Carmelo Anthony Traded To New York

[mKoz26]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

You got to be able to have a jumpshot to be a closer, D-Rose doesnt have that, unfortunately

He's got decent mid-range game and has supposedly improved his 3-point shot. We'll see if he improves his numbers over the course of a season, but I think he can become that closer.

Maybe I'm an irrational Bulls fan who overrates Rose's potential because he's from Chicago. I don't know.

[TMagic]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

He's got decent mid-range game and has supposedly improved his 3-point shot. We'll see if he improves his numbers over the course of a season, but I think he can become that closer.

Maybe I'm an irrational Bulls fan who overrates Rose's potential because he's from Chicago. I don't know.

Na. I don't think you're being irrational at all. I think Rose will be a fantastic player as well.

Like I mentioned, it's not a knock on Rose, it's just because he's a point guard that I feel he can't be an elite closer. So it doesn't just go for him. It goes for all point guards.

Again, I think Rose will be an amazing player in this league. Just not the best option for a closer given his position.

[King_B_Mack]

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Na. I don't think you're being irrational at all. I think Rose will be a fantastic player as well.

Like I mentioned, it's not a knock on Rose, it's just because he's a point guard that I feel he can't be an elite closer. So it doesn't just go for him. It goes for all point guards.

Again, I think Rose will be an amazing player in this league. Just not the best option for a closer given his position.

The problem with this thinking is that you're basically eliminating a position from doing something which is completely ridiculous. Gilbert Arenas is a PG, Allen Iverson was drafted as a PG and I'd say they're scoring and ability to close games is pretty good. I just don't see why when discussing the Melo move for the 'bring Melo' side, guys are talking about the future for the team but then arguing points that look at the Bulls in a vaccum of this season and next when weighing the decision not to pull the trigger. So what, we know that Derrick Rose is going to not improve his three point shooter for the rest of his career now in just his third year? All of a sudden dude's mid range game isn't on point? Why is it okay to be setting up to win in the future by getting Melo now, but it's not okay to set up to win in the future by keeping Noah now and continuing to build chemistry and adding a Jamal Crawford or some other scoring 2 guard later?

[Dice]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

Because he's a point guard.

It is my belief that a point guard cannot be your closer if you are to be an elite team. I'm not saying that there aren't going to be times where Rose does a good job down the stretch. Just that it's not going to be as consistent as the guys that I listed because he's a point guard.

As a point, he has to start everything from the three point line out. This goes against one of the things I said makes a good closer in that he should be able to score from multiple areas on the floor. Rose is not in any type of good scoring position when he looks to score being out past the three point line.

This makes it easier on defenses to rotate and help out. As well as pack the lane which will end up forcing Rose into a lot of tough, long jumpers. Or really tough contested lay ups.

It is much harder to hit a jumper after a series of dribble moves to get off a shot for point guards, than it is for a wing or big to get the ball, make a quick move, and put a shot up. This is what will prevent Rose from being able to consistently close out games.

I believe this is the primary reason why the elite point guards have not been the best player on their team in most championship teams.

Probably the best post in this thread.

[Bumi]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

Wait, I'm whining and you're in here crying about a deal that can't even happen at this point? Hilarity I say!

Me thinks you don't know what whining is. Insulting and critiquing potentially career improving moves of an athlete because he isn't handling it the way you would like, is called whining.

Stating the Bulls front office is foolish for not dealing for Melo isn't whining. It's a declaration. I have no personal interest invested in the Bulls nor Melo, but a foolish move is a foolish move.

[Bumi]

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The problem with this thinking is that you're basically eliminating a position from doing something which is completely ridiculous. Gilbert Arenas is a PG, Allen Iverson was drafted as a PG and I'd say they're scoring and ability to close games is pretty good.

You know what Iverson and Gil both have in common? They've both gone without ever having won a chip. Further solidifying the theory that you can't win a title with a PG as your primary means of offense.

I just don't see why when discussing the Melo move for the 'bring Melo' side, guys are talking about the future for the team but then arguing points that look at the Bulls in a vaccum of this season and next when weighing the decision not to pull the trigger.

