Dennis Rodman: Blackballed From the HOF?

[AlexBrady]

Re: Dennis Rodman: Blackballed From the HOF?

Sure you say. Thats funny though that you are the ONLY one saying this story. There have been more than one Spurs fan come in here and say that have no knowledge of this Rodman story you speak of.

So let me get this straight when Hakeem was giving Robinson buckets it was all on him but when he was giving Rodman buckets when he was guarding him it was nothing??Alright man that makes no sense at all. If you are guarding the man and he gives you buckets it is on you no matter who you are.

Again Rodman could have been replaced on that Bulls team. The fact that they won three rings BEFORE he got there show this. He was repacable by around 10 guys. Again let's not exaggerate he was NOT the ace defender on that Bulls team. Pippen was. The outside was locked down with Pippen and jordan out there. All that team needed was somebody to play some post D and get rebounds and they would have won regardless.



So let me get this straight. Rodman played more the 3 pretty much all his time in Detroit and then went to the 4. So you are telling me that he was a good as the likes of Bird, Pippen, Worthy, Malone, Barkley, Wilkens, and Mullins?? If you believe any of that you have less basketball knowledge than I thought.



Thats the problem with that whole argument so no need to comment on the enitre thing. You can't just keep it NBA cause the Hall of Fame takes into account EVERYTHING. ABA numbers can not just be disregarded as nothing.



Alright man you can continue to believe that if you want to. He was one of the qiuckest centers around. The statment that he was targeted by the other teams offense if one of the most foolish things I have heard in a while but it is not as bad ad dude comparing Rodman to Bill Russell.

Rodman was able to at least impede Hakeem. Never said he was shut down entirely. Fact is, that Robinson yielded more points to the Dream.

You are belittling Rodman's impact on the Bulls. Bird was better than Rodman, Pippen was better, Malone was inferior, Barkley was inferior, what the hell is Mullin doing there? Anyways, Mullin was one dimensional and thus inferior, Wilkens was equal, and Worthy was equal. I have been watching this game a long time and broken down coutless game tape. You are making the classic mistake of looking at stats to justify players being superior to one another. Evaluating a player takes more work than that.

The ABA was the inferior league by a long shot and stop looking at numbers so much my friend and I only take into account what happens at the highest level in the world.

[ehh]

Re: Dennis Rodman: Blackballed From the HOF?

He was a dominant defender and rebounder. Yes, he was at the top of the league at his position. Kerr and Horry aren't even in Rodman's class.

You are vastly overrating Rodman's overall defensive abilities. He was a great help defender but his on-ball defense was far from dominant.

[AlexBrady]

Re: Dennis Rodman: Blackballed From the HOF?

Of course it is but that doesn't mean you shouldn't be in the HOF if you weren't an amazing clutch player.

You have to at least be competent. Robinson was inept in clutch time.

[AlexBrady]

Re: Dennis Rodman: Blackballed From the HOF?

You are vastly overrating Rodman's overall defensive abilities. He was a great help defender but his on-ball defense was far from dominant.

He was a dominant on ball defender who used whatever tactics necessary to get the job done. Don't forget how he rattled opposing players psyches.

[PrettyT11]

Re: Dennis Rodman: Blackballed From the HOF?

Rodman isn't Bill Russell like you said but he was still a dominant force on the defensive end and in the rebounding game. You are overrating Robinson's offensive reportoire. In truth, it was very limited as most of his points came on foul line jumpers or he would use a very mediocre head fake after he drove with his left hand into the middle of the lane. Sometimes the defender would buy his head fake but most times the fake failed and Robinson was forced into a low percentage shot. His other points came off put backs and uncomplicated dunks and layups. His post moves were bested by many. Oh and don't forget that Robinson couldn't handle the ball or pass well.

Robinson wasn't a good rebounder in crowd and he couldn't guard his own man. He was a good weak side shot blocker. Did Rodman's great defense and rebounding trump Robinson's limited offensive reportoire, solid rebounding, and mediocre on ball defense? I say yes.

Again man here you go with the over exaggerations. I could agree with SOME of what you say if you didn't greatly over exaggerate it to try to prove a point. Correct me if I wrong but isn't the objective on the offensive end is to put the ball in the basket?? I don't care how many ways he could do it the fact is he did it MORE than anybody else playing his position.

Umm he was far more than just a good shot blocker. There you go again with the exaggerations. You don't rank 4th ALL TIME in shots blocking if you are just GOOD. Beofre the injury he was number 3 all time. That is far from GOOD. If he was just GOOD at that then everybody else was just OK.

The more accurate breakdown would be does Robinson's great scoring, shot blocking, damn good rebounding, and basketball IQ trump Rodman's great rebounding and defense. The answer is yes. The truth is Robinson exceled in all three areas of the game and lead the league in scoring in ALL THREE areas while Rodman only exceled in two.

[KG]

Re: Dennis Rodman: Blackballed From the HOF?

