D-Rose Overhyped ?

[King_B_Mack]

Re: D-Rose Overhyped ?

The Bulls are a average offensive team. But without Rose they are a terrible offensive team. I think Miami exposed the bulls in the playoffs with their defense. D-Rose is basically the only guy on the team who can create something.
And the MVP award has always been given to the player who leads his team to the best record in their confrence

You can't really expose something that's already common knowledge. All that was talked about all year with the Bulls were how they needed help for Rose because of how much he was doing on his own.

I don't know why I keep coming back to this thread cause some of the statements in here are as ridiculous or worse than the first thread on this topic. Plain and simple, I think Michael Jordan pooped in a lot of people's cereal over the years and the Bulls caused a lot of heartaches and now people are basically resenting the Bulls finally coming back to some form of relevence with another bright star. Cause I find it hard as hell to believe we've sat through the Kobe Bryant hype machine, the LeBron James hype machine, the D-Wade hype machine, the Kevin Durant hype machine and even the Dirk circle jerk over the last year and all of a sudden people say a few nice things about Derrick Rose and people are pissing they're panties about "the media kissing his ***" and so on.

[ex carrabba fan]

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I think you're confusing them calling him the best point guard in the league with the best point guard of the 2011 regular season. That question was never asked on air that I can recall.

Especially considering they asked the same analysts during the playoffs and the booyah brigade kept saying that Rose was the best point guard in the league.

Also LOL worthy, Michael Wilbon was adamant that Eric Maynor was the best backup PG in the game after he had like one good game against the Mavericks. And he never backed off that even though there were at least 5 or 6 better backup PGs in the playoffs alone.

I don't understand what you're getting at.

Who had the best regular season as a PG? Rose. Therefore you can't be mad when people are calling him the best PG in the league at that moment in time.

Only way Rose is or was overhyped is if they were saying he had dethroned Williams or Paul, which nobody in the media ever said.

He deserved to be recognized as the MVP and he deserved to be called the best PG in the league-- for the regular season. Completely different story if the media was proclaiming him as the new King of point guards.

[mvspree8]

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To be honest, I don't understand how you are confused here.

So to you, ranking him above Paul and D-Will consistently during the second half of the season isn't him "dethroning" them? Or does someone actually have to use that term? Prominent nationally-televised NBA analysts were calling him the best PG in the NBA over and over again. Never was the caveat "this season but not as the king of point guards" ever attached to the discussion. Saying he's the best over and over IS saying that he's "dethroning" the other guys at the top and that he IS the "king of point guards."

[mvspree8]

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I don't know why I keep coming back to this thread cause some of the statements in here are as ridiculous or worse than the first thread on this topic. Plain and simple, I think Michael Jordan pooped in a lot of people's cereal over the years and the Bulls caused a lot of heartaches and now people are basically resenting the Bulls finally coming back to some form of relevence with another bright star. Cause I find it hard as hell to believe we've sat through the Kobe Bryant hype machine, the LeBron James hype machine, the D-Wade hype machine, the Kevin Durant hype machine and even the Dirk circle jerk over the last year and all of a sudden people say a few nice things about Derrick Rose and people are pissing they're panties about "the media kissing his ***" and so on.

Now that is just about the dumbest thing I've ever read. I loved Michael Jordan. I still do. And I think the 90s Bulls were the greatest dynasty in sports history. Just about every basketball fan that I know between the ages of 20 and 30 agrees.

But really, "the Dirk circle jerk" is the best you can come up with? Sorry that his performances made Rose look bad, but really I don't even remember people mentioning him in the conversation of the top 5 or top 10 players in the league until halfway through the playoffs (when he was routinely murdering everyone that tried to guard him, night in and night out). Also worth noting that Dirk actually accomplished something this postseason.

[rangerrick012]

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What was Dirk's state line during the playoffs that year? I don't fault the man for not having the #1 defensive and rebounding team to cover for his deficiencies.

Please provide me with a playoff stat line posted by an MVP winner, the year he won the MVP, as bad as Rose's.

Well in 06-07, Dirk averaged 19.7 PPG and 11.3 RPG, shot .383 FG and .211 3PT. And his team lost in the 1st round to 8 seed GS.

Rose averaged 27.1 PPG and 7.7 APG, shot .396 FG and .248 3PT and his team lost in the conference finals.

So yeah, Dirk's run was worse as MVP.

[Altimus]

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Good grief, this thread still lives?

[ex carrabba fan]

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To be honest, I don't understand how you are confused here.

So to you, ranking him above Paul and D-Will consistently during the second half of the season isn't him "dethroning" them? Or does someone actually have to use that term? Prominent nationally-televised NBA analysts were calling him the best PG in the NBA over and over again. Never was the caveat "this season but not as the king of point guards" ever attached to the discussion. Saying he's the best over and over IS saying that he's "dethroning" the other guys at the top and that he IS the "king of point guards."

Someone can have a superior season than a superior player of the same position. Simple.

Doesn't mean they've earned the right to be considered the superior player.

Last regular season Rose had a superior season to anyone in his position and pretty much could be argued of any position. He deserved high praise but nobody would dare say he had surpassed Williams or Paul.

