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  • ZB9
    Hall Of Fame
    • Nov 2004
    • 18387

    #31
    Re: Kidd to NY a done deal?

    Originally posted by FootballForever
    With the edition of Kidd, I think Portland is a lot better then last year, and when the sign Hedu,
    they have cap room, but the thing is that they dont have enough to sign Hedo to his market value and ALSO sign Kidd to a contract comparable to what the Mavs can sign him to. If Dallas wants to keep Kidd (and all indications are that they do), then the Mavs will outbid any offer the Blazers make.

    it seems every single "top" free agent is being linked to the Blazers. They cant sign all of them.

    they will be better then last no doubt, and last year they had a great season.
    Dallas will be better if Josh Howard doesnt miss 30 games and Jason Terry doesnt miss three weeks like they did last season. The Mavs might have won 9 or so more games last season if not for the injury problems they had...but the Mavs should be able to add a couple of pieces this offseason as well. They have some cap pieces to trade

    anyway, I dont think either of these teams are going to be top contenders. If Kidd's only motivation is a ring, then he would probably need to sign with the Cavs or Lakers. However, I would bet that doesnt happen either considering how limited those two teams are with their salary caps, and I dont think the Lakers want to change much after winning it all...and the Celts, Spurs, Magic, and Nuggets arent in the market for a PG obviously.

    It doesnt look like Kidd is going to be able to latch on for a ring, not that he would want to. The Blazers and Mavs are both in that "second tier" of playoff teams right now with similar chances to add pieces to climb up into the first tier...and the Mavs can offer more money and also familiarity.
    Last edited by ZB9; 07-01-2009, 04:01 PM.

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    • ryanm1058123
      Banned
      • Jan 2004
      • 3628

      #32
      Re: Kidd to NY a done deal?

      It's obvious ZB9 doesn't go on the internet much. If he did, he would know that the Blazers are the next big dynasty.

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      • ZB9
        Hall Of Fame
        • Nov 2004
        • 18387

        #33
        Re: Kidd to NY a done deal?

        Originally posted by ryanm1058123
        It's obvious ZB9 doesn't go on the internet much. If he did, he would know that the Blazers are the next big dynasty.
        Hahahahahahahahahahah


        Ha


        too much truth in your statement...folks need to put the anointing oils away

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        • SuperBowlNachos
          All Star
          • Jul 2004
          • 10218

          #34
          Re: Kidd to NY a done deal?

          TJ Ford is going to be making 8.5m next year. So Kidd at 8m isn't that bad

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          • BobbyColtrane
            Just some dude...
            • Sep 2007
            • 2284

            #35
            Re: Kidd to NY a done deal?

            lol dallas fans

            they overrate their team more than any fanbase.
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            • ZB9
              Hall Of Fame
              • Nov 2004
              • 18387

              #36
              Re: Kidd to NY a done deal?

              Originally posted by WinstonWolf
              lol dallas fans

              they overrate their team more than any fanbase.
              explain

              the Dallas fan in this thread stated that the Mavs are currently a "second tier playoff team"...If you think the Blazers are much more of a contender than Dallas, then you are delusional.

              The Blazers have done nothing to put themselves in the top tier of contenders. They are right there in the 2nd tier with Dallas. Both teams have options to put themselves in the top tier. The Blazers have roughly 10m in cap space. The Mavs have a handful of cap trade pieces, as well as a good cap situation for '10.

              Simply staying healthy will mean more wins for Dallas this upcoming season as well. The Mavs' 2nd and 3rd best players missed 30 games and 15 games respectively, and that obviously cost them some wins and a better seed. However, again, Dallas needs to add some pieces to get up into the first tier
              Last edited by ZB9; 07-01-2009, 09:04 PM.

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              • ProjectRipCity
                Banned
                • Aug 2008
                • 2395

                #37
                Re: Kidd to NY a done deal?

                Originally posted by ZB9
                Simply staying healthy will mean more wins for Dallas this upcoming season as well. The Mavs' 2nd and 3rd best players missed 30 games and 15 games respectively, and that obviously cost them some wins and a better seed. However, again, Dallas needs to add some pieces to get up into the first tier
                You will need both Kidd and Bass to contend for the 8th in the West then again...Which Western conference team wont be contending for the 8th besides the Lakers and the washed up teams below.

