The LeBron James Thread

[The 24th Letter]

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I don't think so. I think it's more because he's the only one people act like it's absurd that he has a heavy influence on the players and coaches on the team. People mention Shaq getting Stan Van Gundy fired in Miami and no one questions it. Michael Jordan's role in Doug Collins getting fired in Chicago and trying to get the team to keep Charles Oakley. Nobody questions that stuff. Garnett being the reason Wally Szczerbiak was traded out of Minnesota. Nobody questions. Soon as the topic goes to trashing the Cavs or Heat for LeBron's lack of help and you mention the role he played in shaping those rosters and dudes start calling people haters or throwing shade acting like LeBron has absolutely NO say in front office decisions and is just a player like everybody else.

Either way you look at it, you'd be incredibly naive to think these superstars dont hold influence one way or the other.....and it's nothing new....

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[ojandpizza]

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Because his lack of “help” stems from players who are playing like ****. It wouldn’t matter if he adopted the teammate to live with him if that player plays like **** he’s still playing like **** and therefore not providing the help on the court that he should be. Has nothing to do with who signed off on him, who likes/doesn’t like him, how close they are to LeBron, or even how they played the game before. I don’t even know how/why people even go down that road, has nothing to do with player production. If the Rockets knocked off Golden State would we start blaming Draymond for wanting KD there? No, nobody would say that ****.

The Cavs, well whoever LeBron plays for, is literally the only team in the league that we can’t point out when somebody plays bad. DeRozan plays like ***, everyone cracks jokes about it. PG plays bad after the “playoff P” thing and we can all be in here talking about it. Terry Rozier bricks 15 straight 3’s and we can all be in here posting about what he does wrong. God forbid anybody point out when Love is having a bad game. Half of OS rushing in “oh here we go with the no help”, “oh looks like we are blaming Love again”, “LeBron is the one who wanted Love”... like WTF is wrong with that picture lmao.




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[King_B_Mack]

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Either way you look at it, you'd be incredibly naive to think these superstars dont hold influence one way or the other.....and it's nothing new....

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Absolutely, it's absurd to think every superstar in the league doesn't get some type of heads up on what's going on within their organizations. But you're kind of proving my point for me. Who has said they don't? Everybody knows and acknowledges player influence in the league, LeBron is literally the only one that people try to act like he has no idea what the organization is doing and his hands are clean on things that go down. He's the only one that if someone posts a funny meme here or anywhere on the net about him being a GM people can't just laugh at the meme and move on. It's gotta be a whole discussion about it and there's gonna be the group that has to try to pretend like things actually go down on a LeBron team that he's kept in the dark on or we gotta deflect it onto other superstars in the league and what they're doing. It's kinda crazy honestly.

[ojandpizza]

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Nobody on OS has ever acted like the dude was completely in the dark with anything. At least not in the 7 or so years I’ve been here.


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[King_B_Mack]

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Because his lack of “help” stems from players who are playing like ****. It wouldn’t matter if he adopted the teammate to live with him if that player plays like **** he’s still playing like **** and therefore not providing the help on the court that he should be. Has nothing to do with who signed off on him, who likes/doesn’t like him, how close they are to LeBron, or even how they played the game before. I don’t even know how/why people even go down that road, has nothing to do with player production. If the Rockets knocked off Golden State would we start blaming Draymond for wanting KD there? No, nobody would say that ****.

The Cavs, well whoever LeBron plays for, is literally the only team in the league that we can’t point out when somebody plays bad. DeRozan plays like ***, everyone cracks jokes about it. PG plays bad after the “playoff P” thing and we can all be in here talking about it. Terry Rozier bricks 15 straight 3’s and we can all be in here posting about what he does wrong. God forbid anybody point out when Love is having a bad game. Half of OS rushing in “oh here we go with the no help”, “oh looks like we are blaming Love again”, “LeBron is the one who wanted Love”... like WTF is wrong with that picture lmao.




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Annnnnnd here we go. No OJ you can criticize those guys having bad games, everybody does. People criticize the hell out of JR Smith all year and if you really want to, we can start digging through game threads to prove that fact. What people DON'T want to hear/see is you come rolling through here on the white horse trying to absolve LeBron completely from blame when the team plays like **** and not up to the level they're capable of every time they lose or see someone post a joking comment or picture and then you gotta go out of your way to discredit it or prove it wrong.

[King_B_Mack]

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Nobody on OS has ever acted like the dude was completely in the dark with anything. At least not in the 7 or so years I’ve been here.


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Bruhhhh.....y'all gotta stop with this mess. I'mma start saving these posts for these inevitable discussions that pop up years after the fact.

[The 24th Letter]

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Absolutely, it's absurd to think every superstar in the league doesn't get some type of heads up on what's going on within their organizations. But you're kind of proving my point for me. Who has said they don't? Everybody knows and acknowledges player influence in the league,.

Oh, Its implied constantly. My comment was more of an agreeance that there are two sides to the extreme, because there most definitely is- these posts exist as well. There are a section of fans that most certainly act like its LeBron-cetric and not something that has happened in years past, or across the league as far as superstars go...which is why I made my initial comment...