[TMagic]

Good grief, this thread still lives?

I mean, its not like u have don't have the power...lol

[jeebs9]

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I'm been following this thread. But couldn't believe the title of the thread.

Derrick Rose deserves the MVP. Best team, Best player that is how the award goes. Bulls were the most consistent force all season long. Dwight had the number but his team didn't win much. That is not an MVP. LeBron was good. But his team didn't have a good record and went through their own inconsistenty through out the season. The only other guy I could think should of been in the MVP talks was Dirk. But his mid season ankle injury messed that chance up.

Yes people have been comparing Rose's number to Russell Westbrook's. But at the end of the day. He shares/shadows the spotlight with Kevin Durant. But I compare Derrick Rose to Allen Iverson a little. In that they both need to have big games for their (defensive) teams to win.

[Bumi]

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Bumi, let it go.

I didn't create the thread. I'm merely discussing the topic.

We know your upset about him winning it and have been since it was announced.

Ad hominem.

It's a regular season award.

Cool. He wasn't the best, nor most valuable regular season player either.

If the playoffs were the "perfect example" of him not being an MVP caliber player then I guess you missed his game winning shots against Indiana or him lighting up Atlanta for 44, 34 and 33 consecutively.

Nope, I witnessed plenty of those 8/27 games. He had plenty. I also witnessed that other players. Namely, Dirk, LeBron, Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, Dwayne Wade, Kevin Durant, and Zach Randolph; play significantly better.

Heat just had too many weapons to throw at him that the Bulls couldn't counter.

Same Heat team was beaten by Dallas, whose supporting cast isn't nearly as talented as Chicago's. I wonder what the difference was?

He was the focal point of every defense on a team where he was the only real offensive threat.

Welcome to being a superstar player. The MVP at that. That excuse doesn't cut it. Especially when he isn't the only player to be pitted against such challenges.

Not sure what else you wanted him to do.

As the MVP? Manage respectable efficiency. That would have been a start.

Drop 40 every night, be more "efficient"?

Nope. I'd rather he score less, more efficiently, and get his teammates involved more often.

I don't get it.

What's not to get? He didn't perform like an MVP caliber player.

We got to where we were because of him. Period.

And also got booted from the playoffs because of him.

I'd rather have his stat line and get to the Conference Finals

The Bulls were fortunate to have played Indiana and Atlanta in the first two rounds. Fairly tame competition.

then Dirk's and get bent over in the first round.

Dirk just won a title. And was mocked before doing so because he was consistently booted prematurely from the playoffs.

It's about winning.

The Bulls didn't do that.

Efficiency stat lines don't win championships.

Neither does inefficiency, obviously. But it's funny you say that, considering Dirk, the most efficient superstar in the playoffs, actually won the title.

Only player in the league and top 10 in points and assists.

Arbitrary and meaningless.

Lead an injury ridden team to the best record in the league and #1 seed.

The Bulls were one of the healthiest teams in the NBA throughout the season.

Numerous game winners and clutch shots.

Ok, Melo.

Yea, not an MVP caliber player.

I'm glad we can agree.

Like I said. Haters gonna hate.

Again, ad hominem.

[Bumi]

Re: D-Rose Overhyped ?

Well in 06-07, Dirk averaged 19.7 PPG and 11.3 RPG, shot .383 FG and .211 3PT. And his team lost in the 1st round to 8 seed GS.

Rose averaged 27.1 PPG and 7.7 APG, shot .396 FG and .248 3PT and his team lost in the conference finals.

So yeah, Dirk's run was worse as MVP.

Okay, they were both bad. Some of the worst. And both deserved to be criticized.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Oh really now



Smh

[Weeks]

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Same Heat team was beaten by Dallas, whose supporting cast isn't nearly as talented as Chicago's. I wonder what the difference was?

And also got booted from the playoffs because of him.

The difference was LeBron James tried against the Bulls, he quit against Dallas in the Finals.

They did not get booted because of D. Rose. They lost because his teammates didn't help him at all. And if you say he should have stepped up, that shows his value to the team. If he's not the entire Bulls offense they can't win.

[jeebs9]

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Exactly... Like I said before. Just like that Allen Iverson team back in 2001. That want was the ending for them. They just didn't get much help from the other players. But always brought a great defense to the table.

[Bumi]

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The difference was LeBron James tried against the Bulls, he quit against Dallas in the Finals.

Where was Wade during the Bulls series? The same place LeBron was during the Chicago series. Yet, Miami had not problem dispatching of the Bulls.

The difference is, Dirk was a lot better than Rose.

They did not get booted because of D. Rose.

Gets the credit for the wins, yet the loses are someone elses fault. Oddly, that logic doesn't apply for stars such as Dirk and LeBron.

They lost because his teammates didn't help him at all.

Really? Then how did the Bulls continue to win even when Rose played terribly? Which was common during the playoffs.

And if you say he should have stepped up, that shows his value to the team. If he's not the entire Bulls offense they can't win.

Yea, superstar MVP's are typically valuable to their respective teams.