CBA/Lockout Discussion Thread

[mkharsh33]

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The owners will cancel the 2011-2012 season. Phoenix and Boston's owners have already stated they are willing to do so for the long-term financial ramifications of the league. My guess is other owners will join them in this and show solidarity because they will NOT continue with the current agreement. The players union will start to break down: guys will end up overseas, some will hit the panic button because they've overextended their lives financially, and the players will eventually cave in to the demands of ownership. I predict (but I could be wrong) that this will be one of the ugliest work stoppages in professional sports that we've witnessed. The league talks about their popularity yet it sounds like it's a facade to hide the financial failures the league is experiencing.

So, what will a player be worth? I predict it won't be what it was in the previous agreement. So, JPosse, I believe the players will have to "sacrifice" and that the owners "will spend less on player salaries" thus proving your two headed argument laid out in your post.

[da ThRONe]

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The owners will cancel the 2011-2012 season. Phoenix and Boston's owners have already stated they are willing to do so for the long-term financial ramifications of the league. My guess is other owners will join them in this and show solidarity because they will NOT continue with the current agreement. The players union will start to break down: guys will end up overseas, some will hit the panic button because they've overextended their lives financially, and the players will eventually cave in to the demands of ownership. I predict (but I could be wrong) that this will be one of the ugliest work stoppages in professional sports that we've witnessed. The league talks about their popularity yet it sounds like it's a facade to hide the financial failures the league is experiencing.

So, what will a player be worth? I predict it won't be what it was in the previous agreement. So, JPosse, I believe the players will have to "sacrifice" and that the owners "will spend less on player salaries" thus proving your two headed argument laid out in your post.

Unfortunately for the players this is likely the scenario that will play out. They can't out wait the owners. Keeping 30 groups/individuals in unity is easier then keeping 500guys in unity. Especially when the 30 is extremely wealthy.

The sad part is I thought the owners last proposal was pretty fair. I don't think the players are being realistic to think they will win here.

[King_B_Mack]

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Unfortunately for the players this is likely the scenario that will play out. They can't out wait the owners. Keeping 30 groups/individuals in unity is easier then keeping 500guys in unity. Especially when the 30 is extremely wealthy.

The sad part is I thought the owners last proposal was pretty fair. I don't think the players are being realistic to think they will win here.

Unfortunately for the players this is likely the scenario that will play out. They can't out wait the owners. Keeping 30 groups/individuals in unity is easier then keeping 500guys in unity. Especially when the 30 is extremely wealthy.

The sad part is I thought the owners last proposal was pretty fair. I don't think the players are being realistic to think they will win here.

Honestly I don't think that deal was ever truly on the table. The owners offered that **** knowing the players wouldn't take it to build cred with fans and media. It just make sense that they talked all this big time talk about changes and then give on every single item with that favorable deal for the players two weeks or a week before the deadline and because the players didn't take it now they're back to hardline hard cap or nothing talk. It just doesn't add up. They care enough about fans and getting a deal done to bend like that before the deadline but afterwards it's **** all of us that just want a deal done and basketball in the fall?

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That wasnt the first discussion they had though, they've been talking since before the all star game

[23]

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All of these guys threatening to go to Europe...do they really think thats going to make the owners cave?

[Dice]

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If enough players(especially the players that matter) go, then I'd figure that it would put pressure on the owners. Like it or not, owners don't want to see their star player overseas making money for European and Asian ball clubs. There has been some rumblings that Wade might consider it. We already know Kobe is thinking about it. Now if you take a scenario of Kobe and Wade going and if Wade can convince LeBron to come along you don't think the owners are worried about their 3 biggest stars overseas? Now this is purely speculation. BUT even in this scenario of Kobe, Wade and Lebron jumping ship, that's enough for the owners and Stern to say: "Ok, enough is enough." We've been continuously talking about it in this thread about how Stern loves to market his star players. So three of his star players goes overseas, who's he going to market then? Not saying it's going to happen BUT if it does they will cave.

