Cavs + Shaq = not going to win it all

[bigeastbumrush]

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Well, it was bound to happen the first game the Cavaliers lost.
In fact, I'm stunned I haven't seen a "LeBron is going to New York" post in this forum tonight too.

Edit: Oops, missed the last post, now it's about what I thought it would be!

Yep.

Didn't see this thread coming at all................

[boomhauertjs]

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The Cavs won 66 games last year with Ben Wallace instead of Shaq. You can't tell me that Shaq isn't better than Wallace (and that Moon/Parker isn't better than Szcerbiak/Pavlovic). It's one game. They basically lost a week of training camp because everybody was sick. They're probably not going to win 66 games again, but they'll be right in the Top 3 in the East when the playoffs start.
Now if Delonte can't come back, there might be a problem...

[DW3]

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I like the big fella and all, but this is simply a ticking time bomb! Lebron is still the lone wolf so to speak on offense. Based on last night, the cavs wont be taking alot of photos this year lol!

[Jasong7777]

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Based on last night, the cavs wont be taking alot of photos this year lol!

If they do it will be pictures of Lebron waving goodbye.

[bdseed316]

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The Cavs won 66 games last year with Ben Wallace instead of Shaq. You can't tell me that Shaq isn't better than Wallace (and that Moon/Parker isn't better than Szcerbiak/Pavlovic). It's one game. They basically lost a week of training camp because everybody was sick. They're probably not going to win 66 games again, but they'll be right in the Top 3 in the East when the playoffs start.
Now if Delonte can't come back, there might be a problem...

I can tell you that Wallace is more athletic than Shaq and a better defender. The Cavs didn't need Shaq. Period. They don't need a low post presence, they need a high post presence. Shaq is only gonna clog the lane. Give LeBron some space and he can get to the hoop at will. I remember the Bulls championship runs with Bill Cartwright and Luc Longley. Jordan would drive to the hoop and when the double and triple teams came he could dish to them for open 13ft. jumpers. That's all they needed to be able to do was hit those little jumpers and move their feet on D. Rasheed would have been a much better fit on the Cavs than Shaq, IMO.

[AlexBrady]

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Shaq confirmed last night that he is one of the most inept defenders of the screen and roll.

Mo Williams is defenseless.

Perkins did an admirable job on Shaq.

In the clutch, Paul Pierce iced that game.

[boomhauertjs]

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I can tell you that Wallace is more athletic than Shaq and a better defender.

The Wallace that I saw play for the Cavs last season was a shell of the Wallace in Detroit. Some nights it looked like he could barely jump. Not to mention the fact that having him on offense was like playing 4 on 5. I'm going to give the team time to adjust to Shaq before declaring it a mistake. And if it is a mistake, I'm sure there are plenty of teams willing to get a $20 million expiring contract.

[bdseed316]

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The Wallace that I saw play for the Cavs last season was a shell of the Wallace in Detroit. Some nights it looked like he could barely jump. Not to mention the fact that having him on offense was like playing 4 on 5.

Oh I'm a Bulls fan so I know that Ben Wallace, lol. I just think when you have a Lebron James you want more role players to surround him with than guys that have an established game. I would also trust things to improve as Mike Brown is an excellent coach.

[JBH3]

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They still don't have a legit #2 weapon IMO.

I don't care what anyone says Mo Williams is not a #2 in my book, more like a high end #3.

...and in your head what classifies one as a legit #2? Was Mo Williams was a legit #2 last year before a horrible post-season...right?

I think he was. He's capable, his 82 games last year reflects that.

Well, it was bound to happen the first game the Cavaliers lost.

In fact, I'm stunned I haven't seen a "LeBron is going to New York" post in this forum tonight too.

Edit: Oops, missed the last post, now it's about what I thought it would be!

Yea. I've got to agree w/ you, it's quite ridiculous. CV can say he's not making this assessment based off of one loss, but how can that be taken at face value? Timing is everything. If this was posted two months ago I could believe that. There is a reason why they'd play a 7gm series, & who's to say the next meeting Shaq get's KG into foul trouble and Lebron/Shaq take over.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Well, it was bound to happen the first game the Cavaliers lost.

In fact, I'm stunned I haven't seen a "LeBron is going to New York" post in this forum tonight too.

Edit: Oops, missed the last post, now it's about what I thought it would be!

It goes both ways my friend because I'm almost certain most folks on here would've made the Cavs a lock to go to the Finals had they beat Boston and would've already gave him the MVP as well...just off of one game.

[Stumbleweed]

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They need to shake down Charlotte for Gerald Wallace badly. Send Shaq or Z down there and whoever else they need to get him... perfect guy to put with LeBron on the wing and you can stick him on athletic 4s and have better results than almost anyone in the league.

But yeah, Powe will help a lot when he gets back, but that's a long time from now and there are a LOT of teams with athletic/shooting PFs just waiting to get a crack at the King and his boys to see if they can knock them off the mountain. Teams like the Pacers and Pistons will sneak out wins against this Cavs team for that reason... just too many shooters.

[KG]

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It's a long year and people are jumping to ridiculous conclusions after one game. It's not like they lost to sum bums. They lost to a legit contender in Boston who picked up some key pieces and got KG back.

[GSW]

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if they give us Hickson they can have captain Jackass

[vaballer34]

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Wait wait...Wasn't Mo Williams a key piece to the Cavs the last couple seasons at times?

Mo played well during the regular season but in the playoffs he damn neared disappeared...his shooting percentage and ppg dropped. He's a good player but not good enough to be the #2 player when it counts.

Everyone knows that Shaq can't defend the pick and roll. That's why the Cavs got Powe and Varejao. Shaq's value won't be seen until playoff time.

[23]

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To clarify...I am not blaming Shaq. I am blaming the GM for not bringing in a better piece.

And LBJ clearly is good enough to win a ring...but he needs much better pieces than a 38 year old Shaq and Mo Williams as his "second" guy.

Not talking about you... im talking about what they'll be spewing in the media