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  • Dice
    Sitting by the door
    • Jul 2002
    • 6627

    #766
    Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

    Originally posted by BlueNGold
    KG should have won MVP that year. I don't know how he wasn't the "Most Valuable" player in the league that year just based off the fact of how he changed the entire culture of that team.

    This is a little off-topic though, ha.
    Kobe won MVP that year, which isn't a bad choice either. There were a couple of players that year that could have won it and had no problem with it. Chris Paul, LeBron James, Dwight Howard, Kevin Garnett. Kobe eventually won it and I think no one had a problem with that.
    I have more respect for a man who let's me know where he stands, even if he's wrong. Than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil. - Malcolm X

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    • BlueNGold
      Hall Of Fame
      • Aug 2009
      • 21817

      #767
      Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

      Originally posted by Dice
      Kobe won MVP that year, which isn't a bad choice either. There were a couple of players that year that could have won it and had no problem with it. Chris Paul, LeBron James, Dwight Howard, Kevin Garnett. Kobe eventually won it and I think no one had a problem with that.
      I did because that was the same year Kobe had his little pout-fest and tried to get himself traded. Then they got Gasol and things turned around.

      To me the MVP had to either be KG, Paul or LeBron that year. Kobe got it a year late. When he put up 35 PPG was when he should have won it.
      Originally posted by bradtxmale
      I like 6 inches. Its not too thin and not too thick. You get the support your body needs.



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      • TMagic
        G.O.A.T.
        • Apr 2007
        • 7550

        #768
        Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

        I can't agree with those that say that the Bulls, with Melo, wouldn't be as good as the rest of the East's elite.

        I can really see them being able to compete with the top dawgs out in the East.

        I'm not saying that they will be able to have a better in-season record or that they will be the best team. But I don't think you can dismiss them year after year just because of Miami and their big three.

        The Heat may have more individual talent/star power, but that does not automatically make them the better team. Especially if they met in the playoffs. I can see the Heat having a better record than the Bulls year in and year out, then battling it out with the Bulls in the playoffs year after year.

        Mainly because in the playoffs, it's about matchups, coaching strategy, and defense.

        I can see Rose giving the Heat fits and be the best player on the floor in many games over the coarse of a series even though he isn't the best talent out there. We've seen how good he is in the playoffs the past two years. He has stretches where he is unguardable and just carries the team when he is aggressive.

        The Bulls can just milk Rose and the pick and roll all series long. Even though he isn't as good an individual talent like Wade or James, he can still take over games and have similar or even better production than them if the Heat are unable to slow him down. All because of matchups. Just ride him until the Cavs come up with an answer, and they may not be able to come up with an answer for the entire series. This can prove to be their trump card in a head to head series.

        Boozer and Bosh can end up being a wash.

        And with Melo, you have another guy on the team who can shoulder the team offensively. He can have a monster night any game scoring and has shown the ability to go toe to toe with other elite wings like LeBron and Kobe. If nothing else is working offensively, they now have a guy they can just give the ball to and say "**** it. Do your thing." That's huge. They don't have that right now. He's not the playmaker that Wade or Bron is, but they won't need him for that because they have a top flight point guard to do that. They just need Melo to do what he does best; putting the ball in the basket. And he does that just as well as any player in the league.

        Then coaching comes into play. If Thibs can work his defensive wizardry against the Heats "Big Three", I don't see why the Bulls don't have a shot. They'll be in each and every game until the end.

        So I don't see the Heat just being locks year in and year out. Nor do I see that a Melo signing would just be a waste because of the Heat being there even though they have better "individual" talents.

        There are so many other factors that come into play, and in the playoffs it takes more than just talent to win. If I'm a Bulls fan, I want Melo on my team.
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        • elprez98
          MVP
          • Dec 2003
          • 4237

          #769
          Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

          I want you guys to notice, Noah had 18 point and 19 rebounds in the close opening loss to the Thunder in OKC. Yes, its not scoring, but that kind of stat line is equally, if not, more important than a 30+ point effort with little-to-no defense, which is what Melo brings to the table. We'll have three scorers with Rose, Boozer and Deng when Boozer returns. The Bulls are not a better team with Melo, period. If anything, we need a shooter to replace Brewer.
          Originally posted by My Wife
          "The Celtics only won because they have a magical elf playing for their team...."

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          • Dice
            Sitting by the door
            • Jul 2002
            • 6627

            #770
            Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

            Originally posted by elprez98
            I want you guys to notice, Noah had 18 point and 19 rebounds in the close opening loss to the Thunder in OKC. Yes, its not scoring, but that kind of stat line is equally, if not, more important than a 30+ point effort with little-to-no defense, which is what Melo brings to the table. We'll have three scorers with Rose, Boozer and Deng when Boozer returns. The Bulls are not a better team with Melo, period. If anything, we need a shooter to replace Brewer.
            Can you tell me who was our go-to scorer in the second half once the Thunder started taking away Derrick Rose drive? I give credit where credit is due, Noah had an excellent game. And had a big part in keeping us in the game. BUT unfortunately, because he cannot score, he couldn't finish it out. Melo would have made it much easier to finish out the game because he is a scorer has well. And against a team like the Thunder, our front line without Noah would have still pounded them on the glass. The Thunder's starting front line had a combined 14 boards. Gibson alone had 11. And despite the fact that if you took away the 19 boards Noah had, the Thunder would have out boarded us. BUT guess who was the leading rebounder for the Thunder? Westbrook, who had 10 boards. YOU CANNOT LET the PG get 10 boards on you. You keep Westbrook off the boards and we could have still pounded them on the glass without Noah.

