Dennis Rodman: Blackballed From the HOF?

[AlexBrady]

Re: Dennis Rodman: Blackballed From the HOF?

Rodman was a headache for the entire organization. I'm sure his relationship with the franchise's best player had something to do with it but the Spurs as a whole were tired of his act.

Hakeem dominated EVERYONE in that area and his best teams were FAR superior to Drob's teams. I was a huge fan of those Spurs teams back then and the cast of Rod Strickland, Willie Anderson, Elliott, Terry Cummings, and others were not as talented as Hakeems early, mid, or late years.

Rodman was more of a nuisance in his Bulls year on defense. He was great at positional defense but don't act like he shut Karl down. Rodman did a better job the 1st year but Karl missed a ton of FTs. In Utah's last 2 games in the '98 Finals Karl gave him 39-11 & 31-11 respectively. Both games he shot well over .500% so he wasn't gunning to get #'s.

Rodman was a better on ball defender during the Pistons years but you cannont blame all of the Spurs playoff woes pre-Duncan on Robinson. Not when you're 2nd best player was Sean Elliott.

My story between Rodman and Robinson still stands. Hakeem was indeed a great player but surely an all time great player and defender (sarcasm) like Robinson would be able to limit him. You can have your opinion about the talent disparity between the Rockets and Spurs but I'll stick to mine. In truth, the disparity wasn't that large. The true difference was that Hakeem was the real deal and Robinson simply wasn't.

Rodman got into Malone's head and totally scrambled Karl's ever so fragile psyche. No surprise that Malone botched the free throws since he is an all time choke artist. More to the point, Rodman forced Malone into damaging turnovers at crucial times, baited him into ill advised shots, and even forced him into gambling on defense! In other words, Dennis proved what everyone already knew - that Malone was a product of John Stockton's brilliance.

When you consistently don't get the job done in the 4th quarter (like Robinson) it is quite easy to place blame on you. After all, you are supposed to be the team leader and fail safe scorer. Sure, his cast wasn't stellar but Hakeem's mates weren't all timers either. Point is, Robinson would be ringless if the ping pong gods didn't grant him Tim Duncan.

[PrettyT11]

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Scoring is one role. Gervin was strictly a scorer, so was Hawkins, ditto for Maravich. Why are they in the Hall when they were useless on defense and in the rebounding game? Technically speaking, Rodman has them outnumbered in the facets of the game (defense and rebounding).

Which Gervin are you talking about?? He was one of the greatest scorers of all time and he was far from useless on the boards as you want to make him out to be. He got you over 8 boards a night when he was in the ABA and still got you over 5 when they became an NBA team. Not to mention his number went UP in the playoffs so there goes that folding when the chips are down argument. He gave you 27 and 7 in the playoffs not bad for a soft, clutchless, non rebounding overrated player you want to make him out to be.

While I have been and will be the first to say again that Pete's NBA career was pretty much a dud and dissapointment he his a HOF'er just off his college years alone. I mean the man was, is, and always will be the greatest score to EVER step on a college court and it isn't even close. I mean he put up Wilt like scoring numbers in college and did it all without a three point line. His college exploits will never been seen again.

Again I dont know which Hawkins you are talking about?? He came in and dominated the ABA lead the league in scoring, won the regular season and playoff MVP's, won the the title, and gave you 14 boards a game. Not to mention before the injuries took control he never gave you less than 8 boards. How is 14 rebounds useless in the rebounding game?? Please tell me I would like to know. I'm not saying he was the greatest rebounder but he was FAR from useless. Again there you go with the exaggerating.

[yvesdereuter]

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So do you have any proof of this Rodman story of yours?? You are the first and only person I have ever heard say this. I guess his getting suspended twice by the team had nothing to do with it. If Robinson wasn't serious about winning a title he never would have came back to play after the severe back and foot injuries. he could have easily hung it up and still been a HOF player. The fact that he came back and still gave his all speaks for itself.

As far as the Hakken destroying him things goes Hakeem also got a hold of Rodman that series and went to work on him as well. Hakeen was the best player on the planet at that time. There is no shame in losing to the best player there is. Let's not act like Rodman didn't get a piece of that *** kicking as well. Yes Drexler even at that time was a far better player than Elliot ever was. Drexler was a complete player and contributed in every part of the game. His overall game and defense was leaps and bounds ahead of Elliot and still was even at that time. We are talking about a man who gave you 20 points, 8 boards, 5 assits, and 2 steals a game. that trumps Elliot in every category.

