CBA/Lockout Discussion Thread

**Eman5805** · 07-03-2011, 06:01 PM

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Contraction is a surefire way to alienate millions of fans.

**da ThRONe** · 07-03-2011, 06:07 PM

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If 22 of 30 teams are claiming loses do you only have a league with 8 teams?

23 · 07-03-2011, 06:34 PM

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Originally posted by WTF

No problem, not upset, that's just what I'm saying is going to happen if the league doesn't get out of the red. That's what the players don't understand. I get the fact that the owners have made some dumb moves, but in the end, if the players don't give up a little more of that generated revenue, then we're looking at several teams going under.

I'm not in favor of it, but that's where it's headed, and the players don't realizing that by playing hardball, they're kicking some of their buddies out of the league. I hope it's worth it.

agreed.... they want to keep the old way because they had their way, and its been over 10 years since the last cba/lockout... theyre going to have to concede this time or it might end up worse

and i checked nba tv yesterday... all they had on were wnba games, old old ABA slam dunk contests, old games from the 80s and 90s era..theyre completely serious about not showing anything modern

**WTF** · 07-03-2011, 06:55 PM

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Yeah, the early 90s dunk contests were on earlier.

**TheMatrix31** · 07-03-2011, 08:04 PM

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I'm actually happy they're showing old stuff. Hopefully they mix it up and show more old games , especially not ones we're already used to seeing.

**BronxRunner** · 07-04-2011, 03:42 AM

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No free agency now, maybe no games later. The NBA lockout claimed a quick casualty in Day 1, when the free agency period did not open as usual on July 1.

**elprez98** · 07-04-2011, 12:16 PM

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Originally posted by TheMatrix31

That is inaccurate. Pretty much the opposite of what should happen.

Whatever. NBA talent can't be replaced, but NBA owners can. You could replace all 30 owners with 30 other rich guys/gals and no one would know the difference. Replace Lebron James and suddenly the NBA isn't the NBA anymore.

Instead of paying players their worth, owners want to cap salaries? That's stupid. Cap team spending. If some idiot wants to give their franchise to Rashard Lewis, let them do it. There must be a cost, but to the detriment of owners not the players.

The whole idea that owners need an agreement to protect themselves from their own incompetence is simply laughable.

**mkharsh33** · 07-04-2011, 12:20 PM

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I don't know if anyone has shared this, but I frequent www.Celticsblog.com. This was an article provided there (linked) and considered one of the best pictures of the finances of the league.

Now, it's a bit boring and bland; a few charts which might take some time to understand. But i'd suggest taking a look at this. Hard to determine who's telling the truth, but this makes the owners look bad and appears that the Player's Union has a valid point.

Taking a look at the numbers behind the NBA labor dispute

http://dberri.wordpress.com/2011/06/30/taking-a-look-at-the-numbers-behind-the-nba-labor-dispute/

(Editor Dre’s Note: I took out an XKCD Comic here to insert my thoughts. This article is a great read with a ton of stuff to read over so I really wanted to insert some spoilers for those tha…

**TheMatrix31** · 07-04-2011, 06:31 PM

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Originally posted by elprez98

Whatever. NBA talent can't be replaced, but NBA owners can. You could replace all 30 owners with 30 other rich guys/gals and no one would know the difference. Replace Lebron James and suddenly the NBA isn't the NBA anymore.

Instead of paying players their worth, owners want to cap salaries? That's stupid. Cap team spending. If some idiot wants to give their franchise to Rashard Lewis, let them do it. There must be a cost, but to the detriment of owners not the players.

The whole idea that owners need an agreement to protect themselves from their own incompetence is simply laughable.

Hell, if you can find ONE rich guy to take over ONE team (I'll let you guess which one), I'll be happy.

One bad owner giving out a bad contract sets the market for everyone else. If Adonal Foyle is getting a 45 million dollar contract, other ****ty players are going to say "hey, he got that, why don't I get that too?" and in order to field a freakin' roster, you have to sign these guys.

