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  • dossier
    Banned
    • Oct 2006
    • 2272

    #121
    Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

    Originally posted by The15thunter
    because, unlike in football where there are 52 other players you can lean on, basketball is a team sport wrapped in the talents of individuals. a dominant basketball player has a much larger effect on his team and the outcome of a game than in the other major sports. for that reason, it doesn't make sense to just allow the player to not play, but it also hurts the team if they play and half-*** it (vince carter), which is why they end up trying to work things out or trade him for less than he's worth. salvaging anything is better than having nothing.
    So can't they severely fine them if it's apparent that they arn't trying. I mean with less people that means it would be even more evident that the player is slacking.

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    • ProfessaPackMan
      Bamma
      • Mar 2008
      • 63852

      #122
      Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

      Originally posted by dossier
      Looks like the Nets arn't trading lopez:


      *sigh of relief*
      I think that was known from the beginning of this offseason that he was untouchable.

      Originally posted by jeebs9
      Whats the difference between this situation and the LeBron situation?
      One is under contract and the other wasn't at the time and one(I'm assuming hasn't been planning this out)while the other one had their mind made up from the beginning.
      #RespectTheCulture

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      • ProfessaPackMan
        Bamma
        • Mar 2008
        • 63852

        #123
        Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

        Originally posted by dossier
        So can't they severely fine them if it's apparent that they arn't trying. I mean with less people that means it would be even more evident that the player is slacking.
        Players' Association wouldn't even let that slide if they did try to fine them.
        #RespectTheCulture

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        • ffaacc03
          MVP
          • Oct 2008
          • 3487

          #124
          Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

          Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
          Players' Association wouldn't even let that slide if they did try to fine them.
          Agree ... it is just too subjective to say he isnt making the propper effort ... like Vince.

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          • The15thunter
            MVP
            • Mar 2003
            • 1639

            #125
            Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

            yeah, as long as he's not blatantly throwing the games, i don't think the union would come down on the player.
            xbox gt - bmorerep87

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            • wwharton
              *ll St*r
              • Aug 2002
              • 26949

              #126
              Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

              Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
              While trying to insinuate that James was hamstringing the front office. Also tried to paint him in a certain shade, not a positive one. There was no reason for LBJ to ask for a trade. His team looked just as dominant as any other team in the conference. It's not hard to build around James anyway, LOL. Apparently Ferry and company couldn't figure it out when his best Robin in Cleveland was Larry Hughes and Mo Williams.

              You were also trying to insinuate that Melo is doing his organization better by trying to get out of his contract. I personally wouldn't go that far, I see it more towards the side of he quit.

              Bottom line I really don't see anything that wrong with what Melo is doing, if he knows he's going to leave so be it and at least Denver can begin looking now.

              However there's no way in hell I'm about to give him any credit for doing this if in fact he has privately asked for a trade.
              jeebs9 asked what's the difference between the situations (as if he doesn't believe there's much of a difference). Why are you arguing with someone who agrees with you that they aren't really similar? I think there are many reasons they aren't the same (people are still posting legit opinions on it)... no need to sweat the details.

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              • ex carrabba fan
                I'll thank him for you
                • Oct 2004
                • 32744

                #127
                Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                Originally posted by wwharton
                jeebs9 asked what's the difference between the situations (as if he doesn't believe there's much of a difference). Why are you arguing with someone who agrees with you that they aren't really similar? I think there are many reasons they aren't the same (people are still posting legit opinions on it)... no need to sweat the details.
                Huh?

                Not how I read it, and the guy I was responding to was clearly saying he was "holding CLE hostage" in a sense... something I didn't agree with.

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                • jeebs9
                  Fear is the Unknown
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 47568

                  #128
                  Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                  Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                  I think that was known from the beginning of this offseason that he was untouchable.


                  One is under contract and the other wasn't at the time and one(I'm assuming hasn't been planning this out)while the other one had their mind made up from the beginning.
                  How do you know LeBron had his mind made up? I think you been effected by all those blog and column stories.

                  I see players who want to win now. And are willing to make any changes to win. Or at least be given the chances to make it to the game (finals). In my opinion they are exactly the same if you cutaway from the BS (contracts, trades demands and etc) Samething goes for CP3..Or better yet..even when Kobe wanted out of LA back then. Its the samething. Players who want to win in their prime.
                  Hands Down....Man Down - 2k9 memories
                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IHP_5GUBQo

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                  • Cebby
                    Banned
                    • Apr 2005
                    • 22327

                    #129
                    Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                    Originally posted by jeebs9
                    How do you know LeBron had his mind made up? I think you been effected by all those blog and column stories.

