2014 Off-Season Thread

[King_B_Mack]

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Isn't Tucker a RFA?

[ojandpizza]

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Unrestricted according to NBA.com last I looked, but other sites are saying they are extending qualifying offer.

Doesn't necessarily have to be him, he's just the ideal fit. I highly doubt he wants to leave Phoenix.


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[King_B_Mack]

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Thought I saw restricted on NBA.com

On another note. Am I the only one that thinks the NBA should look into taking the NFL approach and moving the draft to after free agency? It really doesn't make sense to have the draft come and go then to through FA.

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Lol even though it's late and already been posted... you stamped it with Broussard name. You know this ain't real

[23]

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Shelburne and Broussard.

legit they are not.

This has been posted already too.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Well, we really have to wait and see what happens with the big 3, before we know how much money they could offer those guys. Although, they most likely won't have enough money to sign them anyway. I don't think Hill is gonna get any big offers though. Crawford's not a free agent so he'd have to be traded. I think Stuckey would be a solid move for them, but that's just me.
Other than that, I don't know how many good moves are out there. Maybe they should look forward to future free agents. It's not like they immediately need to become significantly better to remain contenders for the next few years.


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Lol, you already said it, the Heat won't have much to offer man. Unless LeBron also takes a large paycut they aren't going to have much to throw at free agents. Hill might not get big offers but some team will offer him more than Miami guaranteed.

I don't think any are really lateral. You replace Battier, Jones, Oden with 3 guys that can even trust with finals minutes and it's an instant upgrade. If those 3 turn into Carter, Gasol, Tucker (just an example) that's quite a bit better.

I'm assuming Chalmers, Ray, Haslem, possibly Beas, Lewis, or Bird will be back. Paired with Cole, Napier and the Big 3, you already have an 8-10 man roster.. Just adding Gasol or whoever to replace Battier is a big upgrade.


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Come on man, Gasol aint comin. If he does obviously that's an upgrade but at this point I've ruled him out. Tucker and Carter would be good I guess.. how realistic those are I'm not too sure.

[ojandpizza]

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Come on man, Gasol aint comin. If he does obviously that's an upgrade but at this point I've ruled him out. Tucker and Carter would be good I guess.. how realistic those are I'm not too sure.

I'm not trying to say he is. I don't even know if he's even still considering Miami at this point. I'm just saying that there are still plenty of options out there to at least somewhat improve upon what they are losing from Battier retiring and not resigning the guys at the very end of their bench.

It's not like it was a swing and miss that they had to land Lowry, Gortat, or Deng. (Who's still possible).


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[ojandpizza]

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Thought I saw restricted on NBA.

Yeah I think they ended up extending their qualifying offer and it changed or something. Because I literally just looked like 2 days ago when Pack had said something about it. I posted in here when I saw it.


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[vtcha]

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2) Once again, it doesn't work like that. They can't decide after recruiting guys depending on how much capspace is left because of cap holds. This is why guys/teams are waiting to see what the LeBron's of the world do first. You can't just go out and sign other team's free agents and then go over the cap to sign your guys

What I meant is the Big 3 will sign their contracts based on the amount left in the salary cap after Riley has made that first signing.

So right now they have about $55 million in cap space remaining. Say they sign someone for $7 million. That would leave them with $48 million left. Now they project the cost of re-signing guys that fit well with the team or for locker room presence (i.e., Ray Allen, Rashard Lewis, UD, James Jones, Chris Andersen, etc.) Let's say the cost of that is projected to be around $10 million. This would then leave the Big 3 with a total of $38 million to split between. Moreover, Miami will also have an additional $3 million to use on the MLE so perhaps they can use this to bring in a second FA (ala Marion, VC, Okafor, or Jameer Nelson- depending on who they signed as the first FA.

In essence, I think Riley is doing the opposite of what he did in 2010 and filling the role players first instead. I also think the Big 3 are in on this and they are basically giving Riley the cap flexibility to work his magic. So if Riley somehow overspends on that free agent signing, then they may have to cut someone from the $10 million pool or perhaps the Big 3 will sacrifice an even bigger pay-cut.

Again there is a lot of the unknown involved- Will Riley be able to convince the Heat veterans to re-sign at the minimum and further reduce that $10 million? Will the Big 3 even agree to take those pay-cuts?

There has been a tonne of rumors surrounding the Heat so far with no concrete evidence. The scenario I just mentioned is purely based on my speculations from what I've seen so far. As Diesel mentioned, it's very mind-boggling that Wade would leave $40 million on the table unless there was a thought-out plan. Heck even Haslem left $4.6 million by opting out. Furthermore, I don't buy into those rumors about Bosh and James seeking max contracts. If this is true, why would Riley even bother meeting with guys like Gasol and Deng when he knows the team can't afford them if Bosh & LeBron resign for the max. Wouldn't Riley ensure that Bosh and LeBron are both on the same page first before trying to recruit externally?

