Colangelo slams Bosh

[J_Posse]

Re: Colangelo slams Bosh

You took my post a little too literally...lol I think my point was that when have you ever heard someone say. "I don't want to make too much because I'm going to get taxed too much"....lol Come on are you serious?....

But, you're forgetting that these three have already made $30+ million dollars from their previous contracts. These guys took less money to make the numbers work and still allow Miami to field a competitive team. They'll all make back that $10-20 million back in endorsements and other ways.

For Colangelo to sit there and try to infer that he surrounded Chris with adequate support is what really makes him look foolish and ignorant and petty.

Exactly, the people of Toronto and those of us in the U.S. would need to completely ignore to the fact that Colangelo has done a piss-poor job running that organization. He's over-paid players (Hedo, Calderon & Amir), brought in players with big price-tags that have done nothing on his roster (Reggie Evans) and hasn't improved the team through drafting. He's a failure as a GM in Toronto and should have been fired by now.

[Cebby]

Re: Colangelo slams Bosh

But, you're forgetting that these three have already made $30+ million dollars from their previous contracts. These guys took less money to make the numbers work and still allow Miami to field a competitive team. They'll all make back that $10-20 million back in endorsements and other ways.

They would still have the endorsements, but they'd have 10-20 million dollars extra from the contracts.

[Court_vision]

Re: Colangelo slams Bosh

There's absolutely no doubt Bosh quit on his team.

He's soft and lacks heart...but he has legit skills. He's the perfect "number 3" type guy. (Which he will be)

LeBron clearly folded under pressure when the going got really tough...great player, but a perfect "number 2".

I was originally angry at these guys...but, in the light of day, they've really just done what they are...accepted they are suited to be the 3rd best and 2nd best players on a team.

Now, I've no problem at all with what they did. It actually takes nuts to say "hey, I am not the man"...seriously. Bosh has basically said "no way in hell I can carry a team, make me the 3rd guy".

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: Colangelo slams Bosh

Hey didn't say it was right, but doesn't that happen usually all the time? Love them while they're there, hate them when they leave?

Yup.

See Favre, Brett and Packers, Green Bay for an example of this.

[J_Posse]

Re: Colangelo slams Bosh

Yup.

See Favre, Brett and Packers, Green Bay for an example of this.

Off-topic: Brett Favre brought that whole situation upon himself. Any fanbase would tire of a player that is constantly taking the front-office hostage. Brett has been playing this "will he or won't he" bull**** game since '05. Green Bay just finally nutted up and moved on without him.

LeBron is going to be the man on this team.

Until your point of view is proven Dwyane Wade remains "the man" in Miami. They'll probably all share the load offensively and Wade is no slouch on defense either. He's capable of playing the "roamer" role while swiping the ball, grabbing boards and blocking shots.

They would still have the endorsements, but they'd have 10-20 million dollars extra from the contracts.

No, apparently that money would have gone to their agents, management firms and income taxes. They'll make back twice or three times more in endorsements so why care. They're still wealthy either way, but now they get to play together and pursue championships. These guys didn't leave millions on the table that they won't earn back (like Pierce or Nowtizki).

[wwharton]

Re: Colangelo slams Bosh

No we're square. Like I said, I only quoted your post for the family analogy (which I know you were just responding to), because I've seen it used a lot and it doesn't fit...it allows far more emotion than should be expected from the type of relationships these people have.

And I agree about the rationale. Like you said: it's one thing to think a certain way and another to act it out. I have no issue with them letting things slide and then trying to sign them back. I think it's proven to be a move that shoots you in the foot, but it happens all the time and won't stop any time soon.

It's just the fact that he's publicly calling the guy out AFTER the fact. If you ignore it during, then then you are part of the problem...so you come off like an *** when you point fingers in hindsight. Colangelo made his bed and has every right to feel pissed off. He just needs to be an adult and keep the crying at home when it doesn't work out for him...lol.

Yeah, no doubt.

And no....thats still money they left on the table...taxes or not taxed....Thats a lot of money. LeBron and Bosh signed for 110 Million....When they could of got contracts of up 125 millions...Are you kidding me?


edit: Wade signed for 106 Million

Dude, this was your post that I responded to (before you edited it):

Didn't these guys leave about 30 million on the table?

And I answered your question. Maybe that argument should be for somebody else.

There's absolutely no doubt Bosh quit on his team.

He's soft and lacks heart...but he has legit skills. He's the perfect "number 3" type guy. (Which he will be)

LeBron clearly folded under pressure when the going got really tough...great player, but a perfect "number 2".

I was originally angry at these guys...but, in the light of day, they've really just done what they are...accepted they are suited to be the 3rd best and 2nd best players on a team.

Now, I've no problem at all with what they did. It actually takes nuts to say "hey, I am not the man"...seriously. Bosh has basically said "no way in hell I can carry a team, make me the 3rd guy".

I'm disappointed that Lebron embraced the "Chosen One" persona then did this, but if he now embraces the #2 role then I've got no problem with him. If he continues being marketed and presenting himself as "The King" then I'll have a problem with it. Other than that, The Decision is my only issue.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: Colangelo slams Bosh

Off-topic: Brett Favre brought that whole situation upon himself. Any fanbase would tire of a player that is constantly taking the front-office hostage. Brett has been playing this "will he or won't he" bull**** game since '05. Green Bay just finally nutted up and moved on with out him.



