2014 Off-Season Thread

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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NBA source indicates mutual interest between #Cavs and Lionel Hollins, but no interview scheduled. Bulls asst Adrian Griffin also mentioned

[SteelersFreak]

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Are the Grizzlies TRYING to fade back into irrelevancy?

[turty11]

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so love wants out before the summer starts...

i cant tell you how excited i am over just the possibility of him going to boston...which IMO would be the best case scenario for minny, because boston has far and away the most to offer

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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so love wants out before the summer starts...

i cant tell you how excited i am over just the possibility of him going to boston...which IMO would be the best case scenario for minny, because boston has far and away the most to offer

I think Boston has a lot to offer as well. If Golden State is willing to offer Barnes, Thompson, and whatever future 1st round picks they can offer, I'd probably take that over a package of what I'd assume is Boston's top 6 pick, Sullinger, and a future 1st (or maybe Olynyk?).

Was Boston on Love's list of teams he would sign an extension with? I only remember LA, New York, Chicago, and Golden State being mentioned.

Chicago could offer an attractive package as well with Jimmy Butler, Gibson (to make salaries work probably), Mirotic, and future 1st round picks.

If he would resign with them, I REALLY think Phoenix should be jumping in on this. They have 3 first round picks this year or something ridiculous like that, plus future picks, Len, Goodwin, etc. They could offer a really attractive package if they want to, and a team built around Bledsoe, Dragic, and Love would be devastating. If Love is really serious about winning, I think Phoenix, Golden State, or Chicago are his best bets.

[KingTocco]

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I agree. Anytime you have the chance to acquire a top 10 player in the league, you go for it.

If I were an NBA player, I would play in Phoenix. It's beautiful there and they really support their team well.

[turty11]

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on the local espn show they just finished discussing it.


their thoughts were, go to the east if he wants to win, or go to the west if he just wants to have a comfortable life.

they said boston and chicago should be his teams to choose from (IMO i dont get why gsw would trade for love, because their starting 5 is fine aside from bogut injuries. they need bench not to get rid of barnes and/or thompson)

as far as phoenix goes i think they really want a SF, they said they want to go get a star but they are so loaded at the PF/C spot already


--as a c's fan i really dont want to give up sully , because i think he is a future all-star, but if it brings us love im all for it (id offer up our top pick, and up to 2 other 1'sts honestly, and throw in w/e contracts are needed to match)

[KingTocco]

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on the local espn show they just finished discussing it.


their thoughts were, go to the east if he wants to win, or go to the west if he just wants to have a comfortable life.

they said boston and chicago should be his teams to choose from (IMO i dont get why gsw would trade for love, because their starting 5 is fine aside from bogut injuries. they need bench not to get rid of barnes and/or thompson)

as far as phoenix goes i think they really want a SF, they said they want to go get a star but they are so loaded at the PF/C spot already


--as a c's fan i really dont want to give up sully , because i think he is a future all-star, but if it brings us love im all for it (id offer up our top pick, and up to 2 other 1'sts honestly, and throw in w/e contracts are needed to match)

I don't think the Warriors starting 5 is fine as it is now, they are not winning a championship with that lineup. You mentioned the Bogut injuries but that is something they really need to address, he is always hurt year after year. I'm not a huge David Lee fan and Iggy is declining and overrated IMO.

Phoenix is loaded at PF/C? Since when? I don't trust anyone they have in the Playoffs.

[turty11]

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im not talking trust wise, im talking just amount of players they have/had what atleast 6 or 7 pf/c's

as far as gsw winning a title, if they trade thompson /barnes they arent touching the west finals. they dont/wont have the money to get another bigtime guy, and that would leave the bench with the best players as draymond green and the empty chair

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

on the local espn show they just finished discussing it.


their thoughts were, go to the east if he wants to win, or go to the west if he just wants to have a comfortable life.

they said boston and chicago should be his teams to choose from (IMO i dont get why gsw would trade for love, because their starting 5 is fine aside from bogut injuries. they need bench not to get rid of barnes and/or thompson)

On paper, Golden State's starting 5 is fine enough, but Bogut is injury-prone, Lee is getting older and it's common knowledge they'd like to get rid of him if they could, and at the end of the day, a team built around a combo of Curry and Love is just filthy.

as far as phoenix goes i think they really want a SF, they said they want to go get a star but they are so loaded at the PF/C spot already

Phoenix would likely be trading some of those bigs in order to acquire Love, at the end of the day, Love >>>> The Morris twins, especially if Phoenix is serious about competing right now.

