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  • jeebs9
    Fear is the Unknown
    • Oct 2008
    • 47568

    #10216
    Re: The LeBron James Thread

    Originally posted by iAM-IncReDiBLe-
    As a Heat fan I rather have Dwight then LeBron easily. You give me Dwight in the middle an Bosh more touches on O an the front court is nasty. Then you got Wade doing his thing an a cheap shooter at the pg an sf spots an your good to go. I just don't think Wade an Lebron can play up to the max potential by being on the same team. They both are better with the ball in their hands an when its not they stand their an watch each other dribble. Bosh would go back to being one of the best PFs in the game if he got more touches which won't happen with boroth Wade an LeBron on his team.
    This is the problem I have with people talking about trading LeBron already. The Heat beat (or got lucky) The Celtics and the Bulls in 5 series w each. They make it to the finals. Win game 1, Lose game 2 (in one of best comebacks/melt downs of the year), come back and then win game 3 and then lose game 4 by 3. It doesn't make sense to break this team up right now.

    But let me roll with the idea (for ****s and giggles). If I were to trade anyone at this point for Dwight Howard. It would be Chris Bosh. Wade, LeBron and Dwight would be the best defensive basketball team of this time.
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    • Drewski
      Basketball Reasons
      • Jun 2011
      • 3783

      #10217
      Re: The LeBron James Thread

      Originally posted by RedSceptile
      I hate how facetious you guys can be. The underlying point here is the fact that LeBron hits the shot and they're called purely luck. Kobe hits the shot and they're called clutch shots. The point is it's a double standard if LeBron does it everyone goes "Oh he got lucky" Kobe does it "Man he's so clutch" because in both situations regardless they're as much luck as they are clutch. Obviously I'd say the Tim Duncan shot was more luck than clutch.

      I also like how you label me as a "Team LeBron" member when that's the farthest thing from the truth, but apparently if I don't hate the guy or think he's a complete scumbag I'm a "Team LeBron" guy right? Seriously? That's got to be some of the most assinibe thinking. All it boils down to is everyone depcriates what LeBron does far too much out of a compound of personal bias and a myriad of other factors. Obviously their are people who are on the reverse off the aforementioned spectrum and worship everything he does but I don't fit in either classification. If this is about basketball as you claim I'd appreciate you not placing me into a group because of some belief that "Oh he doesn't hate LeBron he must be a homer".
      I never said you were Team Lebron, I just stated Team Lebron uses the "Lebron haters can't see through the fog" line/logic far too often. You used it too. What you make of that is your own perspective, but I didn't say you were wearing a Team Lebron "The Decision" T-Shirt featuring the big 3 on the front and eight imaginary, blinged rings on the back.

      I know what you're getting at with the double standard talk. Kobe get's alot of "he's so clutch" love in general, so it's an easy way to juxtapose the Lebron situation when it comes to him being "lucky". I also think it's fair to say there's a degree of luck involved with a clutch shot going in.

      As people say, I'd rather be extremely lucky, than skilled (or something to that extent).
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      • mKoz26
        In case you forgot...
        • Jan 2009
        • 4685

        #10218
        Re: The LeBron James Thread

        Originally posted by Drewski
        Luck is hard to pin down.

        Good fortune; advantage or success, considered as the result of chance

        Technically every shot taken could be considered lucky/unlucky because when it comes to a shot going in or out, there's a roll of dice, is there not? X player, statistically, has a 47% chance of hitting that mid range jumper. There's still a 53% chance that shot hits iron and bounces out. A 6% swing either way on the luck pendulum.

        Perspective B. X player's skill allows 47% of his shots to sink. The other 53% he misses because he doesn't have the skill to cover any higher %.

        And yes, I sure do wish Kobe would hit more shots in the finals. Whether it was Game 7 when he laid out the blueprint for Dirks game 6, or against the series with the Pistons. Ugh.
        And yet, LeBron shoots what, a single percent lower than Kobe from 3?

