Allen Iverson : After the NBA

[JerzeyReign]

Re: Allen Iverson : After the NBA

The reason teams stay away from AI is because of his alcohol and gambling problems. Of course he could still come off the bench and be effective but with major dark clouds over him, its a hard thing to risk.

Its kind of like Rashad McCants and his attitude concerns.

You ish on the wrong people and its going to be a tough hill to climb to get back in the good graces.

[ojandpizza]

The reason teams stay away from AI is because of his alcohol and gambling problems. Of course he could still come off the bench and be effective but with major dark clouds over him, its a hard thing to risk.

Its kind of like Rashad McCants and his attitude concerns.

You ish on the wrong people and its going to be a tough hill to climb to get back in the good graces.

I think the Heat should have looked into this. Not now but last year. He would have been much better than having Howard or Curry at the end of your bench doing nothing, and with Wade and Mike Miller's injuries and not much production from Terrell Harris, he could have played a few minutes at the SG spot...If anything he would have been a good guy for Cole to learn from.

Right now, for this season, I think the Heat should really look into signing Oden. If it doesn't work out? Oh well, it's just another Pittman, Curry, Howard type guy at the end of your bench or IR that's getting zero minutes. If it does workout? They finally fill the void missing from no solid big man on their entire rotation, and his potential is still sky high.

The guy is huge. If he could actually make a come back and be the player he once should have been, or even 80% of that, LeBron really could run away with 5 or 6 rings..

To me it's just minimum risk for a possibly HUGE reward. IMO.. It's not like he needs to log huge starting minutes anyways.. 8-10 minutes per game from a legit big man would be just fine for the Heat.

[BornBetter]

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If he didn't do whatever he did in Memphis last year, AI is in the NBA right now. Maybe AI didn't do anything in Memphis, and the media spun it, either way it sounded like AI refused to come off the bench and that's what everyone remembers. That's why he's not in the NBA in my opinion.

Look up the "we talkin' about practice" press conference and the one where he goes off about "how many 10-time All-Stars do you know who come off the bench?" -- it wasn't the media it is his ego that killed his career.

[Muzyk23]

Re: Allen Iverson : After the NBA

It's really easy. First... Sheed is willing to taken a lesser role.

Second Sheed is a solid big men. Something that most teams are looking for.

And finally as much as Sheed is a T machine. He brings it every night. Even off the bench.

edit: It's Iverson own doing at the end of the day. Tons of players have dropped their old game in seek of a ring. Iverson wasn't one of them. It's truly sad.

I'm so glad he didn't drop his old game because he wouldn't have been the same player. He wanted to do it his way and we should respect that. Ring or no ring. I still to this day don't understand what happened in Detroit. They traded for a guy who averaged 26 and 7 assists and could not find a way to utilize him. The bum coach started bum player called Stuckey.

[Muzyk23]

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Look up the "we talkin' about practice" press conference and the one where he goes off about "how many 10-time All-Stars do you know who come off the bench?" -- it wasn't the media it is his ego that killed his career.

didn't AI say in one of the interviews that he beat every guard on the memphis team to the starting job? the truth is we will never know what really happened

[OSUFan_88]

Re: Allen Iverson : After the NBA

He wanted to do it his way and we should respect that.

You shouldn't. It's the main reason why he is a loser.

[Jukeman]

You shouldn't. It's the main reason why he is a loser.

So LeBron is not a loser anymore for doing it the way AI should have?


-Juke

[OSUFan_88]

Re: Allen Iverson : After the NBA

So LeBron is not a loser anymore for doing it the way AI should have?


-Juke

Yes.

Whether I dislike the guy or not, LeBron is a champ. AI is not. AI was too selfish to put team ahead of himself.

And that's why he is playing in China instead of being a good bench player in the NBA, because he can't accept his diminishing skills and ego hit.

[Jukeman]

Yes.

Whether I dislike the guy or not, LeBron is a champ. AI is not. AI was too selfish to put team ahead of himself.

And that's why he is playing in China instead of being a good bench player in the NBA, because he can't accept his diminishing skills and ego hit.

And where do you get that info?

Never heard of him turning down a job because he wasnt going to be a starter.

Actually no team call him since leaving Philly. I guess his fam issues and injuries in Turkey had nothing to do with a 34+ year old player not being in the NBA right now.




-Juke

[OSUFan_88]

Re: Allen Iverson : After the NBA

And where do you get that info?

