2014 Off-Season Thread

[King_B_Mack]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

Yeah but he's saying this

"I got talent and it sucks over here, so send all your assets over and get me out of here and I'll play for you this year"

"Oh and by the way I want a big payday now so im gonna opt out for a larger contract after this year... i know you sent alot away for me but im looking to get paid to, don't hate the player hate the game"


So see King...I'd call his bluff. He's good man but he's not like THAT DUDE whom you dump everything to start all over with.

Oh no doubt, I agree with your point there, I'm just saying if he's trying to get paid big, it's not gonna happen opting out cause Flip may not care to do a sign and trade to get him as big a deal as he wants.

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[OSUFan_88]

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The Cavs are playing a dangerous game if they aren't willing to put Wiggins on the table.

I want Kevin Love. He's a top 10 player in the NBA, possibly the best big man in the NBA. You get him, paired with LeBron, Kyrie, Waiters, Varejao, Mike Miller, maybe Ray Allen, James Jones, and Corey Brewer? That's a potentially title team right off the bat.

Win a title now. Worry about 9 years down the line 9 years from now.

[OkayC]

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The Cavs are playing a dangerous game if they aren't willing to put Wiggins on the table.

I want Kevin Love. He's a top 10 player in the NBA, possibly the best big man in the NBA. You get him, paired with LeBron, Kyrie, Waiters, Varejao, Mike Miller, maybe Ray Allen, James Jones, and Corey Brewer? That's a potentially title team right off the bat.

Win a title now. Worry about 9 years down the line 9 years from now.

Only problem is, it doesn't neccessarily make you guys a contender right away. theres alot of young talent on this team that doesn't understand winning yet. The team as a whole is gonna need experience, not just to win a title, but to beat a western conference foe in the finals, and thats assuming cleveland gets past chicago, or indy(i don't think indy will be that bad this time around). The main pieces on this cleveland team aside from lebron, haven't tasted significant victory yet, let alone playoff victory. Couple that with the lack of defense being played, and at this point its gonna be tough to make them favorites for a ring, even with love on the team.

[The 24th Letter]

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The hit comes when Love needs to be resigned and they're paying 3 max players.

What if Wiggin's lives up to the hype? Won't you be doing this anyway eventually? Difference is Bron will be on the other side of his prime..

[cavsfan2]

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What if Wiggin's lives up to the hype? Won't you be doing this anyway eventually? Difference is Bron will be on the other side of his prime..

Exactly, Wiggins' rookie contract for the next four years will have tremendous value for the Cavs. By the time it runs out Lebron will be 33. If the Cavs get Love and pay him the max, they better win a championship in the next two years before they cant pay other guys on the roster and are left with no depth. I'm not convinced that a Kyrie, Lebron, and Love big three in two years with little depth can win a championship, especially considering only one of them can play defense.

[wwharton]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

The Cavs are playing a dangerous game if they aren't willing to put Wiggins on the table.

I want Kevin Love. He's a top 10 player in the NBA, possibly the best big man in the NBA. You get him, paired with LeBron, Kyrie, Waiters, Varejao, Mike Miller, maybe Ray Allen, James Jones, and Corey Brewer? That's a potentially title team right off the bat.

Win a title now. Worry about 9 years down the line 9 years from now.

So you believe that team wins a title next year?

Because if Love is then paid the max or, as he's recently said is possible, doesn't resign at all, then that team won't be there when they're at the point of being able to win a title unless you think they win next year.

[ojandpizza]

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Like I've said plenty of times, if this was Dwight, or PG, someone that provided something Cleveland really needed then I would be all over this trade..

Love is a great player, but they're overspending for something they don't necessarily need, and by no means makes them instant champions.

Brewer makes the trade somewhat more interesting, but only for this first year. If Love leaves they screwed up big time, if he stays they are in a worse cap situation than what Miami was. I'm just not a fan of the risk vs. reward factor in acquiring Love.

[redsrule]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

Them giving Kyrie the max hurts them more than giving Love the max. Love is a max type player, Kyrie isn't.

[OSUFan_88]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

So you believe that team wins a title next year?

It's certainly possible.

Them giving Kyrie the max hurts them more than giving Love the max. Love is a max type player, Kyrie isn't.

He'll be worth the max by the time he hits his next contract.

[Caveman24]

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Less is more Cavs.

[The 24th Letter]

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Just hope we're not looking at the Cav's in the couple of years and saying "THIS is the guy they wouldn't give up for Love?"

I can just see the pros & cons both ways. I can't think of the last championship that had a ton of flexibility...gotta spend $ to get talent either way...

[OSUFan_88]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

Like I've said plenty of times, if this was Dwight, or PG, someone that provided something Cleveland really needed then I would be all over this trade..

Love is a great player, but they're overspending for something they don't necessarily need, and by no means makes them instant champions.

Brewer makes the trade somewhat more interesting, but only for this first year. If Love leaves they screwed up big time, if he stays they are in a worse cap situation than what Miami was. I'm just not a fan of the risk vs. reward factor in acquiring Love.

