NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[yankeesgiants]

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The NBA owners' new proposal to the league's locked-out players includes a clause giving teams the right to send a player down to the NBA Development League at any time during his first five years and pay him a severely-reduced contract while he's there, a source that has examined the proposal told ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher.

That clause, which had previously not been disclosed, is one of several elements in the owners' proposal that prompted one agent to describe the deal as "draconian."

Any player sent down to the D-League would be paid at a pro-rated scale of $75,000 a season, which is slightly above the current D-League maximum but roughly one-sixth of the NBA minimum, the source said.

That's how it's done in hockey. If your on a 2-way contract, your NHL salary might be 550K but your AHL salary is 65K.

[RedSceptile]

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Simple then. Don't suck and you won't be sent down.

I bet this is why Danny Green is really upset.

” Wait I actually have to be good at basketball!? Nooooooooo!!! ”

[TheMatrix31]

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Wow, thats ABOVE the maximum? I guess I thought they were better off than that. That less than what most on my floor make.

EDIT: nice edit Maytch

Thought that word would be censored, lol.

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Who earned their money?

Take away guaranteed contracts and then theyll have earned it

75K guaranteed and a small chance to make more to ride the pine or better guaranteed

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[TN3LL]

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sam_amick Sam Amick
The inefficiency in communication and organization from the players at such a dire time is astounding to me.

sam_amick Sam Amick
I'm consistently hearing about player reps who don't contact/inform teammates, agents are scrambling for info on where things stand. Unreal.

sam_amick Sam Amick
It is the No. 1 reason I have called for a vote before, or at least informal, internal poll that is far more comprehensive and league-wide.

sam_amick Sam Amick
There has to be a better way to bridge the gap between experts in the union & the ones they represent.

is it that hard to contact your teammates

[bigeastbumrush]

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Man im actually not mad at these players stance, im really not....

if they want to lose money to fight what they believe in, by every means, fight for it....its not my money, wtf do I care...they have earned their salary, and have the right to fight for it as far as I am concerned.

You really think the majority of NBA players have actually read through, understand and/or comprehend the proposal by the owners?

It's one thing to know what you're fighting for. Another totally different thing to get a summary by your agent or Hunter/Fisher.

Now I know why Danny Green is going crazy on his Twitter. That NBDL clause probably sent shivers down his spine.

[Taur3asi3]

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Regardless of what happens the next few days, the players union has completely failed in every single aspect. This news coming out is mind boggling.

At this point they should just agree to the deal and focus on blowing up the union so they can rebuild it. Fixing the issues with their own player union is a much more important matter than D-League salaries or whatever the hell else they find so insulting.

[Shakedowncapo]

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So the players agree to the BRI split and yet the owners couldn't throw them a bone on a few system issues? They truly deserve each other. In a negotiation there has to be give on both sides and it seems one side decided it was best not to step up a notch.

Let us begin de-certification.

[TN3LL]

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JonesOnTheNBA Nate Jones
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@sam_amick sam I've been saying that need to get every stateside player in a hotel banquet hall for a while. Only way to do this

MikeWellsNBA Mike Wells
@sam_amick reporting there's a lack of communication between players and reps. Not good at all. That's y they should put it to vote.

[TheMatrix31]

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Hell, even I don't understand some of the complexities of whatever is going on, you think these players are going to understand them?

[CMH]

Hell, even I don't understand some of the complexities of whatever is going on, you think these players are going to understand them?

Excellent point. But, what concerns me is that we have a number of active guys here following the happenings. We aren't in the league and we know what's being discussed.

I get the feeling the players that aren't reps have no idea. And it's clearly bad form to support or argue something you aren't educated to understand.

Then again, that's the way of people. They just argue to argue without finding out exactly the positives and negatives.

It seems to me that a rep says: "It's a bad deal, man. We are getting less money and the owners are mean." And then the player that hears this tells his player buddy who tells the media: "The deal is bad! We ain't signing this."

That's why none of them can elaborate. They don't know why it's bad; They're just spreading the word.


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[TN3LL]

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looks like the player reps are gonna meet monday


KBergCBS Ken Berger
Via @JerryZgoda, @TheNBPA player reps will meet in New York at 9 a.m. Monday to consider league's revised proposal.

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Excellent point. But, what concerns me is that we have a number of active guys here following the happenings. We aren't in the league and we know what's being discussed.

I get the feeling the players that aren't reps have no idea. And it's clearly bad form to support or argue something you aren't educated to understand.

Then again, that's the way of people. They just argue to argue without finding out exactly the positives and negatives.

It seems to me that a rep says: "It's a bad deal, man. We are getting less money and the owners are mean." And then the player that hears this tells his player buddy who tells the media: "The deal is bad! We ain't signing this."

That's why none of them can elaborate. They don't know why it's bad; They're just spreading the word.


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We know some of them don't know what's going on... Anthony Parker says he wants to decert and play the season... He has no idea what he's talking about at all

...and I think they're keeping the other players in the dark on purpose at that.

[TheMatrix31]

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Excellent point. But, what concerns me is that we have a number of active guys here following the happenings. We aren't in the league and we know what's being discussed.

I get the feeling the players that aren't reps have no idea. And it's clearly bad form to support or argue something you aren't educated to understand.

Then again, that's the way of people. They just argue to argue without finding out exactly the positives and negatives.

It seems to me that a rep says: "It's a bad deal, man. We are getting less money and the owners are mean." And then the player that hears this tells his player buddy who tells the media: "The deal is bad! We ain't signing this."

That's why none of them can elaborate. They don't know why it's bad; They're just spreading the word.


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Exactly....it's quite embarrassing.

[Outcast]

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Man im actually not mad at these players stance, im really not....

if they want to lose money to fight what they believe in, by every means, fight for it....its not my money, wtf do I care...they have earned their salary, and have the right to fight for it as far as I am concerned.

when I say I am PRO BALL, I really am PRO BALL...and from a pro ball standpoint, I know both sides could have ended this by now....but greed is in the way. This has been so ridiculous man. lol

Just give me some NBA.

I would call it more of a Hunter/Fisher trying to get a win for the sake of getting a win, the players are starting to lose more than earn