I'm personally looking beyond this season. I'm looking at Miami, and a New York team that'll likely dominate the East(If the Melo and CP3 theories ring true) for the next 5-8 years. And it's ironic because the Bulls are partially at fault. They literally allowed Melo to slip through the cracks, cracks that'll likely lead to a Knicks "dream team".

So what, we know that Derrick Rose is going to not improve his three point shooter for the rest of his career now in just his third year? All of a sudden dude's mid range game isn't on point? Why is it okay to be setting up to win in the future by getting Melo now, but it's not okay to set up to win in the future by keeping Noah now and continuing to build chemistry and adding a Jamal Crawford or some other scoring 2 guard later?

Derrick Rose will never become a lights out shooter. He does have a decent mid range game, but once a team focuses on locking him up and taking away penetration, the Bulls offense practically vanishes. Yes, Boozer will help alleviate the strain, but he's aging and injury prone, and he's never really been a dominate scorer to begin with. He spent his career in Utah being set up by Deron Williams, who's a vastly superior distributer to D. Rose.

Noah? Well, Noah very well may be the most overrated player in the NBA, as Bulls fans will soon find out. Exiting early from the playoffs will eventually become old.

[King_B_Mack]

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Me thinks you don't know what whining is. Insulting and critiquing potentially career improving moves of an athlete because he isn't handling it the way you would like, is called whining.

Stating the Bulls front office is foolish for not dealing for Melo isn't whining. It's a declaration. I have no personal interest invested in the Bulls nor Melo, but a foolish move is a foolish move.

Thanks for the lesson teach, I now know what whining is due to your infinite knowledge. So now I'm critiquing a careeer improving move? I don't care if Melo improves his situation, however the problem is playing the deflection game about what he wants to do until his team and it's fans are on a high note with a big season opening win to suddenly decide it's time to say something. That's immature, LeBronish behaviour that tells me what would be in store for the Bulls when things aren't looking sunshine and roses here. So I'm whining by "declaring" one of the reasons he's making me not want him here at all at this point? Flipside though, you aren't whining by insulting the Bulls front office as foolish for making a move that YOU deem good for they're organization? Good job bud.

You know what Iverson and Gil both have in common? They've both gone without ever having won a chip. Further solidifying the theory that you can't win a title with a PG as your primary means of offense.

Iverson took a team full of scrubs to the Finals without even a Noah or Boozer. This solidifies nothing. There's no ONE thing you need to win a championship and all this cherry picking components from championship teams is starting to get a little ridiculous. How many championships has Melo won with his elite scoring? Exactly. How many chips does Durant have? How many did Tracy McGrady get? LeBron? Wade before Shaq showed up? How about Pierce prior to the big three? Those guys were all among the very top of the scoring charts in the league and didn't win anything. Guess we can start barking about how you can't win a title without a big man? Then you have to ask...what about Robinson all those years? How about Ewing? Dirk? Shaq before hooking up with Kobe? Dwight? Oh guess it's back to not being able to win one without an elite wing/scorer. Fact is the best TEAM is going to win the championship every single time.

I'm personally looking beyond this season. I'm looking at Miami, and a New York team that'll likely dominate the East(If the Melo and CP3 theories ring true) for the next 5-8 years. And it's ironic because the Bulls are partially at fault. They literally allowed Melo to slip through the cracks, cracks that'll likely lead to a Knicks "dream team".

And I'm looking beyond this season. The Bulls are not winning a chip anytime soon either way. Does Melo have it in him to wait it out with the Bulls as they try to get good enough to win with him? As we're seeing right now, no, no he doesn't. If the Bulls were to make a move for Melo he'd be signing a three year extension with the team or four at the most. You think he's going to not get himself an ability to opt out at the same time that Bron and crew can opt out of their deals? So counting this year, the Bulls would have him until either 2013 or 2014. They're not winning a championship before that and, New York is getting Paul in a few years regardless of what the Bulls do, so they're basically looking over they're shoulders the entire time because New York is where he truly wants to be anyway. Furthermore it's never been confirmed from Melo that he would be willing to go to the Bulls anyway and word is Denver didn't want Noah anyway, at least not if it meant taking on Deng, so how is the move supposed to get done?