[King_B_Mack]

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What I meant is the Big 3 will sign their contracts based on the amount left in the salary cap after Riley has made that first signing.

So right now they have about $55 million in cap space remaining. Say they sign someone for $7 million. That would leave them with $48 million left. Now they project the cost of re-signing guys that fit well with the team or for locker room presence (i.e., Ray Allen, Rashard Lewis, UD, James Jones, Chris Andersen, etc.) Let's say the cost of that is projected to be around $10 million. This would then leave the Big 3 with a total of $38 million to split between. Moreover, Miami will also have an additional $3 million to use on the MLE so perhaps they can use this to bring in a second FA (ala Marion, VC, Okafor, or Jameer Nelson- depending on who they signed as the first FA.

In essence, I think Riley is doing the opposite of what he did in 2010 and filling the role players first instead. I also think the Big 3 are in on this and they are basically giving Riley the cap flexibility to work his magic. So if Riley somehow overspends on that free agent signing, then they may have to cut someone from the $10 million pool or perhaps the Big 3 will sacrifice an even bigger pay-cut.

Again there is a lot of the unknown involved- Will Riley be able to convince the Heat veterans to re-sign at the minimum and further reduce that $10 million? Will the Big 3 even agree to take those pay-cuts?

There has been a tonne of rumors surrounding the Heat so far with no concrete evidence. The scenario I just mentioned is purely based on my speculations from what I've seen so far. As Diesel mentioned, it's very mind-boggling that Wade would leave $40 million on the table unless there was a thought-out plan. Heck even Haslem left $4.6 million by opting out. Furthermore, I don't buy into those rumors about Bosh and James seeking max contracts. If this is true, why would Riley even bother meeting with guys like Gasol and Deng when he knows the team can't afford them if Bosh & LeBron resign for the max. Wouldn't Riley ensure that Bosh and LeBron are both on the same page first before trying to recruit externally?

But that's the thing man, that "first signing" isn't really happening because the free agents are looking at what LeBron is doing. Riley is going into meetings without a figure to give them on what Bosh and Wade are taking. Which is why we have reports like these

David Aldridge @daldridgetnt · 16h
Pat Riley pitched today how Miami was a good fit for Luol Deng. But Deng can't commit unless/until he knows how much money Wade/Bosh will take. Sides will talk again next week.

From a Woj Article

There had been suggestions the renegotiated contracts of James, Bosh and Dwyane Wade could leave the space for a $9 million-$10 million annual salary slot, but the figure that Miami has floated to prospective players is a first-year salary in the range of $5.5 million and hazy suggestions about sign-and-trades that would ultimately be difficult to execute, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

"A lot of hocus pocus," one high-profile agent told Yahoo Sports.

Barring Bosh and Wade caving on dramatic pay decreases, Miami's best offers still promise to be significantly below the market values of such free agents as Trevor Ariza, Luol Deng and Pau Gasol.

Riley and Spoelstra met with Deng on Saturday afternoon in Chicago, and pitched him on a free-agent deal with the Heat, sources said. Riley sold Deng on the Heat's ability to cultivate a player's personal brand through the winning of championships and how so many players stay connected to the organization for a lifetime, sources said. Spoelstra laid out a plan to use Deng's versatility to complement the Heat's Big Three, explaining how he'd use Deng in multiple offensive scenarios to make him the most efficient of his career.

That's what they're selling to Luol Deng? There's better than that out there.

[TheShizNo1]

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Why do y'all have so much confidence in Riley?

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[vtcha]

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But that's the thing man, that "first signing" isn't really happening because the free agents are looking at what LeBron is doing. Riley is going into meetings without a figure to give them on what Bosh and Wade are taking. Which is why we have reports like these

Yeah Riley sure has his hands full and it is a very complex situation. Personally I think Wade and Bosh don't really want to sacrifice a large amount of money but if it's the only way that can attract others then I'd say they'll do it. At the moment, it seems that Riley is testing the waters and seeing who will bite.

[DIESEL]

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Why do y'all have so much confidence in Riley?

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Just a feeling.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Why do y'all have so much confidence in Riley?

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Dude's been one of the better Execs in the league and has shown that he can build championship teams even before Bron and Bosh got there. I'd say he's certainly done enough to at least earn the benefit of the doubt and I doubt he's gone into this offseason without some sort of plan like the Media wants to suggest.

[mvb34]

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Why do y'all have so much confidence in Riley?

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I wonder this question as well... Showtime Lakers were already built before he to over. Played rough ball in NYC. The Heat 1.0 only made conference finals once. I don't give him to much credit for the Wade era