CBA/Lockout Discussion Thread

[King_B_Mack]

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For the love of god will people stop talking about they're pay scales compared to pro athletes. Nobody gives a **** what you or whoever makes in relation to Chris Paul or Deron Williams or Tom Brady. I'm vastly underpaid at my job, but that doesn't mean I can't bitch about my boss trying to lowball me on what my level of work is worth because some guy in Texas has to flip burgers at six different restaruants to make ends meet.

It sucks I agree and in some ways it may not be fair. But a professional athlete/actor/musician shouldn't have to be payed beneath his/her worth cause somebody else who isn't half as valuable to his/her employers is in a bad spot. If I'm worth a dollar, I shouldn't have to just shut up and take a quarter because someone in a different profession would love to get paid a quarter.

[The 24th Letter]

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we dont agree often, but I completely agree with Mack here...

this is the job they earned, and thats what the job pays.

[Freak123]

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With the revenue and entertainment the players provide, the players should be getting paid a lot of money. Granted, they should get paid less and they're willing to do that as they've offered a giveback of about $600 million over a 6 year deal, but it will probably end up being around the $900 million to $1 billion in givebacks. Point is, players aren't vastly overpaid, they're paid for their value, and Mack, 2 posts above mine, is completely right.

[Court_vision]

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The people I feel sorry for are the ushers... vendors... maintenance... the common folk who get hurt in times like these, working for simple wages. They don't have millions of dollars stashed away in a bank...

I am yet to hear a word from the players "union" about these guys.

As a union member myself, it's common that affected groups are catered for / considered.

The players "union" is not a real union IMO.

[TheMatrix31]

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REALLY? Well, if this is the case in football, then why have teams like the Detroit Lions and Buffalo Bills haven't made the playoffs in 12 years? Why hasn't the Texans been in the playoffs since their inception in 2002? How about Oakland not having a winning season since 2003. Or the 49ers not having a winning season since 03?

Don't you think some of these teams would have made some sort of playoff push by now? As much as we talk about parity being in the NFL, I keep seeing the same bottom feeders year after year. Yes, the contending teams change up once in a while, but why am I still seeing teams like the Lions, Bills and Raiders being some of the worst football teams year after year?

Those are like, the only teams who haven't made the playoffs in quite a long time. The Super Bowl Champions, going back to 1990, are the Packers, Saints, Steelers, Giants, Colts, Steelers, Patriots, Patriots, Raiders, Patriots, Ravens, Rams, Broncos, Broncos, Packers, Cowboys, Niners, Cowboys, Cowboys, Redskins, Giants, Niners.

That's 13 franchises out of 30. And that's WITH the Patriots dynasty AND the Cowboys dynasty. And I'm pretty sure that every other team has made the playoffs since 2000 except for the Texans, Lions, and Bills. Almost 100% on that.

And you constantly see massive turnarounds in competitive levels in the NFL from year to year. Teams that can go 2-14 one year can go 10-6 the next year and it isnt much shock. Even if teams lose a lot, you can look at some and see that the margins of losing each week were the slightest of slight. Look at my Texans last year for example. 6-10, could have easily been 9-7 or 10-6 if literally a handful of plays went their way instead of the other way.

Going back to 1990, the champions are the Mavericks, Lakers, Lakers, Celtics, Spurs, Heat, Spurs, Pistons, Spurs, Lakers, Lakers, Lakers, Spurs, Bulls, Bulls, Bulls, Rockets, Rockets, Bulls, Bulls, Bulls, Pistons, Pistons.

That's 8 franchises.

Parity in the NFL is real. There is hardly any in the NBA at ALL. It just seems like it because way more teams make the playoffs, which waters down the playoffs each and every year and makes it much, much less of an accomplishment. Honestly, 16 teams in the playoffs is freakin' pathetic, for both the NBA AND the NHL.

Baseball, for all the belly-aching and bitching that people do about the Yankees, Red Sox, and their spending, has amazing spreading out of championships, actually.

Going back to 1990, we have the Giants, Yankees, Phillies, Red Sox, Cardinals, White Sox, Red Sox, Marlins, Angels, Diamondbacks, Yankees, Yankees, Yankees, Marlins, Yankees, Braves, Blue Jays, Blue Jays, Twins, and Reds. That's 13 different franchises that have won the World Series, and that's WITH the Yankee dynasty.

What was that thing? From 1998 til 2011, there have only been two WCFs that didn't feature the Lakers or the Spurs?

I don't know. This post is probably irrelevant.

[mkharsh33]

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So if a guy complains about not making $14 million as opposed to $9 million, I'm supposed to feel sorry for him??? Wow...that's laughable. I guess $9 million a year doesn't go as far as it used to...

