pure shooter at his position. Have you ever heard the name Kapono?? West isn't close to being the second best shooting PF. Garnett, Troy Murphy, Bargnani, Amare, Jamison and many others are better shooters than West.

Did you just call Devin Brown a 3 points marksman??
The same Devin Brown that is shooting 27 percent from 3 and is barely a 33 percent career 3 point shooter. He is far from a marksman. Let's not talk about Posey cause Paul was 20 and 10 before Posey ever got there. Don't mention Mo Pete either. He is another guy who doesn't play alot and hasn't played in a month.

Armstrong is stiff who barely sees the court. The only reason he has seen more PT this year is cause of all of their injuries. Speaking of injuries just look at this years team EVERY player you named has all missed time with injuries. Chandler has missed 20 games, Mo Pete who is garbage anyway has missed tons of time and won't be back anytime soon, and every player on that team numbers is down from last year EXCEPT Paul. So if it is a system thing then how is EVERYBODY on the team not named Chris Paul numbers go down??

If CP3 is such a system PG then how come every other PG that has played there hasn't done jack and can't stay on the team?? How come Kidd is the only other PG to have success under Scott?? System don't make 20 and 10 PG's.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: Which Players Have the Most Overrated POTENTIAL In The NBA???

First, Rajon Rondo is a top 3 PG and now Chris Paul is overrated.

So this is what the NBA forum has come to now?

[johnny4LSU]

Re: Which Players Have the Most Overrated POTENTIAL In The NBA???

To those saying Rondo would score more on a team if he was a 1st or 2nd option are smoking crack. Rondo can't shoot! Rondo can't even hit FTs consistently! If Rondo didn't have good players around him, and he was the focal point of the defense, his numbers would take a MAJOR nosedive.

To whoever says Chris Paul is overrated as a playmaker, you're also smoking that stuff too. CP3 can make every type of pass, he'd efficient as a scorer, he understands tempo, etc...

I do agree his assist numbers are probably inflated due to NO's system, but he's still a top PG in the NBA. Paul and Williams are 1a and 1b as far as I'm concerned. They are basically even as far as points and assists go (despite Paul averaging 20+ to WIlliams 19, and Paul 11 assists to Williams' 10), but the fact that Paul averages more rebounds doesn't necessarily make him a better rebounder if that makes any sense. Sometimes Paul takes the rebound himself and start the break. In Utah, Williams may box out for one of his bigs and they get the rebound to pass it to him.

Paul also doesn't play with the athletes that Williams does. Rasual Butler and Peja are not quick to the ball, and West and Chandler are good rebounders, so they may get boxed out, which allows a quick Paul to get to the ball. In Utah, Williams plays with athletic wings and has 2 PFs that are great rebounders (Boozer and Milsap) and Okur is tall enough to grab boards. Its just not Williams responsibility to grab boards.

Amen Po Pimp,, i said the samething about rondo and someone in this thread got bent outta shape ,,saying dont even try to start an arguement LOLOL but yea dude i agree with you i dont think he would have the same numbers on another team and yeah great post my dude

[ProfessaPackMan]

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http://www.knickerblogger.net/?p=1262

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</td> <td style="background-image: url(/vBulletin/images/quotes/00.gif); width: 100%; height: 1px;" width="100%"> Really good video breakdown of how the Knicks beat the Celtics. A defensive scheme whereby Jared Jeffries doubled -- leaving Rajon Rondo with open jumpers -- was the key. Also, Boston's defense was a little sluggish, as you'll see. Rondo is shooting a brilliant 52% this season, as good as any point guard. How can you leave him open? A peek at NBA.com's hot zones reveals he has made 127 of his 205 shots at the rim. Everywhere else on the floor, however, he is a miserable 23 of 85. That's right. According to NBA.com, Rondo has hit a total of 23 buckets not at the rim, all season. He has played 1100 minutes over 35 games, so that's about one made jumper per 48 minutes played. And even though he is being left open game after game, he's still taking it to the rim again and again -- as reflected in his 205 shots at the cup, compared to 85 from elsewhere. Nevertheless, he's a great player. With the right shooting coach, and some real dedication on his part, he could be insanely good.
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Here's another good site to use to see why exactly his high FG% is flawed:

http://www.nba.com/hotspots/

Compare this season to last season and tell me if you don't see a dramatic difference.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: Which Players Have the Most Overrated POTENTIAL In The NBA???

http://www.knickerblogger.net/?p=1262


Here's another good site to use to see why exactly his high FG% is flawed:

http://www.nba.com/hotspots/

Compare this season to last season and tell me if you don't see a dramatic difference.

