D-Rose Overhyped ?

[ybtherockstar]

Re: D-Rose Overhyped ?

Derrick Rose deserved the award hands down last year. I can't honestly believe some of the people in this thread.

[mvspree8]

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Dirk Nowitzki in 2007 has something to say to you.

Again, Dirk in 2007 would like a word with you. Amazing how short people's memories are.

Amazing that you're using that straw man argument. Who's defending Dirk?

The media never ever said he had supplanted Williams or Paul for the PG throne. How exactly did they hype him to heaven?

I don't remember anyone in the media NOT calling Rose the best PG in the game. Maybe Jalen Rose? But guys like Magic, Wilbon, and all of those doofuses at ESPN and in Chicago were falling over each other trying to be the first to call him the best PG in the league. Were you paying any attention to the media coverage?

[ybtherockstar]

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Amazing that you're using that straw man argument. Who's defending Dirk?




I don't remember anyone in the media NOT calling Rose the best PG in the game. Maybe Jalen Rose? But guys like Magic, Wilbon, and all of those doofuses at ESPN and in Chicago were falling over each other trying to be the first to call him the best PG in the league. Were you paying any attention to the media coverage?

But didn't Rose play like the best PG in the league though?

[Bumi]

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Amazing that you're using that straw man argument. Who's defending Dirk?




I don't remember anyone in the media NOT calling Rose the best PG in the game. Maybe Jalen Rose? But guys like Magic, Wilbon, and all of those doofuses at ESPN and in Chicago were falling over each other trying to be the first to call him the best PG in the league. Were you paying any attention to the media coverage?

I remember it. It was irritating, really. Had fools like Bucher claiming he was better than LeBron.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Amazing that you're using that straw man argument. Who's defending Dirk?




I don't remember anyone in the media NOT calling Rose the best PG in the game. Maybe Jalen Rose? But guys like Magic, Wilbon, and all of those doofuses at ESPN and in Chicago were falling over each other trying to be the first to call him the best PG in the league. Were you paying any attention to the media coverage?

Were they saying he was having the best season [truth] or that he had actually surpassed Williams/Paul? There's a difference.

I never once heard any of those dudes say he had snatched the torch or anything like that. As idiotic as all of them are, there's a difference between saying Rose was having the best season and that he had taken the throne.

[rangerrick012]

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Amazing that you're using that straw man argument. Who's defending Dirk?

The dude was claiming that Rose had the worst playoff run of any MVP ever. I'm pretty sure losing in the first round like Dirk did in 07 is worse than losing in the conference finals.

Anyways, it's irrelevant. The MVP is and always has been a regular season award. Rose is not the first MVP to come up short in the playoffs and will not be the last, and you'll always have people who Monday Morning QB and try to say they didn't deserve it, when again for emphasis - the MVP is a regular season award and has nothing to do with the playoffs. Despite injuries and a subpar supporting cast, Rose still managed to lead the Bulls to the best record in the regular season. Rose deserved the MVP for the regular season.

[daca]

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The media never ever said he had supplanted Williams or Paul for the PG throne. How exactly did they hype him to heaven?

did you even fallow the media last season? some guys on ESPN where even saying that he would be the most dominating guard since Magic Johnson? they were constantly kissing his *** all year!

[mvspree8]

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There were definitely very visible analysts all over the ABC/ESPN networks calling Rose the best PG in the league. There was someone (maybe Jon Barry) who still said Paul was, but TBH I remember more people going out of their way to say that he was the best PG in the league. And I don't think he was.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Rose had the better regular season therefore he was considered the best that year. They didn't make any other conclusions. They were telling the truth.

[mvspree8]

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Rose had the better regular season therefore he was considered the best that year. They didn't make any other conclusions. They were telling the truth.

Having a better season doesn't make you a better player. If the question was "Which point guard is having the best season?" or "Who is the highest-scoring point guard?" then I understand, but it was a bunch of "Who is the best point guard?" and "Who are the top 5 point guards in the NBA?" questions that were answered with Derrick Rose as #1.

I don't by any stretch of the imagination think Rose is nearly as good as Chris Paul or Deron Williams. Those guys both had what would be considered below-average for them and there's still a very good argument that both are far better overall players. Actually, check that. There is no argument. Rose is a better scorer than both (though noticeably less efficient) but otherwise I don't see a measurable way that he's better than either of them.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Having a better season doesn't make you a better player. If the question was "Which point guard is having the best season?" or "Who is the highest-scoring point guard?" then I understand, but it was a bunch of "Who is the best point guard?" and "Who are the top 5 point guards in the NBA?" questions that were answered with Derrick Rose as #1.