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[ojandpizza]

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There isn’t a single rational person alive that would believe the best player on any team in the league isn’t consulted to some extent before a team makes a big move. Just because we aren’t going to agree with the notion that every team LeBron plays on is “hand picked” and therefore he deserves the blame then they play badly, which is 100% what gets implied around here, doesn’t make that any less true.

Next time KD has one of those games where is shot selection is **** like he had a couple times in this years playoffs, I’m going to roll up in here saying it’s not really fair to blame him because Draymond recruited him there. He’s the guy Draymond wanted so really it’s Draymond’s fault when he does that.. that’s basically what happens with LeBron, even JR Smith included “well LeBron wanted him, he got him paid so it’s his fault”. Literally in any playoff game where one of them plays bad enough for it to be brought up here. And it’s 10 times worse when that player is Love or Bosh. They couldn’t possibly play bad, they are all stars.


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[ProfessaPackMan]

The LeBron James Thread

You’re a funny dude, OJ.

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[Fresh Tendrils]

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Hand picked probably isn't the situation. I think most of of us would agree LeBron didn't hand-picked the GM moves outside of any major names (even then I wouldn't necessarily believe he "hand-picked" em). Still, LeBron is able to influence and shape the team in other ways like most superstars. It's par for the course for the star player(s) to be consulted with roster changes and even at times have them use their influence to apply pressure to make moves.

Still, LeBron's influence has more weight than any other player and to me it seems like he exercises that influence on a regular basis. I'm sure he didn't give his GM a list that included Rodney Hood's or George Hill's names, but you know for damn sure he was pressuring for the team to make moves or keep certain players.

Whether that's more or less than others - who really cares. Nobody is "blaming" LeBron for players under performing, but you have to admit he had a hand in their inconsistency and high turnover on the roster.

How many different players have put on a Cavs jersey in the past 2-3 seasons? Compare that with Golden State, Boston, or any other high seeded team.

[King_B_Mack]

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[ojandpizza]

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Whether that's more or less than others - who really cares. Nobody is "blaming" LeBron for players under performing, but you have to admit he had a hand in their inconsistency and high turnover on the roster.
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The thing is, people do though. Otherwise it wouldn’t be dragged out for 5 pages every time it’s brought up. He’s the only player in the league that when he has one of those “carry the team” games half of OS doesn’t want you to point it out. It wouldn’t matter if the team was comprised of LeBron’s cousins, HS friends, and kids, if they play like **** they shouldn’t be immune to the criticism just because “well Bron wanted them there”.

King in particular always wants some form of unwarranted blame placed on him just because he gets so much of the credit if they win. But why wouldn’t the best player on the floor get credit? It doesn’t make sense otherwise. You give him all the blame on a loss when he’s the one with 40/12/10? While Love goes 5 for 16 or something? That’s not even remotely logical, and if the Bucks get bounced we don’t turn around and try to place some sort of blame on Giannis if he’s the best performer on the team and gets all the credit when they win.

It’s always some sort of special circumstance when it’s LeBron, even if it does both ways.



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[King_B_Mack]

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The thing is, people do though. Otherwise it wouldn’t be dragged out for 5 pages every time it’s brought up. He’s the only player in the league that when he has one of those “carry the team” games half of OS doesn’t want you to point it out. It wouldn’t matter if the team was comprised of LeBron’s cousins, HS friends, and kids, if they play like **** they shouldn’t be immune to the criticism just because “well Bron wanted them there”.

King in particular always wants some form of unwarranted blame placed on him just because he gets so much of the credit if they win. But why wouldn’t the best player on the floor get credit? It doesn’t make sense otherwise. You give him all the blame on a loss when he’s the one with 40/12/10? While Love goes 5 for 16 or something? That’s not even remotely logical, and if the Bucks get bounced we don’t turn around and try to place some sort of blame on Giannis if he’s the best performer on the team and gets all the credit when they win.

It’s always some sort of special circumstance when it’s LeBron, even if it does both ways.



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Oh boy lol

[Fresh Tendrils]

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The thing is, people do though. Otherwise it wouldn’t be dragged out for 5 pages every time it’s brought up. He’s the only player in the league that when he has one of those “carry the team” games half of OS doesn’t want you to point it out. It wouldn’t matter if the team was comprised of LeBron’s cousins, HS friends, and kids, if they play like **** they shouldn’t be immune to the criticism just because “well Bron wanted them there”.

King in particular always wants some form of unwarranted blame placed on him just because he gets so much of the credit if they win. But why wouldn’t the best player on the floor get credit? It doesn’t make sense otherwise. You give him all the blame on a loss when he’s the one with 40/12/10? While Love goes 5 for 16 or something? That’s not even remotely logical, and if the Bucks get bounced we don’t turn around and try to place some sort of blame on Giannis if he’s the best performer on the team and gets all the credit when they win.

It’s always some sort of special circumstance when it’s LeBron, even if it does both ways.



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I think there's two different arguments here:

1) Placing blame on players/team for under-performing and playing poorly. Likewise giving credit where credit is due. I don't think LeBron is hard up for receiving credit. Anybody who tries to make the case the man doesn't get his fair share is smoked out.

2) Finding fault for LeBron complaining on lack of "help" when when he himself plays a major part of shaping the roster.

[areobee401]

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Will be sweet to be absolved of all LBJ back-and-forth for a change in the EC Playoffs thread next April. He’s your problem in more ways than one, WC folks.