What's even more annoying about this argument is just the fact that pretty much no one has addressed my concerns of what happens if Rose is alienated by the Bulls not believing in him if the deal is done and if he and Melo don't have chemistry together. It's the fact that we keep talking about Miami being the only problem for the Bulls with Melo cause Orlando is too inconsistent and Boston and LA will be old. Okay so with Miami having no inside presence how is it smart for the Bulls to give up the advantage that everyone else WON'T HAVE? The Lakers got size and are working on a three-peat because no one can match the advantage they got out of having Gasol, Odom and Bynum. How in the blue hell is it smart to give up your advantage of having a post scoring presence and defensive presence in the middle when you'll be the only one with that advantage? Who's New York gonna run in their front court against that especially when the Bulls add that scoring 2 to the equation?

Derrick Rose will never become a lights out shooter. He does have a decent mid range game, but once a team focuses on locking him up and taking away penetration, the Bulls offense practically vanishes. Yes, Boozer will help alleviate the strain, but he's aging and injury prone, and he's never really been a dominate scorer to begin with. He spent his career in Utah being set up by Deron Williams, who's a vastly superior distributer to D. Rose.

Again how are we making statements on someone's career at the start of the third year? Who would've known Jordan would have an automatic fadeaway watching him after his first two years? Also love how this works with you guys. When it's down to keeping the core of Boozer, Rose and Noah he's injury prone and aging and any other knock on Boozer possible. Then the whole key to Melo being worth trading Noah is because he can build a big three with Rose and Boozer and Boozer will be the picture of health when they're rattling off all those championships that Melo will be closing out games on the way to. BTW if Melo is such a great closer, what happened in the Western Conference Finals? Super Melo should have closed that series out, game one especially.

Noah? Well, Noah very well may be the most overrated player in the NBA, as Bulls fans will soon find out. Exiting early from the playoffs will eventually become old.

Nah, Melo beat him to that.

[Dice]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

So now Noah is an offensive scoring presence? Okay.

[Bornindamecca]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

If Manu Ginobili and Tim Duncan are closers, why can't Derrick Rose be one in the near future? He was drafted #1 overall, has loads of potential, is considered a top 5 PG by many in his 3rd year, and has played well in the playoffs thus far.

Why can't he be one of those top 10 guys in 2-ish years?

Part of my thinking is that they need to ride this Derrick Rose thing out a bit. Sky is the limit with this kid. Don't stifle his growth with someone else who needs the ball to operate just yet. Figure out what you have with this group and build from there.

Also, Manu, Tony and Timmy are all closers in part because they are ALL closers. Having each other on the floor creates the space and keeps the defense honest, which allows the Spurs to make plays at the end of games. Games that they wouldn't be in if they weren't a great rebounding team.

Can't get too into the championship formula, because fact of the matter is the only three truly high level PGs to win it all in recent history have been Magic, Chauncey(debatable for many) and Isiah. Most teams that have won it haven't had a great PG, so you're going with a different formula from jump. (For the audience playing at home, Rondo's improvement has not been enough to counterbalance the decline of the C's perimeter and interior All Stars)

So either way, you have to bank on having the ball in Rose's hands. If you have a PG at that level, you've got to roll the dice with that plan. If you don't want to do that, better to trade Rose for Melo straight up, get a serviceable PG and go big with Melo, Boozer and Noah.

But that's crazy, so Rose is your guy. I'm not saying you can't get him a scorer, but not at the expense of his game or great interior defensive and rebounding play, along with double digits in garbage buckets.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

Thanks for the lesson teach, I now know what whining is due to your infinite knowledge. So now I'm critiquing a careeer improving move? I don't care if Melo improves his situation, however the problem is playing the deflection game about what he wants to do until his team and it's fans are on a high note with a big season opening win to suddenly decide it's time to say something. That's immature, LeBronish behaviour that tells me what would be in store for the Bulls when things aren't looking sunshine and roses here. So I'm whining by "declaring" one of the reasons he's making me not want him here at all at this point? Flipside though, you aren't whining by insulting the Bulls front office as foolish for making a move that YOU deem good for they're organization? Good job bud.