                I just do not see Mavs doing anything. They had legit shots to win the title, and they failed to do so. The fate of J Kidd and Bass is not clear, and the team is not getting any younger. Kidd will eventually retire in the next couple years as his stats decline, and Dirks will still be high due to the fact he is a spot up shooter...But he cannot carry the load by himself. In 3 years Mavs will not be a factor at all in the Western conference. And in the next 3 years for them to be championship contenders not only will they have to acquire new players...They still have they're own to deal with.

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                • ProfessaPackMan
                  Bamma
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 63852

                  #38
                  Re: Kidd to NY a done deal?

                  Well, that won't matter anyway with the impending Blazers Dynasty scheduled to start next season and last for a while.
                  #RespectTheCulture

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                  • ProjectRipCity
                    Banned
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 2395

                    #39
                    Re: Kidd to NY a done deal?

                    Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                    Well, that won't matter anyway with the impending Blazers Dynasty scheduled to start next season and last for a while.
                    Sarcasm? lol

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                    • ZB9
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Nov 2004
                      • 18387

                      #40
                      Re: Kidd to NY a done deal?

                      Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                      Well, that won't matter anyway with the impending Blazers Dynasty scheduled to start next season and last for a while.
                      listening to some of these Blazers fans, you would think they had won a single playoff series since 1999-2000

                      but freaking Turkolu is going to be the difference!! championship!

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                      • BiggD
                        MVP
                        • Sep 2003
                        • 2487

                        #41
                        Re: Kidd to NY a done deal?

                        If Oden can stay in the game longer then 20mins and play more then 70gms they will be dangerous next year
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                        • BiggD
                          MVP
                          • Sep 2003
                          • 2487

                          #42
                          Re: Kidd to NY a done deal?

                          Originally posted by ZB9
                          listening to some of these Blazers fans, you would think they had won a single playoff series since 1999-2000

                          but freaking Turkolu is going to be the difference!! championship!

                          They need a PG before they win a chip... but they are close,Bayless may or may not get his chance next year,i'm hoping he does
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                          • AlexBrady
                            MVP
                            • Jul 2008
                            • 3341

                            #43
                            Re: Kidd to NY a done deal?

                            Originally posted by ZB9
                            listening to some of these Blazers fans, you would think they had won a single playoff series since 1999-2000

                            but freaking Turkolu is going to be the difference!! championship!
                            Josh Howard isn't nearly as good as Turkoglu and yet you still think Dallas will be a contender? In truth, Howard gets worse as the game progresses and that is the way he has always been. He gets manhandled by the elite wings in this league and his decision making in the clutch is notoriously pathetic. Even if Howard does miss 30 games, it won't make much of a difference in the long run. He is a bench player on a championship team, not a starter.
                            Last edited by AlexBrady; 07-01-2009, 11:02 PM.

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                            • ZB9
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Nov 2004
                              • 18387

                              #44
                              Re: Kidd to NY a done deal?

                              Originally posted by AlexBrady
                              Josh Howard isn't nearly as good as Turkoglu and yet you still think Dallas will be a contender?
                              If you would actually read my comments in the thread, I stated that "Dallas is a second tier playoff team right now". They need to add some pieces to get into the first tier.

                              Translation- the Mavericks are not a serious contender as they stand currently....however, they do have options to improve their team.

                              EDIT: I see you edited your post. YOu are correct that Howard is one of the worst "clutch players in the league", and he has a terrible BBIQ. However, he is still better than Hedu Turkolu...and a better trade chip.

                              I never stated that a healthy Howard alone would have made the Mavericks a contender. What I stated is that they would have had a much better record last season, and a better seed, if Howard would not have missed 30 games. All you have to do is look at their record with Howard, and without him. Clutch or not, he is the Mavs' second best player, and his presence keeps the defense more honest and makes the other players better.
                              Last edited by ZB9; 07-01-2009, 11:29 PM.

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                              • ZB9
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Nov 2004
                                • 18387

                                #45
                                Re: Kidd to NY a done deal?

                                Originally posted by BiggD
                                They need a PG before they win a chip... but they are close,Bayless may or may not get his chance next year,i'm hoping he does
                                close to winning a chip? How about getting out of the first round before talking about competing with the Lakers, Nuggets, or Spurs

                                they are more than "a PG away"

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