2014 Off-Season Thread

[NYJets]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

I understand your frustration but have you not been watching the league lately? Steve Kerr and Derek Fisher had no coaching experience. Its not luck at all. Kidd just not happy that hes one of the greatest PGs of all time and derek fisher is sitting across the river in MSG making twice as much as he is.

Well it sounds like the Nets were willing to give him more money, but he wants to be the president too. Fisher and Kerr don't have that.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Those future picks to Boston keep looking better and better with each passing month. Nets looking to cut payroll 2015-16, coaching turmoil, aging roster. Don't let me down, Brooklyn. Continue to do you.

Looking that much forward to those late 1st rd picks huh man

[RedSceptile]

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Looking that much forward to those late 1st rd picks huh man

Yeah... those picks in the 18s+ don't exactly have a great track record. People too focused on "OMG first round pick! " lol

[Vni]

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If everything else fails the Lakers will go after Chandler Parsons.

I'd like that.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Isn't part of what makes Karl so great at coaching is that he adapts he system to fit the players he have. I believe that was some of the praise he was getting while at Denver.

Sent from Plant City, Florida

That is true but he also had a lot of younger talent there in place to run it while we don't. I'm not saying I'd be opposed to bringing him in, but it'd a tough fit.

When Kidd was here, part of the reason for our turnaround in January was because he went the "small ball" lineup with having Pierce at the 4, Joe at the 3 and Shaun at SG. Not sure if Karl would do that or go back to keep players at their "traditional" spots.

[slowdifference]

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I'm convinced the Nets are a snakebitten franchise and will never do anything of significance in my life time.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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The funniest part about this whole Kidd thing is that people are so hell bent on painting this in a negative light that suddenly Larry Drew has become a good coach and John Hammond has become an heroic GM when they were both likely to be fired regardless of whether or not Kidd is hired.

[areobee401]

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Looking that much forward to those late 1st rd picks huh man

Depends on what Brooklyn looks like come 2016 and 17. Brooklyn is headed nowhere but down the way I see it. Worst case those picks are mid-teens to early twenties. Not the greatest, sure. Can still be used to pair with Boston's existing picks or draft a player if they chose. Better to have two first rounders than none at all. Opens up more options to get things done.

Yeah... those picks in the 18s+ don't exactly have a great track record. People too focused on "OMG first round pick! " lol

Rajon Rondo went 21st. Folks seem to love him on these here boards.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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The funniest part about this whole Kidd thing is that people are so hell bent on painting this in a negative light that suddenly Larry Drew has become a good coach and John Hammond has become an heroic GM when they were both likely to be fired regardless of whether or not Kidd is hired.

I think it has moreso to do with how two faced/sneaky Kidd is and less to do with how good Drew/Hammond are.

Depends on what Brooklyn looks like come 2016 and 17. Brooklyn is headed nowhere but down the way I see it. Worst case those picks are mid-teens to early twenties. Not the greatest, sure. Can still be used to pair with Boston's existing picks or draft a player if they chose. Better to have two first rounders than none at all. Opens up more options to get things done.

True but let's also remember that those picks are still 2-4 years out(2016 and 2018 Drafts) that are most likely to be in the 20s, which is basically role player city in the Draft. Getting guys like Rondo(who benefited the most from the KG/Allen/Pierce teams as far as player development goes)that late are the exception, not the rule.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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I think it has moreso to do with how two faced/sneaky Kidd is and less to do with how good Drew/Hammond are.

Oh yeah, Kidd is definitely looking like a jackass, but that doesn't mean that Drew/Hammond are suddenly good.

First, the Bucks are full-up, their front office and coaching jobs staffed by highly competent individuals. GM John Hammond is fresh off his most rewarding Draft night ever, on the heels of a stellar 2013 move in drafting below-the-radar phenom Giannis Antetokounmpo and second-round point guard Nate Wolters. And lest Lasry or anyone else think that the Bucks merely did the no-brain thing Thursday – grabbing the best available player once Andrew Wiggins went to Cleveland – he’d be overlooking the rapport Parker already seems to have with Hammond, coach Larry Drew and their staffs, seeded in pre-draft workouts and conversations and growing toward a bond.

As for Drew, he’s a proven head coach – more proven than Kidd – after three playoff appearances in Atlanta (with smaller payrolls and less talent than Kidd’s Nets) and his grace under fire during last season’s 15-67 tanking mission.

It's just a joke. Jabari isn't even the guy that Hammond wanted, and while I do think he's been a solid drafter, there's really nothing about him that says "highly competent".

Meanwhile, Larry Drew had no idea what to do with this team last year. He tried to bury Giannis in the corner and not allow him to do anything on the court while trying to get Brandon Knight to take as many contested 3 pointers as he could muster.

Both of these guys were likely to be fired regardless of what happens with Jason Kidd, but suddenly because Kidd is an ***, these two guys are "highly competent".

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2014/06/29/bucks-risk-vibe-goodwill-reset-with-kidd/

[ProfessaPackMan]

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That's the "Innocent Bystander Effect" right there.

[iLLosophy]

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Well it sounds like the Nets were willing to give him more money, but he wants to be the president too. Fisher and Kerr don't have that.

I dont know whats going on in his head, but if I were to guess: Jason Kidd as a player is much greater than Derek Fisher. So Jason Kidd's compensation & control should be much greater than Derek Fisher. It may not be good enough to just match with cash.

But at the same, he is asking what Phil, Doc, Pop and Riley have...but those guys all have rings as coaches. Not really sure how he can rationalize that.

[23]

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Kidd didn't do it sneaky from what I've read this situation has been brewing for weeks now and finally came to a head. We're the 9th who just got wind of it when it blew up.

[areobee401]

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Wish the media would give the guy from RealGM his due. He broke this long before anyone was touching this. lol

True but let's also remember that those picks are still 2-4 years out(2016 and 2018 Drafts) that are most likely to be in the 20s, which is basically role player city in the Draft. Getting guys like Rondo(who benefited the most from the KG/Allen/Pierce teams as far as player development goes)that late are the exception, not the rule.

Oh, no doubt. Still like knowing those picks are there regardless of where they may fall. Boston most likely will be picking slightly better with their own pick, which could be paired with the Brooklyn pick to move up a few spots to get their guy. Or take two players if that's the route they decide. But like you said, these picks are years down the road. Anything can happen between now and then. I feel they will be better than in the 20's. Either way I like having that extra 1st as a future asset no matter where it might fall.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Apparently Nikola Mirotic is coming to Chicago this year

http://www.csnchicago.com/bulls/report-nikola-mirotic-could-be-headed-nba-bulls

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