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Just now seeing Stevensons comments...dude is so lame...
He most likely has no idea what he's talking about.....Comment
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Is today's meeting going to be another 12 hour marathon ? Or more of a "cut to the chase" type of meeting ?Comment
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Thats why the Broussard tweets confuse me. The NBA's primary argument is that the disclaimer of interest is a sham and that the union is still basically in place. Now you can justify having Hunter and Kessler because they technically are on the legal team for the lawsuit. How do you justify Fisher?
Fisher isn't a party to the lawsuit, he isn't a lawyer and the union doesn't exist. That leads me to believe that a deal has to be close. If it isn't, then Hunter/Kessler/Boies have to be some of the dumbest lawyers ive ever seen.Comment
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Baron Davis 'optimistic' lockout will end
"I'm optimistic. I'm very optimistic that there will be a season," he told 710 ESPN's John Ireland and Mychal Thompson. "You've just got to keep hoping, and just keep waiting patiently, and I think that both sides will figure it out.
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Lockout Buzz 11.25.11: Black Friday Push
11:00 a.m.
- Ken Berger reports that Kessler will not be in attendance, but will be "involved." That's still a great sign. Kessler's real problem was his interaction with Stern et al. His involvement in an advisory capacity is a good thing for the players, it gives them a strong voice who isn't concilliatory. But Quinn being on the forefront is a much better approach.
- Ric Bucher of ESPN reported last night on SportsCenter that David Stern could give the players yet another ultimatum during today's meeting. Bucher reports that Stern could threaten to cancel the entire season if a deal isn't struck to save the Christmas games.
10:10 a.m.
- Ken Berger of CBSSports.com reports that Derek Fisher will join the talks in New York Friday. Fisher's presence could simply be a legal formality to avoid a "sham" argument from the league if they were just dealing with lawyers, or it could signal a desire to have a player rep in the room if a handshake deal is presented.
- SI.com reports that Jeffrey Kessler will be involved in today's meetings, after reports indicating that Jim Quinn had overtaken Kessler as the lead from the players' side. It's fine that Kessler's in the room. He just shouldn't talk. Or whisper. Or motion. Or draw. Really if he'd just sit there quietly, lost in his own thoughts pondering Buddhist sayings, that would be be best for everyone involved.
- And now for the bad news (I know, I know, it's like "Death Becomes Her," "Now a warning?"). Chris Broussard of ESPN.com reported Saturday night a list of the player's demands for this negotiating session. The players must feel that the threat of their antitrust lawsuit really has pushed the owners into a new state of reasonable discourse or at least shaken them a bit. Either that or they're high. Because's it's nuts.
- How about the big non-starter, an increase in max salaries, from 20 percent to 30 percent, and increased qualifiying offers for restricted free agents? It's like the players are just ignoring that nearly half of this ridiculous situation is due to the summer of 2010 and the power of players like LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony. And raising the QO is a decent enough idea to not trap players into another year with a team, but as it raises salary amounts when the entire structure of the negotiation is geared at keeping costs as low as possible, it's hard to see this being anything the owners will move on.
- Now, some of the other elements the players want are doable. Broussard reports that they want increase on the mini-MLE which the owners have reportedly already softened on. The sign-and-trade for tax teams for the life of the deal is such a small deal affecting so few transactions that quite simply, not even these two collections of geniuses can blow up a deal for it. And the so-called "repeater tax" is a new enough concept to allow for some movement on both sides. If the max and QO elements are built to be face-savers, with the deal coming down to the MLE, sign-and-trade, and repeater tax, it's possible there could be enough room for movement.
- The last element Broussard reported was a higher MLE for non-tax teams than proposed, and a cap at 10 percent on the escrow payments. That's already a concession from the players, who last wanted an 8 percent cap. 10 percent was the reported target of the owners, so that should be doable. You know, like getting a deal back in July should have been doable. The MLE is likely a non-starter as well.
- Something key here? Talks are resuming at the previous point of the 50/50 deal. There's no "reset" to 47 percent for the players. So far Stern's threat hasn't turned into reality. When it does, that's it for talks for the foreseeable future.
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The only thing I can think of is the players are asking for two ridiculous things so that the owners will take the reasonable proponents instead.
Or as the article stated: the players are high.
Sent from my mobile device."It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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This isn't going to happen. I can already tell. Guess I'm going to have to resort to 2K12 for any NBA fix.
EDIT: Here's the thing though, I'd rather they make the right deal and fix the issues hurting the league (mainly protecting the owners from their own dumb ****ing selves so they can stop giving the Ben Gordon's, Al Harrington's, and Rashard Lewis' of the basketball world ridiculous amounts of money) than put a bandaid over all of this just to squeeze out a shortened season in time for Christmas Day games. There's just not much point in that at all and it would be yet another step backwards in a situation where they're basically one step back from falling off the cliff.Last edited by BlueNGold; 11-25-2011, 12:33 PM.Originally posted by bradtxmale
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It will be my Christmas miracle if they reach an agreement, and have a 66 game season.Comment
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Sources: New NBA talks aim to resolve suits
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If Kessler is involved then they're not going to come to a dealComment
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got a feeling deal gets done this weekend, i feel the NBA really don't want to pay the television programs. and kessler is not in the room 'THANk U'"Sometimes i sit and piss myself" - Quote Cmebfresh
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Stern and owners are pathetic.
How many empty threat about a reset are you gonna make?
Sooner or later, they won't be taken seriously. I know I don't take "reset" seriously anymore. Whatta joke.Comment
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