Iverson took a team full of scrubs to the Finals without even a Noah or Boozer. This solidifies nothing. There's no ONE thing you need to win a championship and all this cherry picking components from championship teams is starting to get a little ridiculous. How many championships has Melo won with his elite scoring? Exactly. How many chips does Durant have? How many did Tracy McGrady get? LeBron? Wade before Shaq showed up? How about Pierce prior to the big three? Those guys were all among the very top of the scoring charts in the league and didn't win anything. Guess we can start barking about how you can't win a title without a big man? Then you have to ask...what about Robinson all those years? How about Ewing? Dirk? Shaq before hooking up with Kobe? Dwight? Oh guess it's back to not being able to win one without an elite wing/scorer. Fact is the best TEAM is going to win the championship every single time.




And I'm looking beyond this season. The Bulls are not winning a chip anytime soon either way. Does Melo have it in him to wait it out with the Bulls as they try to get good enough to win with him? As we're seeing right now, no, no he doesn't. If the Bulls were to make a move for Melo he'd be signing a three year extension with the team or four at the most. You think he's going to not get himself an ability to opt out at the same time that Bron and crew can opt out of their deals? So counting this year, the Bulls would have him until either 2013 or 2014. They're not winning a championship before that and, New York is getting Paul in a few years regardless of what the Bulls do, so they're basically looking over they're shoulders the entire time because New York is where he truly wants to be anyway. Furthermore it's never been confirmed from Melo that he would be willing to go to the Bulls anyway and word is Denver didn't want Noah anyway, at least not if it meant taking on Deng, so how is the move supposed to get done?

What's even more annoying about this argument is just the fact that pretty much no one has addressed my concerns of what happens if Rose is alienated by the Bulls not believing in him if the deal is done and if he and Melo don't have chemistry together. It's the fact that we keep talking about Miami being the only problem for the Bulls with Melo cause Orlando is too inconsistent and Boston and LA will be old. Okay so with Miami having no inside presence how is it smart for the Bulls to give up the advantage that everyone else WON'T HAVE? The Lakers got size and are working on a three-peat because no one can match the advantage they got out of having Gasol, Odom and Bynum. How in the blue hell is it smart to give up your advantage of having a post scoring presence and defensive presence in the middle when you'll be the only one with that advantage? Who's New York gonna run in their front court against that especially when the Bulls add that scoring 2 to the equation?



Again how are we making statements on someone's career at the start of the third year? Who would've known Jordan would have an automatic fadeaway watching him after his first two years? Also love how this works with you guys. When it's down to keeping the core of Boozer, Rose and Noah he's injury prone and aging and any other knock on Boozer possible. Then the whole key to Melo being worth trading Noah is because he can build a big three with Rose and Boozer and Boozer will be the picture of health when they're rattling off all those championships that Melo will be closing out games on the way to. BTW if Melo is such a great closer, what happened in the Western Conference Finals? Super Melo should have closed that series out, game one especially.



Nah, Melo beat him to that.

The difference between the Lakers bigs and the Bulls bigs is that Bynum, Odom, and Gasol can all score, and they all have significant height and or athleticism. Boozer is undersized and Noah isn't a scorer unless it's a dunk.

Note: I don't necessarily disagree with you about keeping Noah over Anthony, I'm just pointing out that Noah isn't the type of guy that can take advantage of the Heat's bigs.

[elprez98]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

If you have a PG at that level, you've got to roll the dice with that plan. If you don't want to do that, better to trade Rose for Melo straight up, get a serviceable PG and go big with Melo, Boozer and Noah.

But that's crazy, so Rose is your guy. I'm not saying you can't get him a scorer, but not at the expense of his game or great interior defensive and rebounding play, along with double digits in garbage buckets.

I can agree with this 100%. Moving Rose for Melo would make a whole lot more sense. Hell I could see Rose being moved for Melo, Chauncey and a Denver 1st and 2nd. That would seem like an understandable trade for a team that was trying to win NOW and then look for a replacement for Billups with the draft picks.

BTW, when I was comparing Melo to Mashburn, I was talking about their on-court game play not talent level, i.e.: Mashburn is a poor man's Melo.

