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  • brahmagoul
    MVP
    • Jun 2003
    • 1860

    #841
    Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

    It's amazing how all these guys from the class of 2003 are losing stock in my eyes -- regarding class. Melo is probably most deserving of on-court criticism than anyone. He's had the most stacked teams of anyone (LeBron, Wade, Bosh), and has nothing more to show for it than some division titles.
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    • Bornindamecca
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      • Jul 2007
      • 10919

      #842
      Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

      Originally posted by brahmagoul
      It's amazing how all these guys from the class of 2003 are losing stock in my eyes -- regarding class. Melo is probably most deserving of on-court criticism than anyone. He's had the most stacked teams of anyone (LeBron, Wade, Bosh), and has nothing more to show for it than some division titles.
      Melo has never played on a team as talented as Wade's Miami team. Not even close. That Miami team was projected to win the championship in the summer.
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      • elprez98
        MVP
        • Dec 2003
        • 4237

        #843
        Just listening to the Dan Patrick show and he had C-Webb on there. He asked Webber would he build his team around Paul or Melo. Webber replied, "Melo. I'd tell Anthony, look man I'm going to build this team around you but I'm going to need you to score and play defense. If I can get you to play defense then I can convince the pieces around you to play defense.".

        My sentiments exactly.
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        • mKoz26
          In case you forgot...
          • Jan 2009
          • 4685

          #844
          Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

          Bumi, a few questions for ya:

          1. How often do you watch the Bulls?
          1a. Where did you get the idea that Rose is an inefficient scorer?
          1b. How was Michael Jordan an efficient scorer the second he stepped on the court?
          1c. What does "efficient" mean? Specifically. In basketball terms.

          2. How can a frontcourt with exactly 0 above-average defenders win a title?

          3. Why can't a team make history? Who was the first team led to win a title without a star big before Jordan? Who won without a star player before Detroit in '04? etc etc
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          • PrettyT11
            MVP
            • Jul 2008
            • 3220

            #845
            Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

            Originally posted by Bumi
            You're completely missing the point. History supports the notion that an elite scorer with serviceable big men and and a good to great second options can win a chip. However; Never, in the modern history of the NBA, has a team won a chip with a PG as their primary means of offense. Never, and it aint happening with the Bulls.
            You couldn't be anymore wrong with this statement right here. If you knew NBA history you would know that the vast majority of the championship teams was won with elite big men. For those titles that was not they was lead by a all around great player. A few of those was lead by a PG. So there goes your argument about it never happening. I guess you don't remember Magic Johnson or Isiah Thomas. Hell even Billups lead a team to a title as the primary offensive player. It has been done before. For the time when Jordan dominated the league he was far more than just an elite scorer.

            Fact is what you are suggesting the Bulls do has never worked in NBA history. No team has ever won a title lead by a one dimensional player. All Melo brings to the table is points. That is all. He is not a defender, a weak passer when he does decide to pass the ball, and is not a leader. That is not the description of a player who can lead you to a title. To take it a step further no team has ever won an NBA title without good interior defense. It has never happened and never will. If you can't protect the basket you will not win. The Bulls team you are saying we should have have wouldn't be able to protect the basket at all. It doesn't matter how many points you can score if you can't stop anybody else from scoring. History has already proven high scoring teams with no D can't and won't win.

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            • ProfessaPackMan
              Bamma
              • Mar 2008
              • 63852

              #846
              Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

              What's the difference between an efficient scorer and an INefficient scorer:

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              • capp34
                MVP
                • Mar 2007
                • 1313

                #847
                Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                How many players are better than Melo in the NBA? Some of you guys are talking like he not a franchise changer.
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                • PrettyT11
                  MVP
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 3220

                  #848
                  Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                  Originally posted by capp34
                  How many players are better than Melo in the NBA? Some of you guys are talking like he not a franchise changer.
                  No one is saying the dude isn't an all star or one of the best scorers in the game. But he is not a franchise changer. He is not the kind of player you blow your team up for to get. Like others have said for all his scoring and what not he has only been out of the first round once in seven years.

