Dennis Rodman: Blackballed From the HOF?

[Pappy Knuckles]

Is Rodman going to ever get into the Hall of Fame? When you think about the impact he used to have defensively and on the boards it should've already been a no-brainer. It's been more than 5 years and I'm not even sure if the guy has even been nominated. Is his reputation keeping him out?

[Cebby]

Re: Dennis Rodman: Blackballed From the HOF?

2 time 3rd team All NBA players don't belong in the Hall

[Pappy Knuckles]

Re: Dennis Rodman: Blackballed From the HOF?

2 time 3rd team All NBA players don't belong in the Hall

C'mon man. He led the league in rebounding for 7 straight seasons, got 2 defensive player of the year awards, and was on 5 championship teams. He's not HOF worthy?

[Gibbz]

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Rodman definitely belongs in The Hall, IMO. He led the NBA in rebounding for nearly a decade, was great defensively, and he's definitely a memorable enough figure to get in.

Shame if he never makes it.

[LingeringRegime]

Re: Dennis Rodman: Blackballed From the HOF?

I agree he should be in the HOF. Not to mention he brought in the Tattoo Revolution. :wink:

[pietasterp]

Re: Dennis Rodman: Blackballed From the HOF?

Short answer: yes, he's being blackballed. He will never get into the Hall of Fame, because he's too much of a head-case and the league doesn't like to enshrine nut-jobs. It's too bad, because the guy's numbers (as previously pointed out) speak for themselves, and he was one of the best defensive players in the league for the better part of a decade. His bizarre behavior and even stranger post-NBA life have overshadowed the fact that he was an amazing rebounder/defender of the highest caliber on two of the best teams of the 80's and 90's.

[55]

Re: Dennis Rodman: Blackballed From the HOF?

Very deserving of the HoF in my opinion. He's the greatest rebounder I have ever seen.

[HMcCoy]

Re: Dennis Rodman: Blackballed From the HOF?

I think I'm with Cebby on this one. He was the leagues dominant rebounding force for quite awhile, and rebounds are considered a defensive stat, thus the multiple all-D love...but while he was a pesky post defender (think Varejao...liked to invade your space and draw contact) he wasn't much of a steals or blocks guy, and looking over his career numbers i'm completely blown away that he never averaged over 1 of either. I know stats aren't everything, and blocks and steals do not a good defender make, but then again, you don't have to be Hakeem or the Glove to at least get one block/steal per game...even the RuPaul of big men can get you one swat, lol. Says alot about how mediocre a help defender he was, and that he didn't battle for alot of deflections. Given those numbers, it's kinda tough for me give him the defensive props that nostalgia lays on him, and like Soldier said, the lack of All-NBA credentials kinda' says it all, IMO. This may get me flamed, but Ben Wallace in his Detroit prime was 10x's the player Rodman was.

Combine that with the antics on and off the court, I can see why the Worm only went to 2 All-Star games. He was premium glue, and his rings attest to that but I dunno about HOF.

[Mo_Magic]

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I think I'm with Cebby on this one. He was the leagues dominant rebounding force for quite awhile, and rebounds are considered a defensive stat, thus the multiple all-D love...but while he was a pesky post defender (think Varejao...liked to invade your space and draw contact) he wasn't much of a steals or blocks guy, and looking over his career numbers i'm completely blown away that he never averaged over 1 of either. I know stats aren't everything, and blocks and steals do not a good defender make, but then again, you don't have to be Hakeem or the Glove to at least get one block/steal per game...even the RuPaul of big men can get you one swat, lol. Says alot about how mediocre a help defender he was, and that he didn't battle for alot of deflections. Given those numbers, it's kinda tough for me give him the defensive props that nostalgia lays on him, and like Soldier said, the lack of All-NBA credentials kinda' says it all, IMO. This may get me flamed, but Ben Wallace in his Detroit prime was 10x's the player Rodman was.

Combine that with the antics on and off the court, I can see why the Worm only went to 2 All-Star games. He was premium glue, and his rings attest to that but I dunno about HOF.

Nostalgia never laid those claims on him... he earned those claims when he was playing. You don't win two defensive player of the year awards, seven all nba team awards, and seven rebounding titles... straight... with mediocre "defensive" stats without being a great defensive player.

Rodman is one of the top defenders of all time on-ball and is one of the greatest players of angles and positions as well... to really say otherwise, based off of meaningless defensive statistics(unless you're average is significantly higher than a good percentage of the leagues) is just... disrespectful to the awesome defensive player he was.

[HMcCoy]

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Nostalgia never laid those claims on him... he earned those claims when he was playing. You don't win two defensive player of the year awards, seven all nba team awards, and seven rebounding titles... straight... with mediocre "defensive" stats without being a great defensive player.

Rodman is one of the top defenders of all time on-ball and is one of the greatest players of angles and positions as well... to really say otherwise, based off of meaningless defensive statistics(unless you're average is significantly higher than a good percentage of the leagues) is just... disrespectful to the awesome defensive player he was.

I think you mean 7 All-D teams.

Look, on some things we agree. He was a monster rebounder and made his defensive rep at the three with the Bad Boys, which was his peak. But lets be honest, he also padded his rebound stats chasing loose balls and scrambling for team boards (opponent misses heading out of bounds...a needless rebound, you get possesion anyway, lol) as his career wore on. There is a reason he was near Wilt and Russell rebound averages at only 6'7" to 6'8" tall. The stats don't reflect those gimmes he would sell out for, and if you're over 30 years old and got to watch him during those years, you'll probably remember that pretty much everyone knew his shtick. He made getting boards, no matter where they were, his "thing"...his gimmick. Ask yourself why his 2nd All-NBA award came after his crazy rebound averages had declined for a 4th straight season.