Until your point of view is proven Dwyane Wade remains "the man" in Miami. They'll probably all share the load offensively and Wade is no slouch on defense either. He's capable of playing the "roamer" role while swiping the ball, grabbing boards and blocking shots.

Agreed with both of your posts.

[King_B_Mack]

Re: Colangelo slams Bosh

Saying LeBron is the perfect #2 is like saying Peyton Manning is the perfect backup to Drew Brees

LeBron is going to be the man on this team. The offense will run through him, he will be a roamer on defense, snagging rebounds and helping block shots on the weakside. He is the most physically dominant player in the league, rarely gets injured, and is better than Wade in nearly every aspect.

All three players are franchise players and all could potentially win championships as #1 options if they had the right pieces put around them.

I don't get how the guy that was the first to mention not having to do a lot of work as a selling point for going to this team is somehow the guy that everything will revolve around on this team. I don't want to keep 'The Man' talk going in this thread but it's real simple if/when the Heat get bounced from the playoffs before the Finals or without winning a title in the next two to three years. Who's fault is it going to be? Who's going to take the beating in the media and in Miami (provided they're still on the basketball is cool now bandwagon) on the local shows and whatnot? I'll bet it ain't Dwyane. The pitchforks and fires will be after Bron and Bosh, but moreso Bron.

[DieHardYankee26]

Re: Colangelo slams Bosh

I don't get how the guy that was the first to mention not having to do a lot of work as a selling point for going to this team is somehow the guy that everything will revolve around on this team. I don't want to keep 'The Man' talk going in this thread but it's real simple if/when the Heat get bounced from the playoffs before the Finals or without winning a title in the next two to three years. Who's fault is it going to be? Who's going to take the beating in the media and in Miami (provided they're still on the basketball is cool now bandwagon) on the local shows and whatnot? I'll bet it ain't Dwyane. The pitchforks and fires will be after Bron and Bosh, but moreso Bron.

Thinking about it, this is right. It really is just like the Jeter A-Rod debates. Jeter gets all the credit when the Yankees win, and A-Rod gets all the flack when they lose. LeBron has a problem on his hands. If they win, it'll be because they should've won, look at who they signed. And if they lose, they'll say he was the problem.

[capp34]

Re: Colangelo slams Bosh

Colangelo cant possibly think he built a great team around Bosh.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: Colangelo slams Bosh

Colangelo cant possibly think he built a great team around Bosh.

He knows he hasn't done squat in Toronto he was just grasping for straws to find more ways to slam Bosh.

Too bad what he was telling us was old news. We all know Bosh isn't a Franchise guy and we all know he quit.

I still wouldn't label Bosh a quitter because he carried that cast of clowns to places Toronto wouldn't have ever reached otherwise.

So he quit a handful of games... that team would have gotten swept or worse in the first round anyway. Big whoop.

It's ironic because Colangelo more clowned himself than Bosh in that letter by pointing out exactly who he's brought in to help Chris out.

[Vince]

no, not big whoop, he owed it to the fans that supported him for 7 years...

it's pathetic the way the nba is these days...it is now okay to quit on ur team...what a joke.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: Colangelo slams Bosh

So he gave you his all 6.85 years out of 7.

If that's enough for you to hate him or blacklist him or label him a quitter so be it.

To others like myself, we realize that he won't be the first and last star to dog it.

Your GM is a moron if I was a TOR fan that would be more frustrating than Bosh quitting for a handful of games and leaving.

Chris got nothing but soft, and inadequate support his entire stay in Canada. LBJ quit too, but both of them got zero help in their organizations so that's why I can kind of see how they'd be so quick to team up.

[Vince]

Re: Colangelo slams Bosh

we are pissed at colangelo. most of the fan base wants him gone..

still this recent trend of nba players quitting on their teams is a joke...even worse is fans condoning that type of ****...look, i'm a raptor fan since 1996, watch 90% of the games each season. i understand the team has never been great, but one thing toronto fans hate is players dogging it. even a sweep at the hand of the cavs is better than no playoffs at all. it genrates buzz and excitement. so now that we hear Bosh quit on the team, i lost a lot of respect for him

i just dont get what it is with these primadonna nba players who feel they can just not give their top effort...it's a joke and reflects poorly on the overall image of the league.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: Colangelo slams Bosh

I doubt most people condone quitting.

I look at the body of work. I look at other stars from past and present to compare.

In a given career most of the time you're going to have moments where fans look at the athlete and accuse them of dogging it.

It's not so much I'm OK with it, it's more so that it's inevitably going to happen and that in the other 90-95% of his career if he gave the team/fans his all.... then the momentary lapses sort of just come with him being human.

Specifically critiquing Bosh's career in Toronto, from my vantage point he's done nothing but do his darn near best to carry a team that had no business doing a damn thing, even winning a playoff series in the East. Him taking a few extra games off to "heal" this past season was perhaps unnecessary but he's done enough for the city to make that call.

Kobe's, LBJ's etc instances of dogging it are all separate and are under much different circumstances. So don't think you should generalize.