[Kashanova]

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the same argument used for the players can be used for the owners as well, I have a hard time believing a lot of teams lost as much money as they say they did, The league needs revenue sharing, because even if for example a team lost 15 million, the lakers made more than triple that in profit.

[Bondgirl0072]

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Is there any chance there will be a new CBA before the season starts or not?

[da ThRONe]

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So if a guy complains about not making $14 million as opposed to $9 million, I'm supposed to feel sorry for him??? Wow...that's laughable. I guess $9 million a year doesn't go as far as it used to...

It's not a matter of feeling sorry, but understanding they have a right to fight for every dollar they can get just like all employee's/sub-contractors do.

If anything the change in pay affect their lifestyles way more then it does the owners. That's why players usually always cave once they start missing checks.

This isn't a boo hoo situation for anybody, but some people are calling them out for not wanting to take a pay cut. When they feel like the problem is how the teams are being managed not their salaries.

[Freak123]

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Is there any chance there will be a new CBA before the season starts or not?

Not a chance unless a miracle happens. It will drag on until at least November 15th, which is when players start missing checks. But, I'm unfortunately betting an entire season is lost, all the signs point to that right now.

[bigeastbumrush]

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Has anyone brought to attention to the Owners the lost revenue from a team like the Sacramento Kings (small market) who were jobbed outta the playoffs and additional revenues by the league's mandated crooked referees???

Or the teams whose playoff runs were ended because the league's mandated crooked referees held grudges against certain players (Rasheed Wallace, Allen Iverson, etc.)?

[mkharsh33]

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the same argument used for the players can be used for the owners as well, I have a hard time believing a lot of teams lost as much money as they say they did, The league needs revenue sharing, because even if for example a team lost 15 million, the lakers made more than triple that in profit.

They don't "need" revenue sharing. Why should the Lakers, one of the most popular teams in the league, "have" to share what they make? The Lakers organization makes wise decisions...should they have a proverbial gun held to their head and be forced to help the other stupid team that shares their arena, run by a notorious cheap owner who doesn't give a rip about his team or his staff?? Sorry, don't buy this....

Let's start with a simple principle: owning a sports team is SERIOUSLY RISKY BUSINESS!!!!!!!!!! There are no guarantees of a profit, and the odds are good you will NOT make money, but lose it. It's not revenue sharing, but rather common sense that, if you're not willing to take a loss on the balance sheet, sell the team to someone else who has more money than brains...

[da ThRONe]

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They don't "need" revenue sharing. Why should the Lakers, one of the most popular teams in the league, "have" to share what they make? The Lakers organization makes wise decisions...should they have a proverbial gun held to their head and be forced to help the other stupid team that shares their arena, run by a notorious cheap owner who doesn't give a rip about his team or his staff?? Sorry, don't buy this....

Let's start with a simple principle: owning a sports team is SERIOUSLY RISKY BUSINESS!!!!!!!!!! There are no guarantees of a profit, and the odds are good you will NOT make money, but lose it. It's not revenue sharing, but rather common sense that, if you're not willing to take a loss on the balance sheet, sell the team to someone else who has more money than brains...

Once again teams like the Lakers have a huge advantage because of their market size. As much as the NBA is about individual franchises the bigger picture is the collective. The more teams in the league the more markets the game reaches the more revenue. This is another area the NFL has it right. The league as a collective has a tv deals then the share that revenue. That money alone makes it worth owning an NFL franchise. While the NBA let each franchise work their own deal giving further advantages to large market teams.

[mkharsh33]

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...all this while the Great Oz, David Stern, is at the helm. I'm telling you, Stern is dumber behind the curtain than he publicly portrays himself. Under his watch he saw the NBA get wealthy...and then that wealth, sadly, turned into greed.

Now, following years of a broken system, the NBA is trying to figure out how to fix the mess they created. The only problem is that the mess is so big that will take probably two years of throwing rocks at each other before the players begin to pull a Kenny Anderson and have to start selling one of their 20 vehicles because their poor kid can't get the latest ipad.

[da ThRONe]

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...all this while the Great Oz, David Stern, is at the helm. I'm telling you, Stern is dumber behind the curtain than he publicly portrays himself. Under his watch he saw the NBA get wealthy...and then that wealth, sadly, turned into greed.

Now, following years of a broken system, the NBA is trying to figure out how to fix the mess they created. The only problem is that the mess is so big that will take probably two years of throwing rocks at each other before the players begin to pull a Kenny Anderson and have to start selling one of their 20 vehicles because their poor kid can't get the latest ipad.

I strongly dislike Stern as a commissioner. His arrogance and stubbornness is appalling. I still don't understand how he can force the players to dress up but refuses to do anything about flopping. Something that actually impacts the game.