It's not incompetence overall. It's a stupid ****in' guy giving Rudy Gay a max contract, setting up other guys like, I don't know, Kevin Martin for a ridiculous contract also.

I don't claim to have the answers. I don't even claim to have a side, because I don't give a crap. Both sides are terrible. I hope its a ridiculous, two year long fight. They deserve to go down in flames, all of them.

**tehova** · 07-04-2011, 09:17 PM

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Originally posted by TheMatrix31

Hell, if you can find ONE rich guy to take over ONE team (I'll let you guess which one), I'll be happy.

One bad owner giving out a bad contract sets the market for everyone else. If Adonal Foyle is getting a 45 million dollar contract, other ****ty players are going to say "hey, he got that, why don't I get that too?" and in order to field a freakin' roster, you have to sign these guys.

It's not incompetence overall. It's a stupid ****in' guy giving Rudy Gay a max contract, setting up other guys like, I don't know, Kevin Martin for a ridiculous contract also.

I don't claim to have the answers. I don't even claim to have a side, because I don't give a crap. Both sides are terrible. I hope its a ridiculous, two year long fight. They deserve to go down in flames, all of them.

You dont like basketball?

**da ThRONe** · 07-04-2011, 09:37 PM

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Originally posted by elprez98

Whatever. NBA talent can't be replaced, but NBA owners can. You could replace all 30 owners with 30 other rich guys/gals and no one would know the difference. Replace Lebron James and suddenly the NBA isn't the NBA anymore.

Instead of paying players their worth, owners want to cap salaries? That's stupid. Cap team spending. If some idiot wants to give their franchise to Rashard Lewis, let them do it. There must be a cost, but to the detriment of owners not the players.

The whole idea that owners need an agreement to protect themselves from their own incompetence is simply laughable.

But sadly necessary.

**mkharsh33** · 07-04-2011, 09:42 PM

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Consider this from the NHL offseason (thus far):

141 FA signings to date worth $1,023,600,000. The average cap hit per player is $2,207,589. Do you think EVERY one of those contracts was money well spent? No...and that total figure is staggering (make sure you read it correctly). It's not just in the NBA...

**SPTO** · 07-04-2011, 10:10 PM

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Originally posted by mkharsh33

Consider this from the NHL offseason (thus far):

141 FA signings to date worth $1,023,600,000. The average cap hit per player is $2,207,589. Do you think EVERY one of those contracts was money well spent? No...and that total figure is staggering (make sure you read it correctly). It's not just in the NBA...

The crazy thing is that the teams driving up individual salaries now are the low revenue teams scrambling just reach the salary FLOOR. That's why the whole floating cap thing is a BAD idea. In fact, One of those small/middle market GM's Jim Rutherford said during the draft that the bottom revenue teams are going to have to spend money they don't have and thus operate as a microcosm of the way the US Economy is right now and I think most of us will agree that the US economy is in the crapper.

**TheMatrix31** · 07-05-2011, 02:38 AM

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Originally posted by tehova

You dont like basketball?

I love basketball. That's why it needs to be torn down and built up again.

**tehova** · 07-05-2011, 09:34 AM

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Ive heard lots of radio-types describe fans as not caring about how the money is split, what the agreements are...as long as the sport (basketball/football) continues at its normally scheduled time.

But when i get on messageboards, it seems totally opposite everyone really DOES care how much the players make, how much the owners make, how the revenues are split.

Im actually one of those people who really doesnt care, its all entertainment none of their financial models will affect me unless NBA League Pass goes up in price so why should I care. If the owners decide that the players should have to play for free so they can make all profit...cool with me. If the players salaries force every team to operate in the red...so what. As long as when I sit down at 7:00 pm eastern time SOMEBODY (other than the Hawks or Bobcats) are on the television all is well in the Hova household.

We dont get anything other than being entertained, if our favorite team wins the title, we have to pay money for the memorabilia, no bonus paychecks for loyalty, no kickbacks for support. All we get is the action ON the Court. Thats it...

I miss summer league, Dante and Galante, grainy footage from atdhe links.
Just bring back basketball man, its only so many times i can watch Burn Notice and Suits.

/rant completed

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