[Bondgirl0072]

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It sounds like to me that Carmelo wants out of Denver. Is there any chance The Denver Nuggets trade him?

[King_B_Mack]

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How in the blue hell is it smart to give up your advantage of having a post scoring presence and defensive presence in the middle when you'll be the only one with that advantage? Who's New York gonna run in their front court against that especially when the Bulls add that scoring 2 to the equation?

So now Noah is an offensive scoring presence? Okay.

Reading is fundamental Dice. I didn't say Noah was an offensive scoring presence. I was talking about the Bulls having Boozer as they're post scoring presence with Noah as the defensive presence that he can't be. It's just funny to me that that's one of the many components to a championship squad that no one seems to be cherry picking from list.

Part of my thinking is that they need to ride this Derrick Rose thing out a bit. Sky is the limit with this kid. Don't stifle his growth with someone else who needs the ball to operate just yet. Figure out what you have with this group and build from there.

Also, Manu, Tony and Timmy are all closers in part because they are ALL closers. Having each other on the floor creates the space and keeps the defense honest, which allows the Spurs to make plays at the end of games. Games that they wouldn't be in if they weren't a great rebounding team.

Can't get too into the championship formula, because fact of the matter is the only three truly high level PGs to win it all in recent history have been Magic, Chauncey(debatable for many) and Isiah. Most teams that have won it haven't had a great PG, so you're going with a different formula from jump. (For the audience playing at home, Rondo's improvement has not been enough to counterbalance the decline of the C's perimeter and interior All Stars)

So either way, you have to bank on having the ball in Rose's hands. If you have a PG at that level, you've got to roll the dice with that plan. If you don't want to do that, better to trade Rose for Melo straight up, get a serviceable PG and go big with Melo, Boozer and Noah.

But that's crazy, so Rose is your guy. I'm not saying you can't get him a scorer, but not at the expense of his game or great interior defensive and rebounding play, along with double digits in garbage buckets.

This is what I've been saying for like the last...twenty posts in here. If you were getting Melo straight up through free agency that's one thing, but why trade away your chemistry and main cog in your defense for a guy who's going to have to learn to play without the ball in his hands otherwise he's going to stunt Rose's growth. The same thing happened with Ben Gordon here. Rose couldn't flourish with Gordon here and he didn't really start to blossom until Gordon was gone. My whole thing was I don't think the two of them would get along like guys are trying to make it seem they would or at least aren't even taking into account how that would work. If you're so desperate to get Melo then you need to be willing to give up Rose in a deal because chances are you're going to lose him by taking the ball out of his hands and putting it in Melo's anyway. The guy is screaming from the mountaintop that he can and should be the guy for his hometown team and we're basically not even going to give him the chance?

Like I said, there's more to it than just plopping players together and watching a championship come. If it was that easy then Melo would have made it out of the first round more than once considering both he and Iverson were 20+ PPG scorers. How'd that turn out? But hey it'll work now in a tougher East even though it didn't work in the tough West.

The difference between the Lakers bigs and the Bulls bigs is that Bynum, Odom, and Gasol can all score, and they all have significant height and or athleticism. Boozer is undersized and Noah isn't a scorer unless it's a dunk.

Note: I don't necessarily disagree with you about keeping Noah over Anthony, I'm just pointing out that Noah isn't the type of guy that can take advantage of the Heat's bigs.

I'm not saying Noah's going to develop some superb offensive game that rivals Dream or anything, but Dwight Howard has no jumpshot and no post game whatsoever and he's a 20-10 guy, so why is scoring off easy buckets, put backs and the like such a recipe for failure for someone else? Besides that, the kid is still young and busts his *** every summer and reports that I've heard of him over the summer here on the local airwaves is that he has at least been working on his jumpshot and improving with it in addition to hitting the weights. It is not at all easy finding guys who don't slack off during the summer and during the year trying to get better. I dunno, I'm just saying I want to see what they can do with the core they have rather than blowing it up and getting burned at the end of the day for it.