In the end, just like getting tons of blocks and steals don't make you great defender, getting them at a completely mediocre pace is not something you can ignore either. Defense is not just on-ball. Its not just getting boards. And while I appreciate that what Rodman was good at, he was MAGNIFICENT at, being average at nearly everything else is why he was considered one of the leagues very best players only twice in fourteen years...even with ridiculous rebound numbers and ferocious on ball defense. Again, nearly all of his accolades (2 All-Stars, 2 DPOYs, 1 All NBA) came when the Bad Boys were dominant, and we all know on-ball defense is easier to play when you have great defenders around you (Joe D, Spider), and enforcers behind you (Laimbeer, Edwards, Aguirre, Mahorn) but thats another can of worms, no pun intended. After the Detroit years, he was recognized on one 3rd team All-NBA team to go with his regular All-D team selections. And if that makes him one of the All-Time great defenders, then so is Kobe.

Uh Oh.

IMO, thats *maybe* HOF career. Being one of the great characters of the league has to count for something too, but his lack of props after the Bad Boys could have something to do with questionable focus (and occasional inability to keep his shoes on) and some very real mental issues...but I digress. Bottom line, if you love Rodman, or any player, everything against him is just meaningless stats. Meaningless to you. I'll end here because being unsold on his HOF status is going to be mad unpopular, and kick off alot of fond memories and declerations that Rodman was the GDAT...and I hate arguing against players I really liked alot...so have fun.

[yvesdereuter]

Re: Dennis Rodman: Blackballed From the HOF?

Rodman definitely belongs in The Hall, IMO. He led the NBA in rebounding for nearly a decade, was great defensively, and he's definitely a memorable enough figure to get in.

Shame if he never makes it.

He should be in the HOF. The guy was an integral part of 5 NBA championship teams. Plus he might be the greates rebounder to ever play given the era he played in. Plus its not just the rebounding. This is a guy who took care of all the dirty work that goes on in the trenches. Loose balls, intimidation, rebounding,...the guy did all of that and didnt care about scoring.

[~LiverpoolRed~]

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He should be in the HOF. The guy was an integral part of 5 NBA championship teams. Plus he might be the greates rebounder to ever play given the era he played in. Plus its not just the rebounding. This is a guy who took care of all the dirty work that goes on in the trenches. Loose balls, intimidation, rebounding,...the guy did all of that and didnt care about scoring.

Co-Sign. One of my favorite players of all-time. I've never seen anyone chase down a loose ball like him. He dove after everything, even if it was impossible for him to keep it in play he lunged for it.

[KG]

Re: Dennis Rodman: Blackballed From the HOF?

I think you mean 7 All-D teams.

Look, on some things we agree. He was a monster rebounder and made his defensive rep at the three with the Bad Boys, which was his peak. But lets be honest, he also padded his rebound stats chasing loose balls and scrambling for team boards (opponent misses heading out of bounds...a needless rebound, you get possesion anyway, lol) as his career wore on. There is a reason he was near Wilt and Russell rebound averages at only 6'7" to 6'8" tall. The stats don't reflect those gimmes he would sell out for, and if you're over 30 years old and got to watch him during those years, you'll probably remember that pretty much everyone knew his shtick. He made getting boards, no matter where they were, his "thing"...his gimmick. Ask yourself why his 2nd All-NBA award came after his crazy rebound averages had declined for a 4th straight season.

In the end, just like getting tons of blocks and steals don't make you great defender, getting them at a completely mediocre pace is not something you can ignore either. Defense is not just on-ball. Its not just getting boards. And while I appreciate that what Rodman was good at, he was MAGNIFICENT at, being average at nearly everything else is why he was considered one of the leagues very best players only twice in fourteen years...even with ridiculous rebound numbers and ferocious on ball defense. Again, nearly all of his accolades (2 All-Stars, 2 DPOYs, 1 All NBA) came when the Bad Boys were dominant, and we all know on-ball defense is easier to play when you have great defenders around you (Joe D, Spider), and enforcers behind you (Laimbeer, Edwards, Aguirre, Mahorn) but thats another can of worms, no pun intended. After the Detroit years, he was recognized on one 3rd team All-NBA team to go with his regular All-D team selections. And if that makes him one of the All-Time great defenders, then so is Kobe.

Uh Oh.

IMO, thats *maybe* HOF career. Being one of the great characters of the league has to count for something too, but his lack of props after the Bad Boys could have something to do with questionable focus (and occasional inability to keep his shoes on) and some very real mental issues...but I digress. Bottom line, if you love Rodman, or any player, everything against him is just meaningless stats. Meaningless to you. I'll end here because being unsold on his HOF status is going to be mad unpopular, and kick off alot of fond memories and declerations that Rodman was the GDAT...and I hate arguing against players I really liked alot...so have fun.

You're talking 1-2 per game tops. At 6'7 what he did was incredible. He was a great positional player on defense and on the boards. I agree he was more of a nuisance type player but he was very cerebral on defense and always in the right place for rebounds.

I'm up in the air about his HOF status but if someone like Big Shot Bob gets in then Rodman deserves to be in.

Financially he needs to get in so he can attach that "Hall of Famer" in front of his name. He needs the cash.

[ehh]

Re: Dennis Rodman: Blackballed From the HOF?

I never, ever thought "Hall of Famer" while watching Rodman play.

[BiggD]

Re: Dennis Rodman: Blackballed From the HOF?

One of my favourite players.. i never gave a crap about the "off the court" stuff. This guy came to work every night

he deserves to be in the HOF