I didn't say you could throw just anybody in there but there where at least around 10 guys that you could have and they still would have won. I was referring to his Chicago days so I'm not forgetting anything in Detroit. Yes he won there but again let's not act like he was the dominant force on those teams. He was the sixth man. Yes he played a major role on the team but let's not act like he was not replaceable. Isiah Thomas was the driving force of that team. He didn't win with the Spurs when he was brought in to have more of a role.

I'm not denying he was a major factor on his championship teams but he was also lucky to play with the stars that he played with. You put him on say the Knicks of that time or the Pacers or somebody like that and they STILL wouldn't have won any titles. How many people can say that they played with the greatest of all time and one of the top 5 PG's of all time?? I mean the man did play with THREE of the 50 greatest players of all time.

Like somebody else said Rodman would be in the hall of very good but he doesn't belong in the hall of fame. He was never a dominate player and was never at the top of the league at his position or overall. I mean hell if we are going to reward players for being great and what they are asked to do and for being role players then why not just put Robery Horry, Steve Kerr, Mark Eaton, and Alvin Robertson in too while we are at it.

The only time Robinson would be a bigger asset to a team would be if they had no scoring threat. Rodman's value also wasnt as sensitive to whether or not you could space out defenders, which was the case with Robinson. Im talking about what they did between the lines.

Rodman was better at defense and rebounding than Robinson was at offense. Rodman was THE BEST defender/rebounder of his time and possibly all time. Robinson was part of a handful of guys, who during his era, may have been the second best offensive player in the league but may have also not been one of the top 5 offensive players during his era. You could make a case that Robinson was the second best offensive player during his era, but you could also make a case that there were at least 5 players better than him at offense during his era.

No one is saying Rodman wasnt a head case. No one is saying Rodman was even sane. But the mistake people making is that they are using their dislike of him to diminish his impact on the game. Theyre allowing themselves to be blinded by bias.

[KG]

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My story between Rodman and Robinson still stands. Hakeem was indeed a great player but surely an all time great player and defender (sarcasm) like Robinson would be able to limit him. You can have your opinion about the talent disparity between the Rockets and Spurs but I'll stick to mine. In truth, the disparity wasn't that large. The true difference was that Hakeem was the real deal and Robinson simply wasn't.

Rodman got into Malone's head and totally scrambled Karl's ever so fragile psyche. No surprise that Malone botched the free throws since he is an all time choke artist. More to the point, Rodman forced Malone into damaging turnovers at crucial times, baited him into ill advised shots, and even forced him into gambling on defense! In other words, Dennis proved what everyone already knew - that Malone was a product of John Stockton's brilliance.

When you consistently don't get the job done in the 4th quarter (like Robinson) it is quite easy to place blame on you. After all, you are supposed to be the team leader and fail safe scorer. Sure, his cast wasn't stellar but Hakeem's mates weren't all timers either. Point is, Robinson would be ringless if the ping pong gods didn't grant him Tim Duncan.

So Robinson not being able to stop Hakeem makes him a less of a player? What about Shaq and all the other Centers who tried but failed. No one is comparing Robinson to Hakeem. All on this board agree that Hakeem was a better player.

[AlexBrady]

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So do you have any proof of this Rodman story of yours?? You are the first and only person I have ever heard say this. I guess his getting suspended twice by the team had nothing to do with it. If Robinson wasn't serious about winning a title he never would have came back to play after the severe back and foot injuries. he could have easily hung it up and still been a HOF player. The fact that he came back and still gave his all speaks for itself.

As far as the Hakken destroying him things goes Hakeem also got a hold of Rodman that series and went to work on him as well. Hakeen was the best player on the planet at that time. There is no shame in losing to the best player there is. Let's not act like Rodman didn't get a piece of that *** kicking as well. Yes Drexler even at that time was a far better player than Elliot ever was. Drexler was a complete player and contributed in every part of the game. His overall game and defense was leaps and bounds ahead of Elliot and still was even at that time. We are talking about a man who gave you 20 points, 8 boards, 5 assits, and 2 steals a game. that trumps Elliot in every category.