Rodman isn't Bill Russell like you said but he was still a dominant force on the defensive end and in the rebounding game. You are overrating Robinson's offensive reportoire. In truth, it was very limited as most of his points came on foul line jumpers or he would use a very mediocre head fake after he drove with his left hand into the middle of the lane. Sometimes the defender would buy his head fake but most times the fake failed and Robinson was forced into a low percentage shot. His other points came off put backs and uncomplicated dunks and layups. His post moves were bested by many. Oh and don't forget that Robinson couldn't handle the ball or pass well.

Robinson wasn't a good rebounder in crowd and he couldn't guard his own man. He was a good weak side shot blocker. Did Rodman's great defense and rebounding trump Robinson's limited offensive reportoire, solid rebounding, and mediocre on ball defense? I say yes.

There are so many holes in this post I don't know where to begin.

Overrating a career 20pt scorer who won an NBA Scoring title? If his game was predictable or underwhelming ,why he was able to score at the clip he was? You say uncomplicated dunks like you get bonus points for making a dunk more difficult. He could handle the ball very well for a 7 footer considering he scored a lot of his points of face-ups.

Please tell me this is you and that all you are doing is regurgatating Charley Rosen. I'll respect your opinion more if you man up and are honest.

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[ehh]

Re: Dennis Rodman: Blackballed From the HOF?

He was a dominant on ball defender who used whatever tactics necessary to get the job done. Don't forget how he rattled opposing players psyches.

He wasn't, he had his fair share of elite front court players going off against him.

[mvb34]

Re: Dennis Rodman: Blackballed From the HOF?

Short answer: yes, he's being blackballed. He will never get into the Hall of Fame, because he's too much of a head-case and the league doesn't like to enshrine nut-jobs. It's too bad, because the guy's numbers (as previously pointed out) speak for themselves, and he was one of the best defensive players in the league for the better part of a decade. His bizarre behavior and even stranger post-NBA life have overshadowed the fact that he was an amazing rebounder/defender of the highest caliber on two of the best teams of the 80's and 90's.

But its not the NBA Hall of Fame its the Basketball Hall of Fame so that wouldn't hold him back.

[AlexBrady]

Re: Dennis Rodman: Blackballed From the HOF?

Again man here you go with the over exaggerations. I could agree with SOME of what you say if you didn't greatly over exaggerate it to try to prove a point. Correct me if I wrong but isn't the objective on the offensive end is to put the ball in the basket?? I don't care how many ways he could do it the fact is he did it MORE than anybody else playing his position.

Umm he was far more than just a good shot blocker. There you go again with the exaggerations. You don't rank 4th ALL TIME in shots blocking if you are just GOOD. Beofre the injury he was number 3 all time. That is far from GOOD. If he was just GOOD at that then everybody else was just OK.

The more accurate breakdown would be does Robinson's great scoring, shot blocking, damn good rebounding, and basketball IQ trump Rodman's great rebounding and defense. The answer is yes. The truth is Robinson exceled in all three areas of the game and lead the league in scoring in ALL THREE areas while Rodman only exceled in two.

Shot blocks are compiled through longetivity and gambles. He was a good shot blocker like I said. He just didn't have as many ways to score as other Hall of Famers did. No step throughs,no up and unders, no convincing head fakes, no leaners, no bank jobs, no hooks over either shoulder, and no drop steps. It was just an average reportoire bolstered by all the touches he got. He was a very good stat compiler, too bad I am not a stat guy. He was a very solid rebounder compared to a good rebounder like say Dwight Howard. Unfortuately, he doomed himself by choking in the big moments much of the time.

[AlexBrady]

Re: Dennis Rodman: Blackballed From the HOF?

There are so many holes in this post I don't know where to begin.

Overrating a career 20pt scorer who won an NBA Scoring title? If his game was predictable or underwhelming ,why he was able to score at the clip he was? You say uncomplicated dunks like you get bonus points for making a dunk more difficult. He could handle the ball very well for a 7 footer considering he scored a lot of his points of face-ups.

Please tell me this is you and that all you are doing is regurgatating Charley Rosen. I'll respect your opinion more if you man up and are honest.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...7122749AAsY2YN

His numbers were bolstered by all his touches and there are many players past and present who had a better skill set in the box. I'm not saying he was a slouch of a scorer, just saying he would best be suited as a 2nd or 3rd option.

[PrettyT11]

Re: Dennis Rodman: Blackballed From the HOF?

Rodman was able to at least impede Hakeem. Never said he was shut down entirely. Fact is, that Robinson yielded more points to the Dream.

You are belittling Rodman's impact on the Bulls. Bird was better than Rodman, Pippen was better, Malone was inferior, Barkley was inferior, what the hell is Mullin doing there? Anyways, Mullin was one dimensional and thus inferior, Wilkens was equal, and Worthy was equal. I have been watching this game a long time and broken down coutless game tape. You are making the classic mistake of looking at stats to justify players being superior to one another. Evaluating a player takes more work than that.

The ABA was the inferior league by a long shot and stop looking at numbers so much my friend and I only take into account what happens at the highest level in the world.

Of course Robinson gave up more points he spent more time guarding him lol. But no Rodman did NOT impede Hakeem. NOBODY did. Again you are putting down what Robinson did and putting up Rodman when in fact they BOTH got tourched.