        I think you guys are overstating the gap here. Kobe is not nearly the marksman people make him out to be.
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        • RedSceptile
          MVP
          • Jun 2011
          • 3680

          #10219
          Re: The LeBron James Thread

          Here's a pretty good article about clutch (or lack off) that you guys should give a read http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...stics-a-debate

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          • jeebs9
            Fear is the Unknown
            • Oct 2008
            • 47568

            #10220
            Re: The LeBron James Thread

            Originally posted by RedSceptile
            Here's a pretty good article about clutch (or lack off) that you guys should give a read http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...stics-a-debate

            Another reason Jordan is GOD lol. "He swings big, it's a homerun 90% of the time" lol
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            • NC State-31 UNC-27
              MVP
              • Nov 2007
              • 1525

              #10221
              Re: The LeBron James Thread

              Instead of "luck" lets just call it a random hot streak for LeBron in the playoffs prior to the Finals. He doesn't normally make all those shots in a row - usually he'll make some and miss some.

              As far as Kobe NOT being clutch. Well the stats don't lie - but they don't tell the whole story either. Many of the shots he took in those situations were incredibly difficult and low percentage opps. He's a little stubborn, and the offense should have been designed and coached better in those situations. Plus, he doesn't have the legs to get to the rim like he used to. I wonder what his "clutch" stats looked like in the early 2000s...when he was in his athletic prime PLUS had the defense worried about Shaq. Similar to LBJs situation now.

              And of course, none of them are even close to MJ


              EDIT: The other reason why LBJ takes so much heat - is that he is basically the greatest freak athlete in NBA history and he SHOULD be able to do everything better than everyone else. He SHOULD be able to get buckets whenever the **** he wants. Even in their primes, MJ and Kobe didn't have the advantage LeBron has athletically.
              Last edited by NC State-31 UNC-27; 07-11-2011, 03:15 PM.

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              • The Big Squeezy
                Pro
                • May 2011
                • 796

                #10222
                Re: The LeBron James Thread

                Man, I hate LeBron as much as the next guy but how anyone can say he wasn't clutch in the Boston and Chicago series is beyond me.

                Dude was clutch as **** during those two series.
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                • Freak123
                  Pro
                  • Sep 2010
                  • 981

                  #10223
                  Re: The LeBron James Thread

                  Originally posted by NC State-31 UNC-27
                  Instead of "luck" lets just call it a random hot streak for LeBron in the playoffs prior to the Finals. He doesn't normally make all those shots in a row - usually he'll make some and miss some.
                  You seriously could not have said it any better. It was a random hot streak, perfectly said. Every player, such as Dirk this year, goes on these and that's what wins championships, is stars getting incredibly hot at the right time and then having the team play excellent defense.

                  The Mavs played great defense, the Heat played average defense, which is why the Heat lost in the Finals. The Heat played great defense against the Bulls, and the Bulls played average defense, that's why the Heat beat the Bulls there.

                  In the end, you have to have both a random hot streak and incredible defense to win a championship, which is why it takes so many players so gosh dang long to win one, because winning it all is incredibly difficult to do as it requires those two things.

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                  • wwharton
                    *ll St*r
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 26949

                    #10224
                    Re: The LeBron James Thread

                    I don't know how this turned into yet another Kobe vs Lebron debate, or how analyzing the 3's LBJ made in the playoffs became he's lucky and Kobe's clutch. The bottom line is Lebron's strength is how easily he's able to get to the basket and finish considering his height and size. Any defender playing him would much rather he "settle" for a 3 point shot bc it's not his strength. It doesn't mean he's incapable of making a 3, or jump shot period, but it is obvious that unless the team needs a 3 with time running out, that's where you want him shooting... especially if someone's close enough to throw a hand up.

                    So when he goes on a run and makes a bunch of 3's, it's pretty much an unlucky break for the defense. I don't know why that's so offensive or complicated, honestly. That string of 3's could've been the worse thing that happened to him. Following that series he settled for more and more 3's... and made far less. Then he took heat for taking so many 3's and became gun shy, and seemed like a mental midget for the rest of the finals. If Lebron goes iso and powers to the basket in those situations, that's clutch... that's his game. Shooting jumpers is Kobe's game so making those is considered clutch more than Lebron. It doesn't make Kobe more clutch than Lebron, it's that the star player went to his strength in a clutch situation and performed. Lebron settled for shots that go away from his strength.

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                    • Jano
                      You Dead Wrong
                      • May 2004
                      • 3161

                      #10225
                      Re: The LeBron James Thread

                      Originally posted by wwharton
                      I don't know how this turned into yet another Kobe vs Lebron debate, or how analyzing the 3's LBJ made in the playoffs became he's lucky and Kobe's clutch. The bottom line is Lebron's strength is how easily he's able to get to the basket and finish considering his height and size. Any defender playing him would much rather he "settle" for a 3 point shot bc it's not his strength. It doesn't mean he's incapable of making a 3, or jump shot period, but it is obvious that unless the team needs a 3 with time running out, that's where you want him shooting... especially if someone's close enough to throw a hand up.