I didn't say you could throw just anybody in there but there where at least around 10 guys that you could have and they still would have won. I was referring to his Chicago days so I'm not forgetting anything in Detroit. Yes he won there but again let's not act like he was the dominant force on those teams. He was the sixth man. Yes he played a major role on the team but let's not act like he was not replaceable. Isiah Thomas was the driving force of that team. He didn't win with the Spurs when he was brought in to have more of a role.

I'm not denying he was a major factor on his championship teams but he was also lucky to play with the stars that he played with. You put him on say the Knicks of that time or the Pacers or somebody like that and they STILL wouldn't have won any titles. How many people can say that they played with the greatest of all time and one of the top 5 PG's of all time?? I mean the man did play with THREE of the 50 greatest players of all time.

Like somebody else said Rodman would be in the hall of very good but he doesn't belong in the hall of fame. He was never a dominate player and was never at the top of the league at his position or overall. I mean hell if we are going to reward players for being great and what they are asked to do and for being role players then why not just put Robery Horry, Steve Kerr, Mark Eaton, and Alvin Robertson in too while we are at it.

Most NBA followers down here know the Rodman-Robinson story well. You have been conned by Robinson. No, the but whooping was laid squarely in Robinson's direction and it was proven how average an on ball defender he really is. Drexler was better than Elliot but at the time not demonstrably better, his moves were more clunky and his athleticism was waning.

He would have been hard to replace as the ace rebounder and defender on those Bull's teams. His tenure with the Spurs was a blimp on the radar. He knew Robinson was not 100% in it to win it so he naturally didn't give his all until he was fed exed out of there. Dumars, Thomas, and Rodman were the driving forces of those Pistons teams.

He was a dominant defender and rebounder. Yes, he was at the top of the league at his position. Kerr and Horry aren't even in Rodman's class.

[PrettyT11]

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My story between Rodman and Robinson still stands. Hakeem was indeed a great player but surely an all time great player and defender (sarcasm) like Robinson would be able to limit him. You can have your opinion about the talent disparity between the Rockets and Spurs but I'll stick to mine. In truth, the disparity wasn't that large. The true difference was that Hakeem was the real deal and Robinson simply wasn't.

Sure man you got it. Your story stand but yet you have ZERO proof of it and nothing to back it up what so ever. Sounds to me like something you made. But on the other hand I can give you numerous amounts of proof of Rodman's team impossed suspensions and his ******** behavior that led to the team letting him go. The fact that they only got WILL PURDUE in return shows you not only did they Spurs just want him the hell away from that team but ALSO how really NOBODY else wanted him. I'm sure that they could have got alot better than WILL PURDUE.

You act like Robinson was the only person defending him. Like I said Rodman tried and he got his *** handed to him as well. Surely this all time great defender would have been able to slow him down too right?? Plus as the old saying goes great offense beats great defense every time. It didn't matter who they put in front of Hakeem at that time. He would have went through everybody. The fact that he went through not ONLY Robinson but ALSO Rodman shows that.

It's not an opinion between what was on the two teams it is fact. Hakeem had another top 50 player on the team with him. You ask if Drexler makes that much of a difference?? All you have to do is look at what they where doing before he got there. They where getting beat in the first round. In the SEVEN years before Drexler they only made it out of the FIRST round twice. The SAME amount of times as Robinson. Sounds like to me the speration came in when Hakeem got the better players around him. Or was Hakeem not the real deal then when he couldn't get out of the first round??

But I tell you what we can take it a step further. Who would you rather have Avery Johnson or Kenny Smith?? Vernon Maxwell or Del Negro?? J.R. Ried or Robert Horry?? Do you see how silly those matchups are?? That doesn't even include the HUGE difference between Drexler and Elliot.

When you consistently don't get the job done in the 4th quarter (like Robinson) it is quite easy to place blame on you. After all, you are supposed to be the team leader and fail safe scorer. Sure, his cast wasn't stellar but Hakeem's mates weren't all timers either. Point is, Robinson would be ringless if the ping pong gods didn't grant him Tim Duncan

Sure man you got it. You can say the same thing about ALOT of players. You can single that out all you want but the same statement could be made for ALOT of other Hall of Famers. The fact is and will always remain you need help to win. The fact is the Spurs did not have a real one two combo until Tim got there.

[AlexBrady]

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Which Gervin are you talking about?? He was one of the greatest scorers of all time and he was far from useless on the boards as you want to make him out to be. He got you over 8 boards a night when he was in the ABA and still got you over 5 when they became an NBA team. Not to mention his number went UP in the playoffs so there goes that folding when the chips are down argument. He gave you 27 and 7 in the playoffs not bad for a soft, clutchless, non rebounding overrated player you want to make him out to be.