--as a c's fan i really dont want to give up sully , because i think he is a future all-star, but if it brings us love im all for it (id offer up our top pick, and up to 2 other 1'sts honestly, and throw in w/e contracts are needed to match)

Another reason I think Golden State, Phoenix, or Chicago might end up being more likely destinations if it's a trade is because Sullinger isn't really a good fit next to Pekovic IMO. It could work if Sullinger were sent to another team in a 3 team deal and Minnesota got an asset from that 3rd team instead, but if it's just a 2 team trade, I think the other three teams I mentioned might be more realistic.

[turty11]

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i saw some stuff on other sites about it being green/bass/sully combination for love and budinger/mute coming back....im actually wondering if minny would be interested in a package of jeff green and avery bradley with potentially bass/olynyk

[MattUM]

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Instead of Sully, could you trade Jeff Green instead? Would still give multiple 1sts. You could bring PP back to play the 3.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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To clear up the confusion on the Nets and their Draft Picks so there's no more inaccurate information regarding this subject anymore:

The Nets have first round picks in 2015, 2017, 2019 and 2020, the furthest year a pick can be traded, and have none from other teams. The picks in 2015 and 2017 can be swapped --to the Hawks in 2015 and the Celtics in 2017. BUT the Nets will have a pick in those two years, either their own or the other teams'.
They traded their first round picks --unprotected-- in 2014, 2016 and 2018 to the Celtics. Unless they can acquire a first round pick in the years they traded to the Celtics, they won't be able to trade their first round picks in 2015 and 2017 under the NBA's Stepien Rule. That rule prohibits teams from trading first round picks in successive years. Their 2015 and 2017 picks must be swapped ONLY if they're higher than the Hawks (2015) and Celtics (2017) picks.
So if the Nets finish with a higher pick (after the lottery) in 2015, their pick goes to Boston and the Celtics' pick goes to the Nets. If the Celtics, who are likely to still be in rebuilding mode, have a higher pick, the Nets first round pick stays in Brooklyn. So, in either case, the Nets will have a first round pick. The same is true in 2017, with the Hawks pick. Nets get a higher pick, they give it up to Atlanta and use the Hawks' pick. If not, the pick is their own.
They have four second round picks in the seven drafts between 2014 through 2020 but one is heavily protected and is likely to wind up with Clippers.. They could pick one up from the Celtics in 2017, but there are protections favorable to Boston on that one. Here are the details on the second round picks:
--On Draft Night in 2011, the Nets sent their second round pick in 2014 and their 2010 first round pick (Jujaun Johnson) to Boston for MarShon Brooks.
--In the 2011 Mehmet Okur trade, the Nets sent their second round pick in 2015 to Utah for Okur.
--In 2012, the Nets agreed to swap second round picks in 2016 with the Clippers in return for Reggie Evans. The Clippers have the option to swap picks with the Nets if the Clippers pick is #31-55. The Nets can still trade the pick if the other team is willing to assume the risk.
--In the 2012 Joe Johnson trade, the Nets sent their second round in 2017 pick to Atlanta. It wasn't included in the original deal but the league required it because of a CBA technicality.
--In 2018, the Nets have their own second round pick.
--In 2019, the Nets have their own second round pick.
They have also acquired the rights to another pick, but both it's of limited value, a so-called "paper pick." If Boston exercises its right to swap its 2017 first round pick for Brooklyn's 2017 first round pick, then Boston will convey its 2017 second round pick to Brooklyn protected for selections #31 through #45. If Boston's pick falls with that range, the first half of the second round, the Celtics will keep it and the Nets get nothing.

So as of now, we have no 1st rd pick this year but that could easily change depending on the moves King does this offseason.

[turty11]

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Instead of Sully, could you trade Jeff Green instead? Would still give multiple 1sts. You could bring PP back to play the 3.

every "rumor" i saw had both sully and green going to minny. dont like it but i would do it for arguably the best PF in the NBA.

as far as PP goes itd be nice, but from everything ive heard/read hes likely starting in bkn or going to play with doc again (IF we do trade green for love, wed likely be getting back budinger/moute to play SF, or if not wed be starting gerald wallace or a rookie...which is where my thinking of us going after tj warren or kj mcdaniels with the #17 pick comes into play)

[areobee401]

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Regarding possibility of Love to Boston.

No way Minnesota takes on that scrub Jeff Green. Likely Bradley and Sullinge with their cheap contracts. Boston obviously has the most to offer in terms of picks. If he does get traded here that means Rondo stays. Not sure how I feel about that. Kinda over the guy. Overrated in my opinion.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Not sure if it's been mentioned here, but Bill Simmons is saying that if Joerger and Hollinger are indeed canned, that Memphis is planning to make a run for Thibs by giving him a Stan Van Gundy/Pistons kinda deal, and that would give Chicago another 1st round pick to potentially offer for Kevin Love. That would be an interesting wrinkle to the Love Affair.