NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[aholbert32]

Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Barganing Agreement Discussion

Players only went down to 53%. Owners went for 47%. Time for regular season game cancellations. both sides won't negotiate until games are missed.

[Vni]

Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Barganing Agreement Discussion

So frustrating.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Thank goodness for the NFL, College Football and College Basketball going on or at least getting ready to start. Makes this one less thing I need to care about, especially when some of them don't care either.

And you know what the crazy/weird part is? People haven't even begun to turn it's backs on the NBA and probably won't until about January and that's moreso because nobody(casuals)care at this point and have no reason to care.

[bigeastbumrush]

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Players turn down an offer to take a 50-50 deal.

The first 2 weeks of the season will be cancelled.

[Shakedowncapo]

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Nothing by Oct. 10 - First two weeks cancelled.

-Stern

Rest of the preseason canceled.
200 million lost on the preseason...

-Stern

[Shakedowncapo]

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Stern said it was not a proposal from the owners of a 50/50...It was just a "lets try this out" and see what our respective groups say. So nothing was set in stone, to be fair to the players. They said no anyway, which seems to have pissed off Stern.

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WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Fisher: "today was not the day to get this done. Not able to get close enough to close the gap."

alanhahn Alan Hahn
FISHER: "Today was not the day to get this done....anticipate reality that rest of preseason will be canceled soon."

Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
I'm told no meetings scheduled rest of week...D Fisher says preseason about to be cancelled& probably start of reg season

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Fisher" Players offered 53 percent of BRI.

ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
Fisher: We offered to reduce our share of BRI to 53 percent. We were informed that's not close enough. We can't go further on economics.

ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
Fisher: Not sure when the next meetings will be held. Not expecting to meet tomorrow or in the near future.

ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
Side note, this is bad

ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
Fisher: Last formal offer from owners was 47 percent.

johnhollinger John Hollinger
If owners really only moved from 46 to 47 on BRI this entire exercise was a colossal waste of time.

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Hunter: "Fifty-three is our number."

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Hunter: "Fifty three is our position. We were never inclined to come out of 50's and they were never inclined to come up..."

ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
Hunter: There are no scheduled meetings. Maybe a month, or two months. It's your guess.

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Hunter: "As of this moment, we've broken off the negotiations..." Now it's up to one side to pick up phone and set up another.

ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
Meeting ended when owners said they would only go from 46 to 47 percent.

ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett look disgusted

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Asked if nearing last resort of decertification, Hunter says, "Clearly that's something we may have to give some thought to."

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Asked if owners' offer was insulting, Hunter said, "It's business."

ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
Garnett is literally staring down every reporter who asks a question.

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Fisher on whether players would accept 50 percent, he says he needs to "ask our players."

ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
Hunter: Our guys have indicated a willingness to lose games.

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Hunter says owners revenue sharing plan would take three years to fully kick in.

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Hunter said owners wanted a 50-50 split with $300 million of expenses deducted, which makes it $

ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
Hunter: Thoughts among some of the owners is that as soon as they miss a check, we'll cave.

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Hunter says he warned the owners to not underestimate the resolve of his players to hang in there without checks.

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Hunter: "the hard cap is off the table..."

ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
I wish there was a camera committed to KG. He's like a toddler at the opera.

KBergCBS Ken Berger
But Fisher added that it is the players who will decide the matter with their vote.

[aholbert32]

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Stern said it was not a proposal from the owners of a 50/50...It was just a "lets try this out" and see what our groups say. So nothing was set in stone, to be fair to the players.

But he also said that he was pretty sure the owners would accept it. The Players didn't even counter with a 51 or 52.

I also find it hilarious that multimillionaires like Garnett are telling players to hold firm on the BRI. I hope he's willing to loan teammates like Delonte West money while the lockout continues.

[Shakedowncapo]

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But he also said that he was pretty sure the owners would accept it. The Players didn't even counter with a 51 or 52.

Was he going to say anything other than that? Seriously. I don't agree with the players in this instance but lets not act like it was set in stone.

I'll give it to Stern, he said forget the questions cap...Ask all your questions. Good move.

[TheMatrix31]

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LOL!. That will never happen. Silver is next in line and will be the new commish in under 5 yrs.

Yeah, I know. But you can't tell me Colangelo wouldn't be a better commish. That's just from my experience with how properly and with class he ran the Suns organization when he owned the team.

As for the discussions today, I can't really understand how anyone could support the players at this point.

[SuperNoVa27]

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Right now, f*** everyone in this situation, I just wan't rookies in the best basketball game ever....

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Players could've played the 52 card and asked for a benefit on their own behalf..but wont move past 53...why?

[aholbert32]

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Was he going to say anything other than that? Seriously. I don't agree with the players in this instance but lets not act like it was set in stone.

I'll give it to Stern, he said forget the questions cap...Ask all your questions. Good move.

You don't throw that out there if you don't have an idea what your side will agree too. I do this every day and my company would be furious if I even hinted at a deal for a certain amount that wasn't approved. If you offer it and your side balks, it affects future negotiations.

[WTF]

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Very good move by Stern. Get this stuff out in the open...

Let the public see the players sweat... the owners threw the idea out for 50/50, which most of the general public will see as a logical split... and then the players wouldn't budge and "had to ask" the others to see if that's even something that they would consider moving towards.

Nicely played Stern.

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Very good move by Stern. Get this stuff out in the open...

Let the public see the players sweat... the owners threw the idea out for 50/50, which most of the general public will see as a logical split... and then the players wouldn't budge and "had to ask" the others to see if that's even something that they would consider moving towards.

Nicely played Stern.

Well Hunter did just say that 53 is their number and thats it

He pretty much solidified Stern's game