While I have been and will be the first to say again that Pete's NBA career was pretty much a dud and dissapointment he his a HOF'er just off his college years alone. I mean the man was, is, and always will be the greatest score to EVER step on a college court and it isn't even close. I mean he put up Wilt like scoring numbers in college and did it all without a three point line. His college exploits will never been seen again.

Again I dont know which Hawkins you are talking about?? He came in and dominated the ABA lead the league in scoring, won the regular season and playoff MVP's, won the the title, and gave you 14 boards a game. Not to mention before the injuries took control he never gave you less than 8 boards. How is 14 rebounds useless in the rebounding game?? Please tell me I would like to know. I'm not saying he was the greatest rebounder but he was FAR from useless. Again there you go with the exaggerating.

George Gervin was a great scorer but that is all he was. Like I said, he couldn't rebound in a crowd but you wouldn't know this because you are just looking at numbers. He was not an adequate rebounder for a man his size at his position. The rebounds he snatched were a product of the high octane games his teams played as each team averaged more posessions that normal. Since George was such a poor defender his teams were forced to play run n gun offense and swiss cheese defense. Why do you think Gervin's teams never made a serious run at the title?

Did I mention how selfish Gervin was? He refused to pass to his teammates and play any semblence of team basketball as he would routinely abandon the offense to go 1 on 5. He scored alot because he shot 25 times a game. Heres the best part though, he averaged 2.8 assists to 3 turnovers over his career. A laughably pathetic number.

You are looking at strictly offensive numbers for his playoff runs. Never mind that he was routinely toasted on the defensive end and did his best impersonation of the invisible man in the 4th quarter.

Maravich was one of the most selfish players of all time. He scored so much in college because he averaged 39 shots a game and his field goal percentage was a lowly 44 % in college. His teammates couldn't stand playing with him as he always opted for the flashy pass over the simpler one. His pass completion rate was barely above 500 for a point guard! Let it be known that he was also the worst defender that I have ever seen step on a court and it is no surprise that the teams he played were always exposed as frauds in the playoffs.

I could care less about that awards that the clueless stat driven media awarded the loser that was Connie Hawkins. Keep it strictly to the NBA. Hawkins could throw down thunderous dunks and he was a willing passer but that is it. He couldn't shoot himself in the foot, rebound in a crowd, display any athleticism, or play anything other than pathetic defense. His teams always tried to hide him on the defensive end but most times it would prove to be futal as Hawkins would routinely be torched for 30 points by even the worst bigs.

[PrettyT11]

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The only time Robinson would be a bigger asset to a team would be if they had no scoring threat. Rodman's value also wasnt as sensitive to whether or not you could space out defenders, which was the case with Robinson. Im talking about what they did between the lines.

Rodman was better at defense and rebounding than Robinson was at offense. Rodman was THE BEST defender/rebounder of his time and possibly all time. Robinson was part of a handful of guys, who during his era, may have been the second best offensive player in the league but may have also not been one of the top 5 offensive players during his era. You could make a case that Robinson was the second best offensive player during his era, but you could also make a case that there were at least 5 players better than him at offense during his era.

No one is saying Rodman wasnt a head case. No one is saying Rodman was even sane. But the mistake people making is that they are using their dislike of him to diminish his impact on the game. Theyre allowing themselves to be blinded by bias.

This is down right comical. I was done with you in thread the very second you compared Rodman to Bill Russell. But I will respond to this. I never said I disliked Rodman. IN FACT I said I was a fan of his and loved having him on my Bulls team and helping them win three more rings. I think your love of the guy is blinding you and you are trying to exaggerate some of his doings.

First of all you can't compare Rodman's D and rebounding to Robinson's offense cause Robinson wasn't a one sided player. You COULD make that argument if Robinson only showed up on one end of the court. But if we played your game Robinson's defense and rebounding is FAR FAR FAR beyond Rodman's offense. they wouldn't even be on the same planet. Now if we are going to compare them part for part like we should it would go like this. Yes Rodman was a better rebounder and defender than Robinson. NOBODY will dispute that but Robinson was a great rebounder and defender in his own right. On the offensive side of the bal there is really nothing to talk about. Robinson was one of the greatest offensive centers in history. Rodman didn't have an offensive game so there is nothing to talk about. So the question is was Rodman's rebounding that much better to make up for the extra 20 points and all the blocked shots Robinson gave you?? I say no.

