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  • Nukleopatra
    Banned
    • Oct 2009
    • 381

    #4891
    Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

    Originally posted by ggsimmonds
    You bring up his age again, okay sure he is young. Remind me, how old are Westbrook and Durant? Oh but surely it is unfair to compare him to those two and expect him to be at their level right?...
    I'm not certain he's not on Westbrook's level. Russell Westbrook has the advantage of more playing time, and being 'the man,' more than James Harden. Let's see what James can do in Houston.

    And aren't you the one who brings up players 'vanishing' in the playoffs? Well, on behalf of all my Miami Heat brethren, we'd like to thank Russell Westbrook's 3-22 shooting from the three point line in the NBA finals.

    So, thanks, Russ.

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    • Fiasco West
      MVP
      • Oct 2008
      • 2820

      #4892
      Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

      Originally posted by ggsimmonds
      and I would agree and give him something of a pass if the circumstances were different. If he played his usual game and got good looks that just didn't go in that would be one thing. But that is not what happened. He looked as if the moment became too big for him and played like pure crap.

      And your comparison of him to Martin would be great if it was something close to a player for player swap -- it's not. Houston also sent two firsts and a second round draft picks.

      You bring up his age again, okay sure he is young. Remind me, how old are Westbrook and Durant? Oh but surely it is unfair to compare him to those two and expect him to be at their level right? I mean it is not as if anyone is saying he is equal to them or arguing that he is worth just as much as they are...oh wait, Houston is going to give Harden a max contract...
      Two protected firsts.

      The Dallas pick is top 20 protected until 2018.

      The Toronto pick is top 3 protected though and is a bit more confusing, it must be a lottery pick or it rolls over to the next year or something.

      EDIT: Also Houston still has cap flexibility even after giving Harden the Max.
      Last edited by Fiasco West; 10-28-2012, 12:27 AM.

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      • phenom1990
        MVP
        • Mar 2008
        • 4789

        #4893
        Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

        Originally posted by 23
        The problem is you're basing all of this on suppositions and an amount of money too small to matter

        Again after his finals disappearance why is he demanding the Max


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        Because he was able to get a team to offer him the max lol. Whether he is worth the max and whether he can get the max are two different things. If an NBA GM thinks he is worth the max then that's all that matters because Oklahoma City has to adjust to it.
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        • Tomba
          TOMBA IS ONLINE
          • Sep 2006
          • 8908

          #4894
          Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

          Two things are for certain in the OKC and Rockets trade...

          Currently the SG situation is better for the Rockets currently.

          Second Rockets now have guys all in like a 23/24 yrs old range where if they wanted they could become another Atlanta Hawks but not make much noise unless they now pick up a sorely needed GOOD center.

          Go for Bynum next season if you can Houston and you will DEF be able to contend with the likes of the Heat...

          UNLESS Lebron is on career tear like some NBA analysts are saying.

          OKC? You guys are now lacking at the sg position.

          Martin? Um no...Sefoloha? your aging and Lamb?If you are to become good you'll need 25 plus minutes per game this season and I just dont think OKC is going to allow that

          My two dollars...
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          • DukeC
            Banned
            • Jul 2011
            • 5751

            #4895
            Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

            Originally posted by Rawdeal28
            24.7 ppg 10.7 rpg on 46% shooting.

            yeah those are terrible playoff numbers.
            Get Karl Malone's 1993-94 game by game stats along with wins and losses stats on Basketball-Reference.com


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            Again. Like I said. He was terrible (Other than in 96 against Seattle). Or should I say non-existant?

            He was a volume scorer. When he scored, he scored in bunches. Otherwise he would take a lot of shots....and you would pray he'd manage to get himself back up to 50% shooting.
            Last edited by DukeC; 10-28-2012, 12:40 AM.

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            • ggsimmonds
              Hall Of Fame
              • Jan 2009
              • 11235

              #4896
              Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

              Originally posted by Nukleopatra
              I'm not certain he's not on Westbrook's level. Russell Westbrook has the advantage of more playing time, and being 'the man,' more than James Harden. Let's see what James can do in Houston.

              And aren't you the one who brings up players 'vanishing' in the playoffs? Well, on behalf of all my Miami Heat brethren, we'd like to thank Russell Westbrook's 3-22 shooting from the three point line in the NBA finals.

              So, thanks, Russ.
              For the first part, well we just have a difference of opinion and no amount of arguing would solve that. So I guess we just watch with interest as the season unfolds.