                      So when he goes on a run and makes a bunch of 3's, it's pretty much an unlucky break for the defense. I don't know why that's so offensive or complicated, honestly. That string of 3's could've been the worse thing that happened to him. Following that series he settled for more and more 3's... and made far less. Then he took heat for taking so many 3's and became gun shy, and seemed like a mental midget for the rest of the finals. If Lebron goes iso and powers to the basket in those situations, that's clutch... that's his game. Shooting jumpers is Kobe's game so making those is considered clutch more than Lebron. It doesn't make Kobe more clutch than Lebron, it's that the star player went to his strength in a clutch situation and performed. Lebron settled for shots that go away from his strength.
                      Great post here wish I could form my thoughts like this consistently haha!

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                      • The 24th Letter
                        ERA
                        • Oct 2007
                        • 39373

                        #10226
                        Re: The LeBron James Thread

                        Good post and everything wwharton, but I think the point people are making is.....why is it being analyzed at all? lol Ive seen no other clutch performance looked into to determine whether the player made shots that matched up with their strength....therefore validating how clutch it actually was, in comparison to how "lucky" it was...

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                        • iAM-IncReDiBLe-
                          Next Miami Great
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 4285

                          #10227
                          Re: The LeBron James Thread

                          Originally posted by jeebs9
                          This is the problem I have with people talking about trading LeBron already. The Heat beat (or got lucky) The Celtics and the Bulls in 5 series w each. They make it to the finals. Win game 1, Lose game 2 (in one of best comebacks/melt downs of the year), come back and then win game 3 and then lose game 4 by 3. It doesn't make sense to break this team up right now.

                          But let me roll with the idea (for ****s and giggles). If I were to trade anyone at this point for Dwight Howard. It would be Chris Bosh. Wade, LeBron and Dwight would be the best defensive basketball team of this time.
                          Oh they would easily be the best defensive team with those 3 but I truly believe Wade an LeBron would be better off playing on different teams.

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                          • Outcast
                            Rookie
                            • Nov 2009
                            • 351

                            #10228
                            Re: The LeBron James Thread

                            Originally posted by jeebs9
                            This is the problem I have with people talking about trading LeBron already. The Heat beat (or got lucky) The Celtics and the Bulls in 5 series w each. They make it to the finals. Win game 1, Lose game 2 (in one of best comebacks/melt downs of the year), come back and then win game 3 and then lose game 4 by 3. It doesn't make sense to break this team up right now.

                            But let me roll with the idea (for ****s and giggles). If I were to trade anyone at this point for Dwight Howard. It would be Chris Bosh. Wade, LeBron and Dwight would be the best defensive basketball team of this time.
                            Na man Chris Bosh is a defensive anchor on the Heat's D
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                            • jeebs9
                              Fear is the Unknown
                              • Oct 2008
                              • 47568

                              #10229
                              Re: The LeBron James Thread

                              Originally posted by iAM-IncReDiBLe-
                              Oh they would easily be the best defensive team with those 3 but I truly believe Wade an LeBron would be better off playing on different teams.
                              You guys lol.... Didn't anyone watch the Bulls and Celtics. When both of them were going off. They have shown they can play together at a very high level.

                              edit: You can even look at the 2 games they won vs Dallas. And say the samething. When are together teams have a hard time defending them. Everyone looks at it as "they are the same players".
                              Last edited by jeebs9; 07-13-2011, 08:17 AM.
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                              • Freak123
                                Pro
                                • Sep 2010
                                • 981

                                #10230
                                Re: The LeBron James Thread

                                Originally posted by iAM-IncReDiBLe-
                                Oh they would easily be the best defensive team with those 3 but I truly believe Wade an LeBron would be better off playing on different teams.
                                Oh come on, that's just silly bud. They made it to the NBA Finals and 28 other teams did not, and were just 2 wins away from a championship. So, why would they be better off on different teams again? They were 15 wins away from a championship the year before this, now came within just 2 wins. I think that people really need to appreciate that and realize the Heat, as Pat Riley said, are "the epitome of team". The players surrounding the Big Three gave up money, playing time, and touches to win a championship, while the Big Three gave up money, touches, and their image as national icon(s). To say this team didn't work when they came two wins away from a championship is very silly, to say the least.

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