Never heard of him turning down a job because he wasnt going to be a starter.

Actually no team call him since leaving Philly. I guess his fam issues and injuries in Turkey had nothing to do with a 34+ year old player not being in the NBA right now.




-Juke

So...how do explain the Memphis debacle where he flat out refused to come off the bench?

[DukeC]

Re: Allen Iverson : After the NBA

So...how do explain the Memphis debacle where he flat out refused to come off the bench?

The time he's referring to happened after the Memphis thing. Philly picked him up after Memphis let him go.

[OSUFan_88]

Re: Allen Iverson : After the NBA

The time he's referring to happened after the Memphis thing. Philly picked him up after Memphis let him go.

And he was happy in Philly because he was starting for one of the worst teams in the NBA.

Why do AI fans always blame his off the court problems? If the NBA is willing to give Delonte West a chance, AI should be a piece of cake. The problem is that AI simply has too much of an ego to come off the bench. It was a problem in Detroit, in Memphis, and now he is out of the NBA because of it.

[Jukeman]

And he was happy in Philly because he was starting for one of the worst teams in the NBA.

Why do AI fans always blame his off the court problems? If the NBA is willing to give Delonte West a chance, AI should be a piece of cake. The problem is that AI simply has too much of an ego to come off the bench. It was a problem in Detroit, in Memphis, and now he is out of the NBA because of it.

Actually his season with the Sixers was ended early for family problems also.

Only reason he was a starter here (brought here in the first place) was because not only was the Sixers so far away from a playoff spot, they also had the worst attendance in the league that year which shot right up when AI came back to Philly.

And the Memphis thing was about Hollins not playing him because of an injury where Iverson said he was not injured and wanted to play more.

Wtf is wrong with that?

..and um Delonte West is not in the twilight of his career...

I just do see how his "ego" (lol) is keeping him out of the league. Dude is turning 37 and when he actually played in a league (was what 2 years ago?!?!) he didnt light the league up and was also dealing with injuries.

If it was about the name then T-Mac would have a job in the NBA right now..






-Juke

[DukeC]

Re: Allen Iverson : After the NBA

And he was happy in Philly because he was starting for one of the worst teams in the NBA.

Why do AI fans always blame his off the court problems? If the NBA is willing to give Delonte West a chance, AI should be a piece of cake. The problem is that AI simply has too much of an ego to come off the bench. It was a problem in Detroit, in Memphis, and now he is out of the NBA because of it.

Wasn't defending him. Just clarifying the timeframe between the two teams. After Philly gave him one last hurrah (Because that's what it was) he started changing his tune, becuase he knew then it was truly over.

He's either A) Burnt too many bridges or B) Pissed off someone with a massive amount of influence. Either way, he's been blackballed. No one is going to admit that publicly but that's what has happened.

[Muzyk23]

Re: Allen Iverson : After the NBA

You shouldn't. It's the main reason why he is a loser.

That's your take on things. Mine is different.

Allen Iverson calls his one season in Detroit the "worst year of my career" and claims team officials and coach Michael Curry "lied" to him about coming off the bench instead of starting.

That's from October 2009 interview. So, basically they agreed with him on a role before signing the contract and then alienated him and told him come of off the bench or go away. They just disrespected him, made him lose trust with them and it has always been sth you don't do with Iverson.


And this is from Heisley:

Heisley spoke with Rose as late as Monday morning trying to reach an accommodation before the team decided to agree to the release.
"He said he had a personal problem and came in to talk to me about that," Heisley said. "I said 'go back and take whatever time you need, and when you're ready you can come back'...I feel like he's being honest with me. I think he respects me. I've leveled with him all down the line. I've always understood that it was going to be very difficult for Allen. He wants to start. He has a reputation as a player

"We made it clear that he would have to earn time because we've moved down the road. He wasn't angry about that. He was disappointed. I don't want you to think I'm not deeply disappointed. I am. But in no way am I going to put it on Allen. If he hadn't been injured during training camp it may have been different, because he would have had a chance to prove that he deserved to play more minutes."

"Because of personal matters that forced him to leave the team on November 7, Allen will step away from the game at this time, allowing him to focus on those matters," general manager Chris Wallace said in a statement. "As a result, we will be ending our contractual agreement with Allen, which will allow both parties to move forward. We wish Allen the best."

He got injured, didin't play in the pre-season, was new to the team, had personal matters to attend to, they wanted to bring him of the bench for the first few games.

It's not so black and white as it seems.