I'm not belittling anything he did on the Bulls. Some of you guys are just exaggerating or didn't really watch the games. He was NOT the ace defender on that team and did NOT guard the top threat on the other team every night. That was Pippen unless the top threat was a PF. The facts are the facts.

You just killed your own argument. You said he was the best at his position yet you just agreed that at keast two where better and two where equal. If you asked any player or coach or expert though they would say Barkley and Malone are better players as well. So that would be SIX players at his positions that where better. So much for him being the best. The proves my statment of you exaggerating to try to prove a point.

Everybody know stats don't mean everything but there a supporting factor to discussions like this one. Plus it doesn't take much watching at all to see that Bird, Pippen, Malone, Barkley, Wilkins, and Worthy where better players than Rodman. Hell Stevie Wonder could see that.

I never said the ABA was better league or as good a league. I just pointed out that you cant disregard what happened there cause the HOF takes in into account. That is just the facts. And it's not just numbers my friend. The man lead his team to the title and while leading the league in scoring and being MVP of BOTH the regular season and PLAYOFFS. He did exactly what you say you want a player to do. Win and step up in the playoffs. When you win the championship and was the MVP that is the VERY example of that.

[AlexBrady]

Re: Dennis Rodman: Blackballed From the HOF?

Of course Robinson gave up more points he spent more time guarding him lol. But no Rodman did NOT impede Hakeem. NOBODY did. Again you are putting down what Robinson did and putting up Rodman when in fact they BOTH got tourched.

I'm not belittling anything he did on the Bulls. Some of you guys are just exaggerating or didn't really watch the games. He was NOT the ace defender on that team and did NOT guard the top threat on the other team every night. That was Pippen unless the top threat was a PF. The facts are the facts.

You just killed your own argument. You said he was the best at his position yet you just agreed that at keast two where better and two where equal. If you asked any player or coach or expert though they would say Barkley and Malone are better players as well. So that would be SIX players at his positions that where better. So much for him being the best. The proves my statment of you exaggerating to try to prove a point.

Everybody know stats don't mean everything but there a supporting factor to discussions like this one. Plus it doesn't take much watching at all to see that Bird, Pippen, Malone, Barkley, Wilkins, and Worthy where better players than Rodman. Hell Stevie Wonder could see that.

I never said the ABA was better league or as good a league. I just pointed out that you cant disregard what happened there cause the HOF takes in into account. That is just the facts. And it's not just numbers my friend. The man lead his team to the title and while leading the league in scoring and being MVP of BOTH the regular season and PLAYOFFS. He did exactly what you say you want a player to do. Win and step up in the playoffs. When you win the championship and was the MVP that is the VERY example of that.

I said: "He was a dominant defender and rebounder. Yes, he was at the top of the league at his position."

Is being in the top 5 not considered being at the top of the league? Because that was the impression I was under. It seems you are speaking more towards Rodmans stint with the Bulls where I am talking more about the Pistons side of his career. In Detroit, Rodman did in fact match up with the top small forwards of the league to go along with the top power forwards.

[PrettyT11]

Re: Dennis Rodman: Blackballed From the HOF?

I said: "He was a dominant defender and rebounder. Yes, he was at the top of the league at his position."

Is being in the top 5 not considered being at the top of the league? Because that was the impression I was under. It seems you are speaking more towards Rodmans stint with the Bulls where I am talking more about the Pistons side of his career. In Detroit, Rodman did in fact match up with the top small forwards of the league to go along with the top power forwards.

Not top 5 more so top 2 or 3 would make you the best at your position but it also depends on the guys that are there. I mean Ray Allen could be considered a top 5 SG but the distance between Kobe, Wade, and Him are is pretty wide. Just like the distance between Bird, Pippen, and others from Rodman is pretty far.

Maybe it got mixed up in all the back and forth lol but I agreed and said Rodman was a defensive beast in his Pistons days. I was talking about the Spurs and Bulls days where people here are vastly overrated his defense. It is plain as day to see the difference between his defense from the Pistons years and the Bulls years. I was pointing out the fact that Pippen was actually the best defender on that team not Rodman like some people are making it out to be.

[AlexBrady]

Re: Dennis Rodman: Blackballed From the HOF?

Not top 5 more so top 2 or 3 would make you the best at your position but it also depends on the guys that are there. I mean Ray Allen could be considered a top 5 SG but the distance between Kobe, Wade, and Him are is pretty wide. Just like the distance between Bird, Pippen, and others from Rodman is pretty far.

Maybe it got mixed up in all the back and forth lol but I agreed and said Rodman was a defensive beast in his Pistons days. I was talking about the Spurs and Bulls days where people here are vastly overrated his defense. It is plain as day to see the difference between his defense from the Pistons years and the Bulls years. I was pointing out the fact that Pippen was actually the best defender on that team not Rodman like some people are making it out to be.

Oh ok then, I was mainly referring to his Pistons days. Yeah, you could say Pippen was the better defender. I consider top 5 to be the top of the league.