I don't by any stretch of the imagination think Rose is nearly as good as Chris Paul or Deron Williams. Those guys both had what would be considered below-average for them and there's still a very good argument that both are far better overall players. Actually, check that. There is no argument. Rose is a better scorer than both (though noticeably less efficient) but otherwise I don't see a measurable way that he's better than either of them.

You're exactly right, you ask any of those analysts and they would tell you the same thing. They were simply saying he was the best PG of the season. That's not a false thing to say.

I think people are confusing calling him the best PG of the 2011 regular season with the best point guard in the league.

Rose simply put his name closer into the discussion he didn't claim the throne at all.

[Bumi]

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The dude was claiming that Rose had the worst playoff run of any MVP ever. I'm pretty sure losing in the first round like Dirk did in 07 is worse than losing in the conference finals.

What was Dirk's state line during the playoffs that year? I don't fault the man for not having the #1 defensive and rebounding team to cover for his deficiencies.

Anyways, it's irrelevant. The MVP is and always has been a regular season award. Rose is not the first MVP to come up short in the playoffs and will not be the last, and you'll always have people who Monday Morning QB and try to say they didn't deserve it, when again for emphasis - the MVP is a regular season award and has nothing to do with the playoffs. Despite injuries and a subpar supporting cast, Rose still managed to lead the Bulls to the best record in the regular season. Rose deserved the MVP for the regular season.

Please provide me with a playoff stat line posted by an MVP winner, the year he won the MVP, as bad as Rose's.

Also, if Rose has a "subpar" supporting cast, how exactly did the Bulls manage the #1 defensive and rebounding rankings when Rose is mediocre in both aspects? Furthermore, how did the Bulls manage to pull out wins when Rose was chucking shots and being horribly inefficient? The playoffs being a perfect example.

And one last thing. I'm not quite sure how you can declare the playoffs "irrelevant" in this discussion. No, the MVP is not a postseason award. However, the playoffs clearly showed that Rose isn't an MVP caliber player. Which, based on his regular season performance, was obvious.

He's not the best player in the league. Hell, he isn't top 5. He didn't have the most impressive stat line. Again, not top 5. He wasn't the most valuable player to his team. That title would belong to Dirk or Dwight. Whose respective teams would be in the lottery had they been injured, traded, or otherwise. He's not elite offensively, he's mediocre defensively. What he is; is a shoot first PG who brings a great deal of flare to the game, albeit having glaring deficiencies, which are often covered by his grossly underrated supporting cast. Forgive me for not understanding why he "deserved" the MVP award. But then, I must be missing something.

[1Rose]

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Bumi, let it go. We know your upset about him winning it and have been since it was announced.

It's a regular season award. If the playoffs were the "perfect example" of him not being an MVP caliber player then I guess you missed his game winning shots against Indiana or him lighting up Atlanta for 44, 34 and 33 consecutively. The Heat just had too many weapons to throw at him that the Bulls couldn't counter. He was the focal point of every defense on a team where he was the only real offensive threat. Not sure what else you wanted him to do. Drop 40 every night, be more "efficient"? I don't get it. We got to where we were because of him. Period. I'd rather have his stat line and get to the Conference Finals then Dirk's and get bent over in the first round. It's about winning. Efficiency stat lines don't win championships.

Only player in the league and top 10 in points and assists. Lead an injury ridden team to the best record in the league and #1 seed. Numerous game winners and clutch shots. Yea, not an MVP caliber player.

Like I said. Haters gonna hate.

[mvspree8]

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You're exactly right, you ask any of those analysts and they would tell you the same thing. They were simply saying he was the best PG of the season. That's not a false thing to say.

I think people are confusing calling him the best PG of the 2011 regular season with the best point guard in the league.

Rose simply put his name closer into the discussion he didn't claim the throne at all.

I think you're confusing them calling him the best point guard in the league with the best point guard of the 2011 regular season. That question was never asked on air that I can recall.

Especially considering they asked the same analysts during the playoffs and the booyah brigade kept saying that Rose was the best point guard in the league.

Also LOL worthy, Michael Wilbon was adamant that Eric Maynor was the best backup PG in the game after he had like one good game against the Mavericks. And he never backed off that even though there were at least 5 or 6 better backup PGs in the playoffs alone.

[TheMan16]

Re: D-Rose Overhyped ?

The Bulls are a average offensive team. But without Rose they are a terrible offensive team. I think Miami exposed the bulls in the playoffs with their defense. D-Rose is basically the only guy on the team who can create something.
And the MVP award has always been given to the player who leads his team to the best record in their confrence