CBA/Lockout Discussion Thread

[ffaacc03]

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A good article about the missguided conception when infering that the NBA has to/can achieve the NFL parity ... http://basketball.realgm.com/article...NFL_And_Parity

[da ThRONe]

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A good article about the missguided conception when infering that the NBA has to/can achieve the NFL parity ... http://basketball.realgm.com/article...NFL_And_Parity

This article is pointless. We get it football is king. Basketball has always marketed the strong and had a trickle down effect. We live in a different age now. People want to support contenders.

Bringing up college football is way off base. People identify with the school. If your at an Ole Miss game you love Ole Miss more than you love football. Pro fans don't tend to have that same since of loyalty.

[King_B_Mack]

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This article is pointless. We get it football is king. Basketball has always marketed the strong and had a trickle down effect. We live in a different age now. People want to support contenders.

Bringing up college football is way off base. People identify with the school. If your at an Ole Miss game you love Ole Miss more than you love football. Pro fans don't tend to have that same since of loyalty.

Honestly ThRONE, people really don't care about seeing contenders. People don't know what the hell they want to be honest. You give them what they say they want and they'll bitch about things not being the way they were. You continue giving them what you've been giving them and they'll bitch forever about how that other system would be so much better. 2005 and 2007 isn't all that far away. When the Pistons and Spurs were in the Finals all people outside of hardcore hoopheads did was bitch about how boring the Finals were and how much they hate the Spurs and Pistons. Now all of a sudden the world is obsessed with parity? When the Raptors and Grizzlies are duking it out in the Finals and the NBA is bitching about ratings being in the trash what will be calling for as a system fix then?

[Dice]

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This article is pointless. We get it football is king. Basketball has always marketed the strong and had a trickle down effect. We live in a different age now. People want to support contenders.

Bringing up college football is way off base. People identify with the school. If your at an Ole Miss game you love Ole Miss more than you love football. Pro fans don't tend to have that same since of loyalty.

So explain why the Nuggets, a 50 win team, was 15th in the league in attendance? Or the Grizzlies, who won 46 games and upset top seeded San Antonio in the first round, 27th in the league attendance?

[da ThRONe]

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So explain why the Nuggets, a 50 win team, was 15th in the league in attendance? Or the Grizzlies, who won 46 games and upset top seeded San Antonio in the first round, 27th in the league attendance?

Neither one of those teams were legit contenders.

[SPTO]

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Neither one of those teams were legit contenders.

Er...A 50 and 46 win team aren't legit? You sure have crazy expectations.

The west was so strong up and down the conference that just about any team could make some noise and possibly get into the finals. We saw just how deep it was with the Grizz upsetting the Spurs.

Also since they weren't "legit" but suddenly having real good seasons you'd think that people would flock to see their once crappy teams doing well but exactly the opposite happened.

[da ThRONe]

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Er...A 50 and 46 win team aren't legit? You sure have crazy expectations.

The west was so strong up and down the conference that just about any team could make some noise and possibly get into the finals. We saw just how deep it was with the Grizz upsetting the Spurs.

Also since they weren't "legit" but suddenly having real good seasons you'd think that people would flock to see their once crappy teams doing well but exactly the opposite happened.

Did anybody really think Denver or Memphis would win it all. Seriously?

[SPTO]

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Did anybody really think Denver or Memphis would win it all. Seriously?

Nope but as fans of those teams you should at least support what is an outstanding season considering the conference they're in and such.

[Dice]

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Once again teams like the Lakers have a huge advantage because of their market size. As much as the NBA is about individual franchises the bigger picture is the collective. The more teams in the league the more markets the game reaches the more revenue. This is another area the NFL has it right. The league as a collective has a tv deals then the share that revenue. That money alone makes it worth owning an NFL franchise. While the NBA let each franchise work their own deal giving further advantages to large market teams.