                    I see players who want to win now. And are willing to make any changes to win. Or at least be given the chances to make it to the game (finals). In my opinion they are exactly the same if you cutaway from the BS (contracts, trades demands and etc) Samething goes for CP3..Or better yet..even when Kobe wanted out of LA back then. Its the samething. Players who want to win in their prime.
                    So you seriously don't see the difference between a player who is a free agent leaving and someone who is demanding a trade while still under contract?

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                    • jeebs9
                      Fear is the Unknown
                      • Oct 2008
                      • 47568

                      #130
                      Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                      Nope...Players who want to win now. Samething like when Kobe did it a few years ago.
                      Hands Down....Man Down - 2k9 memories
                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IHP_5GUBQo

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                      • ex carrabba fan
                        I'll thank him for you
                        • Oct 2004
                        • 32744

                        #131
                        Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                        Originally posted by jeebs9
                        Nope...Players who want to win now. Samething like when Kobe did it a few years ago.
                        I'm not following.

                        Kobe out of the three is the worst offender.

                        LeBron at least played out his contract and never ever even privately asked for a trade. He did his duty and gave 100% all season outside of those last few games in the playoffs where he shut it down for some reason.

                        Melo is clearly in-between both of these guys in terms of not really asking for a trade, but at the same time pretty much initiating things behind the scenes reportedly at least.

                        Melo to LeBron comparison just doesn't make any sense in this regard.

                        Lastly, how does this make Melo fit the "I want to win now" mold? LMAO. Same with Kobe. Kobe wanted to leave because he felt lied to by Mitch and Jerry.

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                        • wwharton
                          *ll St*r
                          • Aug 2002
                          • 26949

                          #132
                          Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                          Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                          Huh?

                          Not how I read it, and the guy I was responding to was clearly saying he was "holding CLE hostage" in a sense... something I didn't agree with.
                          I think the "Huh?" was about how you read Jeebs9's post... and I think your last reply shows you see that's what he was getting at.

                          As for the other part, you're both on the same side of disagreeing with jeebs9... no need to argue the details to the extent of turning this into yet another Lebron thread. Unless you haven't already made the same points in one of the many Lebron threads (not likely).

                          Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                          I'm not following.

                          Kobe out of the three is the worst offender.

                          LeBron at least played out his contract and never ever even privately asked for a trade. He did his duty and gave 100% all season outside of those last few games in the playoffs where he shut it down for some reason.

                          Melo is clearly in-between both of these guys in terms of not really asking for a trade, but at the same time pretty much initiating things behind the scenes reportedly at least.

                          Melo to LeBron comparison just doesn't make any sense in this regard.

                          Lastly, how does this make Melo fit the "I want to win now" mold? LMAO. Same with Kobe. Kobe wanted to leave because he felt lied to by Mitch and Jerry.
                          That's what I meant. The situations are different (imo too), jeebs9 is saying they're not. We can all stand together against him.

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                          • Cebby
                            Banned
                            • Apr 2005
                            • 22327

                            #133
                            Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                            Originally posted by jeebs9
                            Nope...Players who want to win now. Samething like when Kobe did it a few years ago.
                            If you want to win now then sign 1 year contracts with the Lakers, Celtics, Heat, or Magic.

                            Otherwise, do the classy thing like Lebron did and honor your contract unless something egregious happens (like you sign a contract and then on December 15th are traded to New Jersey or Milwaukee or something).

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                            • ffaacc03
                              MVP
                              • Oct 2008
                              • 3487

                              #134
                              Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                              I have yet to met or know a player who doesnt want to win "now" ... do you know of someone specific ? ... the reality might make them more modest, the extend in each player may vary but the dessire and expectation to win is always there to all.

                              Then again, the situations are "completly" different even without touching the "which one is worse".

                              Some are/were Free Agents and others are/were "under contract", be it in a multi year deal or with an opt out clause or in a 1 year deal.

                              All sort of factors incide in each case (legal, moral, power, chemestry, personality, media, team context) and affect differently, making each one differently.
                              Last edited by ffaacc03; 09-02-2010, 03:39 PM.

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                              • ProfessaPackMan
                                Bamma
                                • Mar 2008
                                • 63852

                                #135
                                Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                                Originally posted by jeebs9
                                How do you know LeBron had his mind made up? I think you been effected by all those blog and column stories.

                                I see players who want to win now. And are willing to make any changes to win. Or at least be given the chances to make it to the game (finals). In my opinion they are exactly the same if you cutaway from the BS (contracts, trades demands and etc) Samething goes for CP3..Or better yet..even when Kobe wanted out of LA back then. Its the samething. Players who want to win in their prime.
                                Sorry but it's not the samething nor are they the same. Sorry if you refuse to accept the obvious.
                                #RespectTheCulture

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