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I dont know what he'd do, but he needs to think about that anyway, because its no longer a viable system of marketing working for his boss'

I just dont see it but if they did, I'd tell em sianara....then who's money are they going to complain about?

[da ThRONe]

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If enough players(especially the players that matter) go, then I'd figure that it would put pressure on the owners. Like it or not, owners don't want to see their star player overseas making money for European and Asian ball clubs. There has been some rumblings that Wade might consider it. We already know Kobe is thinking about it. Now if you take a scenario of Kobe and Wade going and if Wade can convince LeBron to come along you don't think the owners are worried about their 3 biggest stars overseas? Now this is purely speculation. BUT even in this scenario of Kobe, Wade and Lebron jumping ship, that's enough for the owners and Stern to say: "Ok, enough is enough." We've been continuously talking about it in this thread about how Stern loves to market his star players. So three of his star players goes overseas, who's he going to market then? Not saying it's going to happen BUT if it does they will cave.

If enough key players are serious about going overseas then this is huge for the players. Questions is are they willing and is there enough leagues who are willing and/or able to give the NBA stars the right contracts.

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No its not enough in Europe and truthfully if it was that great the guys who went there wouldve stayed

There are probably just a few teams that could sustain star players like that..and even then they're just using eachother

Kevin Durant hasnt been in the league long enough to threaten owners about money man lol

[mkharsh33]

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There is no pressure on the owners...none at all. If they state that they have lost (ballpark) $340 Million last season (collectively), then NOT having a season probably saves them money. Yes, some of the more popular teams stand to lose, but this next CBA seems like a pivotal one in league history. These guys heading to Europe (and elsewhere) probably won't sign deals any longer than 1 year. Standing by my prediction this lockout will cancel the season anyway, IMO, it's a moot point. Player Unions typically cave in before owners do...

[King_B_Mack]

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That wasnt the first discussion they had though, they've been talking since before the all star game

Yeah, but that still doesn't add up. The last proposal he's talking about I'm sure is the flex cap offer which was a pretty good deal. However if the players called they're bluffs and accepted, I highly doubt things would be over and done with just like that. If they're serious about getting a deal done then that offer never leaves the table. You don't put that out and then it doesn't get accepted so you go off the deep end with an unreasonable deal in the other direction. I just don't think that deal was a serious offer from the owners bottomline.

[King_B_Mack]

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There is no pressure on the owners...none at all. If they state that they have lost (ballpark) $340 Million last season (collectively), then NOT having a season probably saves them money. Yes, some of the more popular teams stand to lose, but this next CBA seems like a pivotal one in league history. These guys heading to Europe (and elsewhere) probably won't sign deals any longer than 1 year. Standing by my prediction this lockout will cancel the season anyway, IMO, it's a moot point. Player Unions typically cave in before owners do...

Pretty sure that's not accurate at all. I can't think of the last time outside of the NHL that the owners actually 'won' these CBA disputes.

[da ThRONe]

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There is no pressure on the owners...none at all. If they state that they have lost (ballpark) $340 Million last season (collectively), then NOT having a season probably saves them money. Yes, some of the more popular teams stand to lose, but this next CBA seems like a pivotal one in league history. These guys heading to Europe (and elsewhere) probably won't sign deals any longer than 1 year. Standing by my prediction this lockout will cancel the season anyway, IMO, it's a moot point. Player Unions typically cave in before owners do...

While I don't see the overseas thing as a viable options. On the off chances it does become one I don't think it can be dismissed.

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Well the players said it was a hard cap offer in disguise and thats why they rejected it, so proposing the same thing over and over wouldn't matter anyway, because they still locked them out

[23]

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While I don't see the overseas thing as a viable options. On the off chances it does become one I don't think it can be dismissed.

Its not dismissed... if thats what they want then let them prove it. Go to a worse situation than what they had as I said, and lets see who's ears those complaints fall on there... alot of those teams dont even pay players consistently... Can you imagine!?