Rodman was a great lock down guy in Detroit but like somebody else already said in his Chicago days he was more of a pest and positional defender. Let's keep the facts the facts now. Pippen was the one who took the best permeter player. Rodman guarded the PF's. It wasn't like in his Pistons days where they would put him on anybody. That Bulls team was so great defensively that they didn't have to do alot of moving the assingments around. Rodman was hardly ever if ever asked to guard an outside player during that time.

[AlexBrady]

Re: Dennis Rodman: Blackballed From the HOF?

So Robinson not being able to stop Hakeem makes him a less of a player? What about Shaq and all the other Centers who tried but failed. No one is comparing Robinson to Hakeem. All on this board agree that Hakeem was a better player.

Robinson was not able to stop alot of players. He was routinely bullied in the paint and was too slow for quicker players. He was targeted by opposing offenses more than you think.

[AlexBrady]

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Sure man you got it. Your story stand but yet you have ZERO proof of it and nothing to back it up what so ever. Sounds to me like something you made. But on the other hand I can give you numerous amounts of proof of Rodman's team impossed suspensions and his ******** behavior that led to the team letting him go. The fact that they only got WILL PURDUE in return shows you not only did they Spurs just want him the hell away from that team but ALSO how really NOBODY else wanted him. I'm sure that they could have got alot better than WILL PURDUE.

You act like Robinson was the only person defending him. Like I said Rodman tried and he got his *** handed to him as well. Surely this all time great defender would have been able to slow him down too right?? Plus as the old saying goes great offense beats great defense every time. It didn't matter who they put in front of Hakeem at that time. He would have went through everybody. The fact that he went through not ONLY Robinson but ALSO Rodman shows that.

It's not an opinion between what was on the two teams it is fact. Hakeem had another top 50 player on the team with him. You ask if Drexler makes that much of a difference?? All you have to do is look at what they where doing before he got there. They where getting beat in the first round. In the SEVEN years before Drexler they only made it out of the FIRST round twice. The SAME amount of times as Robinson. Sounds like to me the speration came in when Hakeem got the better players around him. Or was Hakeem not the real deal then when he couldn't get out of the first round??

But I tell you what we can take it a step further. Who would you rather have Avery Johnson or Kenny Smith?? Vernon Maxwell or Del Negro?? J.R. Ried or Robert Horry?? Do you see how silly those matchups are?? That doesn't even include the HUGE difference between Drexler and Elliot.



Sure man you got it. You can say the same thing about ALOT of players. You can single that out all you want but the same statement could be made for ALOT of other Hall of Famers. The fact is and will always remain you need help to win. The fact is the Spurs did not have a real one two combo until Tim got there.

Lol at trying to diminish Dennis Rodman because of what the Spurs got in return for him. The bulk of Hakeem's damage was in head to head confrontations with Robinson. Drexler certainly helped Hakeem but he was always a terrific 4th quarter player even at his early stages leading Houston to the Title game where they courageously played the Celtics.

Who would I have out of those players? Kenny Smith, Vinny Del Negro, and Robert Horry all except Horry by slight margins. Again, the disparity wasnt as great as you make it out to be.

Your right, I can talk about 4th quarter failures from Hall of Famers and I do single them out all the time. Truth is, there are many losers and chokers in the Hall of Fame that don't deserve enshrinement and I point that out constantly.

[ehh]

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Your right, I can talk about 4th quarter failures from Hall of Famers and I do single them out all the time. Truth is, there are many losers and chokers in the Hall of Fame that don't deserve enshrinement and I point that out constantly.

But you're making up your own criteria in your own world. Where is it written that a guy has to have been a dominant fourth quarter player or hit tons of big shots to be in the HOF? That's simply your opinion and obviously one that's not shared with the HOF voters.

[PrettyT11]

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Most NBA followers down here know the Rodman-Robinson story well. You have been conned by Robinson. No, the but whooping was laid squarely in Robinson's direction and it was proven how average an on ball defender he really is.

He would have been hard to replace as the ace rebounder and defender on those Bull's teams.

Sure you say. Thats funny though that you are the ONLY one saying this story. There have been more than one Spurs fan come in here and say that have no knowledge of this Rodman story you speak of.