Football is not in every market. They are in markets where they are wanted. That's where the NFL got it right. You noticed that they're not in the LA market(second largest market in the country) and they are doing just fine. The NBA doesn't get it because they expand just to be expanding. Why in the world would the NBA move a franchise out of Charlotte because of the lack of support AND then turn around two years later and award an expansion franchise to that same city?

And the NBA does have a collective TV deal with ESPN/ABC. However, it's weekly just like the NFL. The NFL can do this because their schedule dictates it. Why would they need a local TV deal? The NBA teams, however, plays games 3-4 times a week. Who's going to show those games between those times? That's why the NBA teams need some sort of local TV deal. ESPN/ABC just can't show the NBA for 7 days a week

[Dice]

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Neither one of those teams were legit contenders.

OK. So tell me how teams like the Blazers and Cavs draw more fans than the World Champion Mavs? How does the Jazz have more fans in attendance in their games than the Lakers(a contender despite the outcome). Or how does the Warriors draw more fans than a 60 win team in Spurs?

[da ThRONe]

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Nope but as fans of those teams you should at least support what is an outstanding season considering the conference they're in and such.

Agreed. And that's my point marketing in the NBA isn't come out we may not win a title but were good. Its come see the 17x champs Los Angeles Lakers. So if the Lakers aren't in town people don't show up.

If there was some parity you could market a lot more teams as legit "title" contenders.

[da ThRONe]

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OK. So tell me how teams like the Blazers and Cavs draw more fans than the World Champion Mavs? How does the Jazz have more fans in attendance in their games than the Lakers(a contender despite the outcome). Or how does the Warriors draw more fans than a 60 win team in Spurs?

Can't really do any fact finding on my phone at work and I'm about to leave. But I would say things like ticket pricing and arena sizes would come into play here.

The NFL move teams around as well. So their market selection isn't elite. IMO they have groomed and marketed their sport better. Not to mention some other things that's I can't get into that falls in their favor.

[J_Posse]

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So if a guy complains about not making $14 million as opposed to $9 million, I'm supposed to feel sorry for him??? Wow...that's laughable. I guess $9 million a year doesn't go as far as it used to...

Yet, his earning potential is probably 8-14 years. He should want $14 million a season because he won't have that luxury past 35-36 years-old.

People need to stop comparing our situations as "regular" people to athletes, because last time I checked no one cared that Will Smith, Jim Carrey and Tom Cruise make $30+ million a picture. The players earn what the market dictates, but the owners (who represent the "market") are too stupid to curb their spending. Or did it make sense for Memphis, Atlanta and Milwaukee to hand out $300+ million in future pay to borderline all-stars (Joe Johnson, Rudy Gay) and journeyman (Drew Gooden)? No, now they want "give backs" because they're morons at money/roster management.

Why don't people complain that Big Oil, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg and Oprah Winfrey make too much money????

[mkharsh33]

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I bet "journeyman" actors and actresses don't make nearly the coin that the leading role does...

Q: how much is anyone worth? A: whatever someone will pay them.

We just willy-nilly throw this idea out that these guys SHOULD be paid around $14 million per if they're a star. Who says? Maybe the NBA owners are now saying those days are over. Yes, many owners are to blame for this, but the system is so screwed up that you almost have to overpay for a guy...

But at the end of the day I don't care if these guys ever play again or not. If many of them start defecting overseas, I bet they won't make the kind of money they want, and it will end up being 1) out of spite, and 2) the idea that making something is better than nothing.

[Court_vision]

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Why don't people complain that Big Oil, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg and Oprah Winfrey make too much money????

No one complains man........but those guys aren't "on strike" for more. Those guys try and keep their salaries as low key as possible.

If Bill Gates said tomorrow "I am not going to do anything more until I get paid more"......95% of people would say "well, screw you and go __ off. You won't be missed".

This is the problem the NBA players have now......their "claims of harship" have only just put in the spotlight how easy they have it. Not a good look.