            Now all of this is a moot point because we've already signed Noah to the extension and I believe NBA rules states that you cannot trade a player you just signed until a year. I think that's how it works. But anyway, were stuck with Noah. And believe me, I'm pushing and hoping that he proves me wrong. BUT expect more games like what you saw last night from the Bulls. We don't have enough offensive firepower to compete on the road with teams like the Thunder. Last night, we could have used that extra scorer. If your looking to be a successful NBA team with aspirations of a championship, your PG cannot be your best scorer with no low post presence to feed. Boozer better come back in a hurry. As I stated many times, the object of the game is to have a higher score than the opposing team. Not have a higher rebounding total. Last night, the Bulls outboarded the Thunder 51-44 and we still lost.
            I have more respect for a man who let's me know where he stands, even if he's wrong. Than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil. - Malcolm X

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            • 23
              yellow
              • Sep 2002
              • 66469

              #771
              Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

              If the Bulls had an inside last night, they could've won that game. I credit Taj and Noah because they did great, but Dice is right, another scorer was sorely needed and it stuck out but Boozer could've likely curbed some of that razzle dazzle run and gun stuff.

              Chicago needs to get off of the perimeter at points in the game. It was easier for them to target Rose since he was really the main threat and Melo could've def been a big help on that end.

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              • elprez98
                MVP
                • Dec 2003
                • 4237

                #772
                They don't get down the stretch without Noah. Melo scores but he doesn't do anything else. That's one of the main reasons he isn't talked about as one the top players in the league. Gibson and Noah combined for what 32 points and 30 rebounds? That doesn't consider their hustle and defense. The Bulls made the right decision.
                Originally posted by My Wife
                "The Celtics only won because they have a magical elf playing for their team...."

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                • Dice
                  Sitting by the door
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 6627

                  #773
                  Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                  Originally posted by elprez98
                  They don't get down the stretch without Noah. Melo scores but he doesn't do anything else. That's one of the main reasons he isn't talked about as one the top players in the league. Gibson and Noah combined for what 32 points and 30 rebounds? That doesn't consider their hustle and defense. The Bulls made the right decision.
                  Whether Noah kept them in the game is objective. NOW, he had a hand in keeping them in the game but I can also say that Rose kept them in the game and I wouldn't be wrong. BUT as most NBA games, it comes down to that fourth quarter. The game was tied 82-82 at the end of the 3rd quarter and Noah's rebounding wasn't enough for the Bulls to win the ballgame.

                  And as I stated, the Thunder wasn't really a threat on the boards to the Bulls. When your PG is your leading rebounder, you really need not worry. They could have still pounded them without Noah.

                  So people keep harping on how Melo can't play defense. Can Noah score without Rose setting him up with an assist? That's my question.
                  I have more respect for a man who let's me know where he stands, even if he's wrong. Than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil. - Malcolm X

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                  • elprez98
                    MVP
                    • Dec 2003
                    • 4237

                    #774
                    You will not find a championship team that wins without defense. Everyone in the NBA can score. Name an NBA team that has won an NBA championship without a good defensive big man. I don't care how much you score.
                    Originally posted by My Wife
                    "The Celtics only won because they have a magical elf playing for their team...."

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                    • elprez98
                      MVP
                      • Dec 2003
                      • 4237

                      #775
                      Since when is a 20/20 game a subjective opinion on keeping a team in a game?
                      Originally posted by My Wife
                      "The Celtics only won because they have a magical elf playing for their team...."

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                      • Bumi
                        Banned
                        • Sep 2010
                        • 967

                        #776
                        Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                        Originally posted by elprez98
                        Since when is a 20/20 game a subjective opinion on keeping a team in a game?
                        The only reason Noah had 20 boards is because the Thunder have a weak front court. The Bulls problem is they can't score. No one on their roster sans Rose can create their own shot. Noah is serviceable at best. He flat out can't score on his own.

                        The Bulls should've scooped up Melo. Players who can crash the board come a dime a dozen, elite scorers are hard to come by.

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                        • Dice
                          Sitting by the door
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 6627

                          #777
                          Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                          Originally posted by elprez98
                          You will not find a championship team that wins without defense. Everyone in the NBA can score. Name an NBA team that has won an NBA championship without a good defensive big man. I don't care how much you score.
                          If you read my previous post, I never said championship teams didn't have to play defense. You don't have to be number one BUT be at least one of the top five in defense. And I disagree with your 'Everyone in the NBA can score' statement. Ben Wallace. Joel Anthony. Samuel Dalembert. Just to name a few. I can go on forever but I don't have the time.

                          I don't remember Luc Longely being all that great. BUT he's got 3 rings. Maybe because Jordan and Pippen didn't allow Luc to do much in the paint defensively?

                          So I answered your question, answer mines. Out of the last 25 years, what championship team has won the title without a 20 point/game scorer? Then after you find it, give me the percentages of championship teams that had 20 point scorers and come back to me on this.
                          I have more respect for a man who let's me know where he stands, even if he's wrong. Than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil. - Malcolm X

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                          • Dice
                            Sitting by the door
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 6627

                            #778
                            Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                            Originally posted by elprez98
                            Since when is a 20/20 game a subjective opinion on keeping a team in a game?
                            Check your stats. He had 18-19. Close but almost is not 20-20.
                            I have more respect for a man who let's me know where he stands, even if he's wrong. Than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil. - Malcolm X

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                            • ProfessaPackMan
                              Bamma
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 63852

                              #779
                              Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                              Good lord I've never seen a player become so overrated fast like Melo is right now.
                              #RespectTheCulture

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                              • Dice
                                Sitting by the door
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 6627

                                #780
                                Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                                Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                                Good lord I've never seen a player become so overrated fast like Melo is right now.
                                That's nothing. Bulls fans want to put Noah in the hall of fame.
                                I have more respect for a man who let's me know where he stands, even if he's wrong. Than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil. - Malcolm X

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