              For the second part, well I don't know that I keep bringing that up.My comment was in response to someone saying it was only 5 games. you emphasized the word vanishing and I have yet to use that word so perhaps you are confusing me with another poster. Having said that, your argument is very weak. for starters you being up one statistic -- Westbrook's 3 pt numbers. Okay sure they were bad, but I also seem to remember a game where he single-handedly kept the Thunder in the game. I would not say he 'vanished.' Secondly, you mention one statistic but with Harden it wasn't one area he was bad at -- he played poorly in every way. So again, bringing up Russell's 3 pt numbers and making the argument that he played just as badly in the finals as Westbrook is a bit stupid. But fine, Russell Westbrook -- a guy who is not known for his 3 point shot -- shot the three poorly in the Finals.

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              • Nukleopatra
                Banned
                • Oct 2009
                • 381

                #4897
                Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                Originally posted by ggsimmonds
                Westbrook's 3 pt numbers. Okay sure they were bad,.
                As was Kevin Durant's non-existent defense on Lebron James.

                But yes, let's wait it out.

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                • mkharsh33
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 12782

                  #4898
                  Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                  Having read this thread all the way through, there's something KEY to Harden's contract I haven't seen mentioned here: an added FIFTH year...

                  Wojnarowski adds that the Rockets, unlike the Thunder, are able to give Harden a five-year maximum extension. Under the Collective Bargaining Agreement, each team is allowed to designate one player to receive a five-year max extension, and the Thunder have already given one to Russell Westbrook.

                  Durant's deal was grandfathered into the new CBA. The only players to sign the new FIFTH year deal under the new terms of the CBA are Blake Griffin, Derrick Rose and Russell Westbrook. Houston IS going to give Harden the extra year, becoming only the 4th NBA player to receive such a deal.
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                  • ggsimmonds
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 11235

                    #4899
                    Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                    Originally posted by Nukleopatra
                    As was Kevin Durant's non-existent defense on Lebron James.

                    But yes, let's wait it out.
                    Yes durant needs work. He needs to be more physical, even on offense he allows defenders to push him off his spot too easily. But that is a problem that is also present during the regular season, it was not unique to the finals. It is not the same as Harden's performance.

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                    • Nukleopatra
                      Banned
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 381

                      #4900
                      Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                      Originally posted by ggsimmonds
                      It is not the same as Harden's performance.
                      Not to worry, you guys got Kevin Martin to handle the dirty work now.

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                      • Weeks
                        L Corleone
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 2990

                        #4901
                        Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                        Originally posted by Tomba
                        Two things are for certain in the OKC and Rockets trade...

                        Currently the SG situation is better for the Rockets currently.

                        Second Rockets now have guys all in like a 23/24 yrs old range where if they wanted they could become another Atlanta Hawks but not make much noise unless they now pick up a sorely needed GOOD center.

                        Go for Bynum next season if you can Houston and you will DEF be able to contend with the likes of the Heat...

                        UNLESS Lebron is on career tear like some NBA analysts are saying.

                        OKC? You guys are now lacking at the sg position.

                        Martin? Um no...Sefoloha? your aging and Lamb?If you are to become good you'll need 25 plus minutes per game this season and I just dont think OKC is going to allow that

                        My two dollars...
                        Martin has been a 20PPG scorer 5 of the last 6 years he's been in the league, and last year it was because he shot a worse FG% as the #1 scorer. Alongside Durant and Westbrook he will much higher quality shots.

                        Thabo is 28, and only on the court for defense, which hasn't shown any signs of falling off.

                        Under OKC's great prospect development, Lamb should develop quickly...and this year not much will be expected of him as he will most likely be the third SG
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                        • ggsimmonds
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 11235

                          #4902
                          Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                          Originally posted by Nukleopatra
                          Not to worry, you guys got Kevin Martin to handle the dirty work now.


                          Do you know what they say about assuming? If not you should really google that. You're trying to come off as clever and witty and it is not working. I am not a fan of the Thunder.

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                          • 23
                            yellow
                            • Sep 2002
                            • 66469

                            #4903
                            Originally posted by DukeC
                            There have been plenty of max players(All Stars and All NBA'ers) who aren't clutch.

                            Karl Malone is a prime example. Dude was terrible in the playoffs.
                            Karl Malone is a hall of famer and probably one of the best PFs to ever play

                            That's a bad example

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                            • Nukleopatra
                              Banned
                              • Oct 2009
                              • 381

                              #4904
                              Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                              Originally posted by ggsimmonds
                              Do you know what they say about assuming?.


                              No. What do they say?

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                              • ggsimmonds
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Jan 2009
                                • 11235

                                #4905
                                Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                                Originally posted by Nukleopatra

                                No. What do they say?
                                It's still not working. I'm done with you

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