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Re: LeBron James Signs With Miami Heat
Everybody is believing what they want to believe.
There are no facts when it comes to this subject; everything is hypothetical.
Magic was drafted to a team with a top 5 player of all time who won the MVP Magic's rookie year and had the #1 overall pick during his fourth year.
Bird joined a team with three other Hall of Famers and in his second season the Celtics aquired #3 and #8 overall players who would later be in the Hall of Fame and for his final championship and best overall team the Celtics would acquire a former MVP and #1 overall pick who would win the sixth man of the year.
Jordan played with Pippin, Grant, Rodman, and several other great role players who have been discussed several times over.
If Lebron was in one of those situations he probably wouldn't have gone to Miami either.
If Bird, Jordan, or Magic were in the position of being in the league for 7 years with a mediocre roster they might have signed a 6 year extension with their teams or might have bolted for another team. The reality is that none of us have any idea what would have happened.Comment
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Re: LeBron James Signs With Miami Heat
Times 50000000000000000000 million
It's nice to see Cebby finally somewhat admit that LBJ wasn't in a situation where his support was up to par with the rest of the league. Or at least acknowledge that he doesn't have all-star talent.
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Re: LeBron James Signs With Miami Heat
Based on what we know as fact, WRONG. Sorry, but it's just wrong. LeBron was leaving Cleveland no matter what on July 8th. They made up their minds in 2006 that they would play with each other, it's why they all signed the contract extensions together so that they could be free agents at the same time. If Cleveland won the title this year, Bron was leaving and he left when they didn't as we see. No matter what the outcome to the 2009-2010 season was, Bron was leaving Cleveland. If Miami couldn't have cleared they're cap space then maybe you can make that argument, but they were going into this offseason back on extension signing day looking to all play together.
I still don't see how people don't see the difference between ending up in a situation like say...being drafted onto a team like Magic and Bird and specifically leaving YOUR team to sign a free agent contract with a team like they've done.Comment
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Re: LeBron James Signs With Miami Heat
Dont believe the hype lol
Those contracts was signed so those guys could potentially get the max...They all were drafted in the same year...if they were a year apart, I highly doubt they would have adjusted their contracts to be FA's at the same time...
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You see I really don't get these type of comments at all, do people realize the guy is only 25 years old. He's under contract with Miami for only six years years and he can opt out after four. Lets say he wins three titles with Miami, opts out after the fourth year or heck plays the whole contract out (he'll only be 31) and goes somewhere else where he is clearly the man (or even stays in Miami and becomes the unquestioned leader on the team since Wade at 34 will already be declining by that time) and wins another two+ titles can we still say he was a follower?
I mean come on now we have made Kobe into a "KING" and he was a follower for his first three titles. However winning the last two titles (even though he still needed another great player) made everyone forget he was crying to get out of LA three years ago and put him in the GOAT discussion (when he isn't even the definitive greatest player of his generation).Comment
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I think Lebron's support was "up to par with the rest of the league." It wasn't up to par with the Lakers or Celtics, but I think that given a 2006 or 2007 effort he could have squeaked out a championship in the last two years. I think that with the Cavs' roster he could have won 2 chips in his career.
However, he didn't have anywhere near the support Magic, Bird, or Jordan had. I think that Lebron is a good enough player that he was capable with winning with his past two rosters, but that says far more about Lebron than the Cavs.
As much as I dislike Lebron, if he was given Bird or Magic's initial rosters the GOAT comparisons at this point would be over. Lebron would likely be collecting his 4th or 5th straight chip. Given a top 5 player of all time and a #1 overall pick like Magic was given Lebron would be unstoppable.Comment
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First of all, the facts are there. Jordan and Bird personally made quotes themselves saying they wouldn't do it. This is straight from there mouths. No speculation. They said NO if they was in his situation.
And all this is not about him leaving Cleveland, it's about his choice to play in Miami. Yes, your right, Cleveland didn't seem like a viable situation to him to win a championship. BUT for him and Wade to be talking about this possibility for 2 years now? And this is from LeBron and Wade.
The ultimate point is, a combination of Jordan/Magic/Bird playing on the same team would have never happened according to Bird and Jordan. Would those guys left their teams if there was no championship outlook? Of course. BUT as the competitors they are, they're not going to another team playing second fiddle.I have more respect for a man who let's me know where he stands, even if he's wrong. Than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil. - Malcolm XComment
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Never. Not in a million years.
Anyway, Jordan's comments are dumb. You didn't call Bird and Magic because the opportunity to leave never arose. Besides, Jordan/Magic/Bird is SO FAR BEYOND what LBJ/Wade/Bosh "are" that the comparison is absolutely worthless.Comment
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Re: LeBron James Signs With Miami Heat
That Cleveland/Boston series was up for grabs until Lebron started tanking/quitting games. Just saying.........Redskins, Lakers, Orioles, UNC Basketball , and ND Football
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I don't think it's bait. It's actually the point I've been trying to make too. Basically like Cebby just said, the Cavs team DID NOT compare to the Lakers or Celtics (or Magic around Howard even) but they were not as bad as people make them out to be, and James deserves some blame for how they went down this year... he clearly quit.
It's over now and not worth harping on, but if we're talking about how the Cavs couldn't get it done this year. Well, that's a significant point, no?Comment
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THEY WERE NEVER IN THIS SITUATION WHICH MAKES IT COMPLETELY HYPOTHETICAL WITH NO FACTUAL BASIS
Lebron said that he wasn't going to leave to pair up with another superstar and go ring chasing. Chris Bosh said he wants to be his teams #1 option. Jordan said he was retiring...twice.
What people say they will do rarely holds up. Saying what they would have done is pure hindsight that they'd never have to prove.
Jordan, Bird, and Magic didn't have to leave in free agency to make a super team. They were already on them. Boston and Chicago won about 50 games without Jordan and Bird and the Lakers won 54 with Magic missing more than half the season.
None of them have any concept of what James and Wade were dealing with.
How do people even know that Lebron will be playing second fiddle?Of course. BUT as the competitors they are, they're not going to another team playing second fiddle.
I see this far more as a Magic/Kareem situation than a Jordan/Pippin team.Comment
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