[Bumi]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

]Thanks for the lesson teach[/B], I now know what whining is due to your infinite knowledge. So now I'm critiquing a careeer improving move? I don't care if Melo improves his situation, however the problem is playing the deflection game about what he wants to do until his team and it's fans are on a high note with a big season opening win to suddenly decide it's time to say something. That's immature, LeBronish behaviour that tells me what would be in store for the Bulls when things aren't looking sunshine and roses here. So I'm whining by "declaring" one of the reasons he's making me not want him here at all at this point? Flipside though, you aren't whining by insulting the Bulls front office as foolish for making a move that YOU deem good for they're organization? Good job bud.

You're welcome.

Just seems to me you're doing a ton of unnecessary whining. Hence your insults.

The sky is blue. The Bulls front office is foolish. Neither is whining.

Iverson took a team full of scrubs to the Finals without even a Noah or Boozer. This solidifies nothing.

And never won anything in a much weaker eastern conference. What's your point?

There's no ONE thing you need to win a championship and all this cherry picking components from championship teams is starting to get a little ridiculous. How many championships has Melo won with his elite scoring? Exactly. How many chips does Durant have? How many did Tracy McGrady get? LeBron? Wade before Shaq showed up? How about Pierce prior to the big three? Those guys were all among the very top of the scoring charts in the league and didn't win anything. Guess we can start barking about how you can't win a title without a big man? Then you have to ask...what about Robinson all those years? How about Ewing? Dirk? Shaq before hooking up with Kobe? Dwight? Oh guess it's back to not being able to win one without an elite wing/scorer. Fact is the best TEAM is going to win the championship every single time.

You're completely missing the point. History supports the notion that an elite scorer with serviceable big men and and a good to great second options can win a chip. However; Never, in the modern history of the NBA, has a team won a chip with a PG as their primary means of offense. Never, and it aint happening with the Bulls.

And I'm looking beyond this season. The Bulls are not winning a chip anytime soon either way. Does Melo have it in him to wait it out with the Bulls as they try to get good enough to win with him? As we're seeing right now, no, no he doesn't. If the Bulls were to make a move for Melo he'd be signing a three year extension with the team or four at the most. You think he's going to not get himself an ability to opt out at the same time that Bron and crew can opt out of their deals? So counting this year, the Bulls would have him until either 2013 or 2014. They're not winning a championship before that and, New York is getting Paul in a few years regardless of what the Bulls do, so they're basically looking over they're shoulders the entire time because New York is where he truly wants to be anyway. Furthermore it's never been confirmed from Melo that he would be willing to go to the Bulls anyway and word is Denver didn't want Noah anyway, at least not if it meant taking on Deng, so how is the move supposed to get done?

Um... what? He's previously claimed(according to "sources") that his top 3 choices are New Jersey, New York, and Chicago. Thinking realistically, l very much doubt he's going to be unsatisfied in a major city like Chicago, playing for a great Bulls team(with him) and perennial title contender.

What's even more annoying about this argument is just the fact that pretty much no one has addressed my concerns of what happens if Rose is alienated by the Bulls not believing in him if the deal is done and if he and Melo don't have chemistry together.

Winning heals all wounds. But if Rose is that much of a drama queen, which I don't think he is, than his attitude and persona aren't much separated from LeBron, whom you clearly seem unhappy with.

It's the fact that we keep talking about Miami being the only problem for the Bulls with Melo cause Orlando is too inconsistent and Boston and LA will be old. Okay so with Miami having no inside presence how is it smart for the Bulls to give up the advantage that everyone else WON'T HAVE? The Lakers got size and are working on a three-peat because no one can match the advantage they got out of having Gasol, Odom and Bynum. How in the blue hell is it smart to give up your advantage of having a post scoring presence and defensive presence in the middle when you'll be the only one with that advantage? Who's New York gonna run in their front court against that especially when the Bulls add that scoring 2 to the equation?

Don't get it twisted. Noah is far from a "low post scorer", especially not in the way Odom, Gasol, and Bynum are. Secondly, even without Noah the Bulls would have a solid front court in Gibson and Boozer.

Again how are we making statements on someone's career at the start of the third year? Who would've known Jordan would have an automatic fadeaway watching him after his first two years?

Jordan was efficient, elite, scorer from the moment he stepped on the court. Rose isn't, nor has he ever been. Take away access to the lane and Rose is pretty much done.