So what if the cap situation is bad?

The team would already have several young players who are getting better, and an owner willing to spend anything to win.

Also, next year, they get a full MLE and BAE. So they will have avenues to get players if they need to. And they'd still have several draft picks.

People act like the Cavs are gutting their team for Love. In reality, they are trading a *very very high potential* rookie, a guy most thought was a massive bust, and some other smaller pieces for him. They aren't gutting the team.

[Caveman24]

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So what if the cap situation is bad?

The team would already have several young players who are getting better, and an owner willing to spend anything to win.

Also, next year, they get a full MLE and BAE. So they will have avenues to get players if they need to. And they'd still have several draft picks.

People act like the Cavs are gutting their team for Love. In reality, they are trading a *very very high potential* rookie, a guy most thought was a massive bust, and some other smaller pieces for him. They aren't gutting the team.

It's not about gutting the team there making the big splashy move without even playing a game of basketball together. It won't be these guys first rodeo but at least see what Wiggins,in shape Bennett and Kyrie can do with LBJ first. If you trade Wiggins for Love then get back Brewer then fine swallow the bullet.

If not with no Brewer your putting LBJ back to carrying the defensive load which IMHO he didn't play too good on defense last season. With Wiggins and LBJ think Bowman and Willis. Is Willis a great MLB damn skippy with Bowman it allows him to roam and do more things on defense. Wiggins is a luxury to have with Kyrie,& LBJ getting Love is the right idea with cashing in but wrong move wrong player.

[wwharton]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

It's certainly possible.



He'll be worth the max by the time he hits his next contract.

Anything's possible... but that wasn't the question.

[ojandpizza]

2014 Off-Season Thread

So what if the cap situation is bad?



The team would already have several young players who are getting better, and an owner willing to spend anything to win.



Also, next year, they get a full MLE and BAE. So they will have avenues to get players if they need to. And they'd still have several draft picks.



People act like the Cavs are gutting their team for Love. In reality, they are trading a *very very high potential* rookie, a guy most thought was a massive bust, and some other smaller pieces for him. They aren't gutting the team.

Young players who will leave as soon as their contract is up because Cleveland doesn't have anything to resign them with???

I just wish one person on here could tell me what Love is brining this team that they NEED. Rather than "Love is a superstar", "Love is a top 10 player", "Love helps them win now".. We all realize that, but this is seriously becoming "hey let's add a star just because he's a star". Which doesn't make any sense to me.. Let's just say they trade for Love and win it all. What if Love is satisfied once he became a champion and left for LA? Or what if they lose and he's mad because he really believed playing with LeBron would get him a ring and leaves for LA? Or, what if he doesn't like taking a statistical hit, a superstar status hit, becoming a 3rd offensive option, so he leaves? Nobody knows how Love will handle this situation, also nobody knows if he can even stay healthy, or how well of a player he actually is when he isn't getting a touch every single trip up the court..

I'm going to just throw out a random hypothetical here.. Love would become a 3rd scoring option, let's just say his numbers take a somewhat similar hit to what Bosh's did. Obviously he will probably still rebound more but he's going to get less looks than he would having a crap team built around him.

Pelicans have consistently had Ryan Anderson, Eric Gordon, Reke Evans all on the trading block.. Hypothetically, Cleveland could trade Waiters and Haywood who's contract will be like 10 mil next year and let's say they land Evans and Anderson.. For what Love's role is diminished to (comparing it to Bosh) his on court production could be matched by Anderson. Is Anderson as good as Love? Hell no, but he's much much cheaper, he's a better shooting stretch 4, and he could provide the same scoring playing off the bench that Love would give as a overpaid 3rd option..

Obviously Love gives more value, because he will still have nights were he might drop 30-40 and steal a win for them.. But how often will this team need that with LeBron and Kyrie? Anderson knows his role, is fine being a 6th man, and his production for his price is probably among the best in the league. Plus Evans. One of the only players in the league who's started at 3 different positions could literally be a sub for 3-4 different spots in their line up, someone who's also young, improving, and gives a very rare value that few players in the league can.

I'm sure Bennett/Thompson or a 1st or something would have to be added. But look at it this way. Does Anderson and Evans equal Love value? Probably not.. But does Anderson, Evans, keeping Wiggins, and keeping those extra firsts, along with cap space to fill other holes the team may have, does all of that equal Love value? Most definitely, trumps it by a long shot and for long term.

Obviously that's just some random trade I pulled out of my *** and likely would never happen. The point I'm trying to make is a team with LeBron, Kyrie, Waiters/Wiggins, doesn't need another star just to look cool on paper.. With the money they are going to spend to get and keep Love they can more than replace his value all while becoming arguably the deepest team in the entire league. If you can match the depth of a team like San Antonio, where you have subs who come in without taking a hit, and you add LeBron James on top of it, you are in a much better situation than you are having 3 big names on the back of your jerseys.