So let me get this straight when Hakeem was giving Robinson buckets it was all on him but when he was giving Rodman buckets when he was guarding him it was nothing??Alright man that makes no sense at all. If you are guarding the man and he gives you buckets it is on you no matter who you are.

Again Rodman could have been replaced on that Bulls team. The fact that they won three rings BEFORE he got there show this. He was repacable by around 10 guys. Again let's not exaggerate he was NOT the ace defender on that Bulls team. Pippen was. The outside was locked down with Pippen and jordan out there. All that team needed was somebody to play some post D and get rebounds and they would have won regardless.

He was a dominant defender and rebounder. Yes, he was at the top of the league at his position.

So let me get this straight. Rodman played more the 3 pretty much all his time in Detroit and then went to the 4. So you are telling me that he was a good as the likes of Bird, Pippen, Worthy, Malone, Barkley, Wilkens, and Mullins?? If you believe any of that you have less basketball knowledge than I thought.

Keep it strictly to the NBA.

Thats the problem with that whole argument so no need to comment on the enitre thing. You can't just keep it NBA cause the Hall of Fame takes into account EVERYTHING. ABA numbers can not just be disregarded as nothing.

Robinson was not able to stop alot of players. He was routinely bullied in the paint and was too slow for quicker players. He was targeted by opposing offenses more than you think.

Alright man you can continue to believe that if you want to. He was one of the qiuckest centers around. The statment that he was targeted by the other teams offense if one of the most foolish things I have heard in a while but it is not as bad ad dude comparing Rodman to Bill Russell.

[AlexBrady]

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This is down right comical. I was done with you in thread the very second you compared Rodman to Bill Russell. But I will respond to this. I never said I disliked Rodman. IN FACT I said I was a fan of his and loved having him on my Bulls team and helping them win three more rings. I think your love of the guy is blinding you and you are trying to exaggerate some of his doings.

First of all you can't compare Rodman's D and rebounding to Robinson's offense cause Robinson wasn't a one sided player. You COULD make that argument if Robinson only showed up on one end of the court. But if we played your game Robinson's defense and rebounding is FAR FAR FAR beyond Rodman's offense. they wouldn't even be on the same planet. Now if we are going to compare them part for part like we should it would go like this. Yes Rodman was a better rebounder and defender than Robinson. NOBODY will dispute that but Robinson was a great rebounder and defender in his own right. On the offensive side of the bal there is really nothing to talk about. Robinson was one of the greatest offensive centers in history. Rodman didn't have an offensive game so there is nothing to talk about. So the question is was Rodman's rebounding that much better to make up for the extra 20 points and all the blocked shots Robinson gave you?? I say no.

Rodman was a great lock down guy in Detroit but like somebody else already said in his Chicago days he was more of a pest and positional defender. Let's keep the facts the facts now. Pippen was the one who took the best permeter player. Rodman guarded the PF's. It wasn't like in his Pistons days where they would put him on anybody. That Bulls team was so great defensively that they didn't have to do alot of moving the assingments around. Rodman was hardly ever if ever asked to guard an outside player during that time.

Rodman isn't Bill Russell like you said but he was still a dominant force on the defensive end and in the rebounding game. You are overrating Robinson's offensive reportoire. In truth, it was very limited as most of his points came on foul line jumpers or he would use a very mediocre head fake after he drove with his left hand into the middle of the lane. Sometimes the defender would buy his head fake but most times the fake failed and Robinson was forced into a low percentage shot. His other points came off put backs and uncomplicated dunks and layups. His post moves were bested by many. Oh and don't forget that Robinson couldn't handle the ball or pass well.

Robinson wasn't a good rebounder in crowd and he couldn't guard his own man. He was a good weak side shot blocker. Did Rodman's great defense and rebounding trump Robinson's limited offensive reportoire, solid rebounding, and mediocre on ball defense? I say yes.

[AlexBrady]

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But you're making up your own criteria in your own world. Where is it written that a guy has to have been a dominant fourth quarter player or hit tons of big shots to be in the HOF? That's simply your opinion and obviously one that's not shared with the HOF voters.

The Hall of Fame voters are driven by stats like the rest of the media. Is the goal of basketball not to win and play your best when the game is on the line.

[ehh]

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Of course it is but that doesn't mean you shouldn't be in the HOF if you weren't an amazing clutch player.