Yeah that chart shows exactly why I said he finishes around the rim as well as any other pg in the league. It's no secret the man hasn't developed his perimeter game.

That doesn't mean FG% is flawed, it means the dude gets to the rack and finishes there at will. Albeit with all of that help from his buds. For a PG still impressive nonetheless.

Only one person in here is making him out to be a HOFer. Let's not concentrate on that discussion

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: Which Players Have the Most Overrated POTENTIAL In The NBA???

I agree EC. My last time commenting on him. I actually didier mean to even continue it and should've left it dead.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: Which Players Have the Most Overrated POTENTIAL In The NBA???

Those charts are crazy though. Good stuff

[ProfessaPackMan]

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The Dude has also made a drastic improvement in his shot from last year to this year.

[P2K]

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This is what I was saying. More efficient scorer than Kidd. Nooo. I looked up the ol' 82games.com and rarely do you see perimeter players score more from close shots than jumpers. Well, this year, Rondo is getting 6.9 of his points from inside shots alone. 2.6 are from jumpers. Wow. Even Kidd scores way more off jumpers/outside than inside.

[Brandon13]

Re: Which Players Have the Most Overrated POTENTIAL In The NBA???

First, Rajon Rondo is a top 3 PG and now Chris Paul is overrated.

So this is what the NBA forum has come to now?

It's just the NBA board being the NBA board.

[NBA2k8 CHAMP]

Re: Which Players Have the Most Overrated POTENTIAL In The NBA???

This is what I was saying. More efficient scorer than Kidd. Nooo. I looked up the ol' 82games.com and rarely do you see perimeter players score more from close shots than jumpers. Well, this year, Rondo is getting 6.9 of his points from inside shots alone. 2.6 are from jumpers. Wow. Even Kidd scores way more off jumpers/outside than inside.

2 points is 2 points why does it matter where you score at? Kidd's highest fg% is 44% and shoots upper 30% lower 40% on a regualr basis he was never a effecient scorer except for maybe a couple seasons.

I never said he was a hof mer, matter of fact I said he had along way to go to even get to that level so get your facts straight before you put words in people mouths.Potential is what this thread is about and I said he has the potential to be better than Kidd NOT THAT HE'S BETTER.

[DC]

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I am still not understanding why Rondo WOULDN'T score MORE (than what he is currently scoring) if he was on another team where he was the 1st or 2nd option

Nobody is saying he would average 25; but to say he wouldn't score more? I don't understand.

So what if he can't shoot; he would be chuckin it up and he would be making SOMETHING just because of the number of shots he would be taking

[Bornindamecca]

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The issue is he wouldn't score more points in the same way that he's coring right now, at such a high percentage. He wouldn't see the same looks he's seeing when you have three guys that can't be doubled off of, and one guy that has to be boxed out. That leaves Rondo's defender as a help guy, or a sag off guy looking over his shoulder, and allows Rondo--because of his quickness--to drive unabated a lot of the time.

Also helping him is the Celtics' system, which is a credit to everyone at the Boston organization, Rondo included. But it's not because of his skill set as a scorer. It's because he's disciplined enough to capitalize on the system.

[NBA2k8 CHAMP]

Re: Which Players Have the Most Overrated POTENTIAL In The NBA???

All he needs is a few shooters and a big than they still can't help much

He could have this lineup and still do well

Perkins
Al Jefferson
Pierce
----Shooter um lets see Korver,Battie,etc...
Rondo