NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[TheMatrix31]

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Shut the **** up, Derrick Rose.

As for Iguodala, good for him. I admire his intelligence. One point I disagree with though is his point that while the basketball window is short, he wants to extend the good stature through the rest of his life. The money he makes in the basketball window of his life should be enough to last him and his family four lifetimes.

[The 24th Letter]

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Well, thats why he said he wants to stretch it out....lol

[TheMatrix31]

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He shouldnt have to attempt to stretch it out is what I'm saying. He should be able to live his life at WILL with that kind of money and still be very, very, VERY fine.

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You see in the article they're still having parties and stuff

Can't blame him for that, but like Keon Clark said

"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark

[bkrich83]

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So where is that shrewedness when it comes to signing players?

In the hands of the basketball men in their employ that run their front offices. Not that it's remotely relevant.

One group is a bunch of billionaires that are literally the pillars of industry in many cases, and the other group consists of mostly uneducated athletes who like to make it rain in strip clubs in their spare time. Who do you think is going to win in a battle of financial attrition and business savvy?

[The 24th Letter]

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Yeah, most NBA players are uneducated....smh

[aholbert32]

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Yeah, most NBA players are uneducated....smh

I wouldnt say that but the most influential players in this lockout have a combined 4 years of college (Garnett, Pierce, Bryant, Wade and Lebron). Education isnt everything but I wouldnt feel comfortable negotiating with people who dont have the education or business savvy to negotiate billion dollar deals without their agents.

[yankeesgiants]

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Yeah, most NBA players are uneducated....smh

Undergrad degrees by sport

The NBAPA has declined to give actually numbers this year but the last time they did was late 2009 and the number was 21%

Baseball is 3%. No surprise considering how baseball schollys are handled. Full rides are very rare in baseball. It's 11.7 schollys that are to be divided among 25 players.

The commissioner office and the NFLPA claims the number to be 69% at the start of training camp this year. Seems kind of high but they both agreed on the figure. Mike Golic through it out there on Mike & Mike show back in August. When you factor in 3 years removed from high school and the 40-60-80 rule degree requirements and the sheer amount of undrafted free agents in camp maybe it's not so high.

No numbers for hockey.

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It still remains that the nbapa doesn't have the best representation at such a crucial time

I dont even see how Garnett and the others can come in and have so much influence anyway and didnt attend but one meeting

Thats crazy

[ProfessaPackMan]

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http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/david_aldridge/10/17/morning-tip-labor-update/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1

Interesting tidbit from Lawrence Katz, the lawyer handling the union’s National Labor Relations Board case against the NBA. In discussing possible decertification by the union, Katz said he believes that the NLRB — which would handle any decertification vote by the union if such a vote were authorized by union members — would not approve the vote.
“They would block any decertification petition,” he said….
“The vote on decertification is a vote controlled and run by the NLRB,” he said. “In my opinion, they could not process the petition for a vote because of the pending petition.”

[WTF]

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Weren't both sides meeting today, and then again with the mediator tomorrow? Or is it just tomorrow?

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I thoght they were meeting with a mediator today in Los angeles as well

They cant even decert...most definitely stuck between a rock and a hard place

[2907]

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Weren't both sides meeting today, and then again with the mediator tomorrow? Or is it just tomorrow?

I believe nothing will happen @ the meeting. Its going to be another useless meeting, I'm tired of reading the same things all the time... players are just pure greedy. The Son of Adam only wants more $$$. Thats how human are, Too much money aint enough money. Its sad but true at the same time, We want basketball we really do. . What happened to playing for "The Love Of The Game" yahh right. . They play for the $$ & they will die for it. Greed is hurting , but it is what it is. If they only knew how many others are suffering around the world when these players are making millions & millions of dollers. . Im done reading about the lockout, if the nba happens let it happen. Its going to be another waste of time... mark my words OS fellas. Nothing will be changed. I can promise you that, $$$ talks.

[da ThRONe]

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I don't see the point of having the opt out mid way through, especially if either party can terminate the opt out. How does that provide more security for the player than just having shorter contracts?

10 year contracts? Even with opt outs mid way that's just complete overkill. They need 3 year max's for players going to a new team and 4 year for players resigning. That's more than long enough for players to prove their worth. It's just such a simple concept it boggles my mind that overtly long contracts are even being argued for.

You earn your worth plain and simple.

If the pot needs to be sweetened, give each team one 5 year contract which they can hand out once every 5 years to give to a legit franchise player and give that player a no-trade clause. That would hold the owners more accountable for their big decisions.

It would also encourage the big stars to find their own team and it would help keep contracts for role players on a realistic level.

I feel if your going to ask for radical changes you have to be willing to concede some significant things.

1st no team will be forced to sign any players for any length. Management has to be able to take some responsibility and show some restraint.

As a player I rather sign a 8 year deal with an opt out clause in 4. Rather than just signing a 4 year deal. If a player is slightly under performing it's less likely the team would opt out or ask to restructure said players deal if his pay is reasonable for 4 more years. If his deal is done in 4 and his value is lower than it was when he signed he's more than likely will have to sign for less with the current team or will be worth less on the open market. For the players it gives them a little more security. Players will be more likely to opt out for being slightly underpaid than teams will be to opt out of a contract for a player who is slightly under performing.

[Altimus]

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Weren't both sides meeting today, and then again with the mediator tomorrow? Or is it just tomorrow?

Both sides meet separately today and tomorrow they meet together. If Tuesday fails, it might be like Stern said. No hoops till 2012.