Also love how this works with you guys. When it's down to keeping the core of Boozer, Rose and Noah he's injury prone and aging and any other knock on Boozer possible.Then the whole key to Melo being worth trading Noah is because he can build a big three with Rose and Boozer and Boozer will be the picture of health when they're rattling off all those championships that Melo will be closing out games on the way to.

An elite scorer alleviates the strain on Boozer, perserving his health in a sense. The more options you have, the better it is on the overall well being of your team. Team can't key and beat up on a single aspect of your team.

BTW if Melo is such a great closer, what happened in the Western Conference Finals? Super Melo should have closed that series out, game one especially.

Because he was pitted against a superior team?

How many eastern conference finals games have Rose and Noah played in?

Nah, Melo beat him to that.

Melo's career > Noahs

[King_B_Mack]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

You're welcome.

Just seems to me you're doing a ton of unnecessary whining. Hence your insults.

The sky is blue. The Bulls front office is foolish. Neither is whining.

And Melo crying about getting out of Denver and pulling what he's pulling is a bitchmove. An insult is an insult, if I'm whining because I said he's acting like a bitch then you're whining by insulting the Bulls for not doing what YOU think is a good idea. It's a matter of opinion whether it's a good move or not, they don't share the opinion that you do so you're calling them foolish. Grow up, not like they're going to listen to either one of us anyway.

And never won anything in a much weaker eastern conference. What's your point?

He was they're primary scorer and took them within four games of a title. He at least won a conference title, what's Melo got for all his scoring? That's right the same thing as you and I.

You're completely missing the point. History supports the notion that an elite scorer with serviceable big men and and a good to great second options can win a chip. However; Never, in the modern history of the NBA, has a team won a chip with a PG as their primary means of offense. Never, and it aint happening with the Bulls.

No I'm not missing the point of anything, sports doesn't work that way, life doesn't work that way. The Texas Rangers had never won a Playoff series before, guess that means it's never going to happ...oh nevermind. A team had never went 16-0 before, guess that means it's nev...oh wait nevermind. Because something hasn't happened doesn't mean it's incapable of happening. But hey since you know so much about the future, why don't you hook me up with some lottery numbers.

Um... what? He's previously claimed(according to "sources") that his top 3 choices are New Jersey, New York, and Chicago. Thinking realistically, l very much doubt he's going to be unsatisfied in a major city like Chicago, playing for a great Bulls team(with him) and perennial title contender.

Really? Sources? Really?

Winning heals all wounds. But if Rose is that much of a drama queen, which I don't think he is, than his attitude and persona aren't much separated from LeBron, whom you clearly seem unhappy with.

In this situation I wouldn't blame Rose for being POed being dissed by his team that way.

Don't get it twisted. Noah is far from a "low post scorer", especially not in the way Odom, Gasol, and Bynum are. Secondly, even without Noah the Bulls would have a solid front court in Gibson and Boozer.

This is a joke right? So the Bulls are going to win a championship with a frontcourt of Melo, Boozer and Gibson? Okkkkkkay.

Jordan was efficient, elite, scorer from the moment he stepped on the court. Rose isn't, nor has he ever been. Take away access to the lane and Rose is pretty much done.

You keep saying that Rose isn't a efficient scorer, what numbers are you looking at exactly? I'm actually curious how many Bulls games you actually watch that you think Rose is useless if he isn't driving. Just off the top looking at the two players Melo and Rose. Rose is 47 and 48% from the field in his first two years and is 16.0 and 18.6 in PER league average is 15. So a career .482 from the field and 17.3 PER so far in his career, meanwhile Melo is shooting 44 and 45% from the field in the same time span and has 19.0 and 22.2 PER. Career he's a .459 from the field and 20.1 PER. Is he really that bad? If you'd like career effective percentages Rose is .488, Melo .478

An elite scorer alleviates the strain on Boozer, perserving his health in a sense. The more options you have, the better it is on the overall well being of your team. Team can't key and beat up on a single aspect of your team.

On this note I think I'm going to bow out of this discussion with you. Seriously? Elite scorer is going to keep Boozer healthy? How's that working out for Bynum? Yao? I'm done, definitely.