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                  • capp34
                    MVP
                    • Mar 2007
                    • 1313

                    #849
                    Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                    Originally posted by PrettyT11
                    No one is saying the dude isn't an all star or one of the best scorers in the game. But he is not a franchise changer. He is not the kind of player you blow your team up for to get. Like others have said for all his scoring and what not he has only been out of the first round once in seven years.
                    Its not his fault he played in a stacked Western Conference, no other superstar in the league would do anything with that roster in the west.
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                    • elprez98
                      MVP
                      • Dec 2003
                      • 4237

                      #850
                      Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                      Originally posted by capp34
                      Its not his fault he played in a stacked Western Conference, no other superstar in the league would do anything with that roster in the west.
                      Really? You don't think Lebron or Wade on Denver goes to the finals? Hell, if it weren't for a couple of bone-headed plays against the Lakers they really should have made it out the year before last. But the reason they got out of the 1st round was greatly due to Billups coming in and playing defense and holding Melo and the others accountable to playing defense.
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                      • PrettyT11
                        MVP
                        • Jul 2008
                        • 3220

                        #851
                        Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                        Originally posted by capp34
                        Its not his fault he played in a stacked Western Conference, no other superstar in the league would do anything with that roster in the west.
                        That's an excuse and one that's starting to get old at that. Being in the West never stopped other all stars from doing it more than once. Plus it's not like his teams was suffering close first round losses. They have been dominated in the playoffs. Other than the one season his teams playoffs record is 6-24.

                        Let's not act like his roster has been complete trash now. He has always had at least one other player who has been an all star on his team. He and Iverson was the highest scoring tandem in the league while he was there and they also had an NBA defensive player of the year in Camby. Then after Iverson he has had a finals MVP PG in Billups. Sounds like a pretty good roster to me. You say other guys wouldn't have wom more with that roster I completely disagree. James, Kobe, Wade, and Duncan off the top of my head all would have won more with that roster. James has taken a far weaker team than any of those Nuggets teams to the finals. Duncan has won a championship with a lot less talented roster than Melo has ever had.

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                        • ProfessaPackMan
                          Bamma
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 63852

                          #852
                          Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                          James has taken a far weaker team than any of those Nuggets teams to the finals. Duncan has won a championship with a lot less talented roster than Melo has ever had.<!-- / message -->
                          1. In a far weaker Conference at the time as well.

                          2. A lot less though? Ehhh I don't know about "a lot less" talented roster...
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                          • PrettyT11
                            MVP
                            • Jul 2008
                            • 3220

                            #853
                            Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                            Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                            1. In a far weaker Conference at the time as well.

                            2. A lot less though? Ehhh I don't know about "a lot less" talented roster...
                            1.It was in the east but they beat a championship team to get there. One that was the heavy favorite at that. You have to give some credit for that. That proved that LeBron could take a lesser team to greater heights.

                            2. Yes it was a far less talented team in 03 that won it all. We are talking about a second year Tony Parker, a rookie Manu, a 37 year old and part time David Robinson to go along with Malik Rose and a second year completely unknown Stephen Jackson. That team had zero offensive fire power and Duncan carried them all the way to the title. That isn't anywhere near the talent level of the Melo, Iverson, Camby, and crew Nuggets or last years team for that matter.
                            Last edited by PrettyT11; 10-29-2010, 07:46 PM.

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                            • ProfessaPackMan
                              Bamma
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 63852

                              #854
                              Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                              1. It was impressive. But the way you made it sound(or at least phrased it)you made it seem like 'Oh since Lebron did it with no problem in the East, Carmelo should('ve)done it in the tougher West as well. That's the only reason why I took issue with that.

                              2. I guess we have different definitions of " a lot less" because when I think of that, I think of J. Kidd had took to the Finals in back to back years. Not THAT would be considered " a lot less" to me at least.
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                              • PrettyT11
                                MVP
                                • Jul 2008
                                • 3220

                                #855
                                Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                                Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                                1. It was impressive. But the way you made it sound(or at least phrased it)you made it seem like 'Oh since Lebron did it with no problem in the East, Carmelo should('ve)done it in the tougher West as well. That's the only reason why I took issue with that.

                                2. I guess we have different definitions of " a lot less" because when I think of that, I think of J. Kidd had took to the Finals in back to back years. Not THAT would be considered " a lot less" to me at least.
                                1. Oh naw it wasn't ment like that. The only reason why I brought LeBron and them up is because the other guy said nobody else in the NBA could have/can win more in Denver than Melo has/can.

                                2. Oh no doubt Kidd's squad he took to the finals meets the grade as well no question. I was going to add him to the list as well but he isn't the same guy now that he was then. If we was talking about a prime Kidd no doubt. Also cause his teams was in the east as well. Last thing about that Spurs team though. Not saying you are but alot of guys might/do see the names Parker and Manu and see them as the all stars they are now and not the unproven and not nearly as good players that they were then. That team was Timmy, and old and part time Robinson, and a bunch of either old or unknown guys.

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