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  • RA3000
    Rookie
    • Jun 2003
    • 269

    #136
    Re: Kobe\'s \'Bulls\'?

    MJ is much much better than Kobe, having been an NBA fan since the early 80s.

    MJ's FG% is much higher than Kobe's and MJ does make his teammates a whole lot better, unlike Kobe.

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    • 3rdAnswer
      Regular Cat Records®
      • Sep 2002
      • 10845

      #137
      Re: Kobe\'s \'Bulls\'?

      <font color="blue"> I hate these threads. </font>
      -Jay Illestrate, Emcee/Producer/Graphic Artist
      www.REGULARCATRECORDS.COM
      New York Giants - Duke Blue Devils - Charlotte Hornets - San Antonio Spurs

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      • 3rdAnswer
        Regular Cat Records®
        • Sep 2002
        • 10845

        #138
        Re: Kobe\'s \'Bulls\'?

        <font color="blue"> I hate these threads. </font>
        -Jay Illestrate, Emcee/Producer/Graphic Artist
        www.REGULARCATRECORDS.COM
        New York Giants - Duke Blue Devils - Charlotte Hornets - San Antonio Spurs

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        • 3rdAnswer
          Regular Cat Records®
          • Sep 2002
          • 10845

          #139
          Re: Kobe\'s \'Bulls\'?

          <font color="blue"> I hate these threads. </font>
          -Jay Illestrate, Emcee/Producer/Graphic Artist
          www.REGULARCATRECORDS.COM
          New York Giants - Duke Blue Devils - Charlotte Hornets - San Antonio Spurs

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          • hotadef
            Rookie
            • May 2004
            • 280

            #140
            Re: Kobe\'s \'Bulls\'?

            jordan shot a higher fg percentage only because he went to the hoop often. There was no big center cloging the lane. i bet if you take the dunks away and kobe dunks out of the field goal kobe will have a better jump shooting percentage.

            I dont believe jordan made anybody on his team better. that is my opion. that team was built around him. so he didnt have to make anyone better. it was always a good defencive rebounding big man usually pf grant/rodman next you had your big pg pippen who was good at everything and a great defender. Then there was a bundle of shooter paxon,kerr,armstrong,craig hodges, all were good defenders and great shooters. perfect fit jordan or pippen drive to the hoop and if the feel they couldnt make the shot those players knew what to do and the knocked down the shot 8 times out of 10.

            so how did jordan make kerr the best 3 point shooter in the leauge a better three point shooter. he didnt they went and got him because he could constantly knock his shot down.

            put him on a sorry team with nobody like he was when he got in the leauge. he didnt make them winners. he was great but stop taking credit from the others. they were limited in what they could do but they were good at what they did and hand picked to do a certain job in that system. had nothing to do with jordan. all about the other players abilities and the system in which they played that utilizes there skills too.

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            • hotadef
              Rookie
              • May 2004
              • 280

              #141
              Re: Kobe\'s \'Bulls\'?

              jordan shot a higher fg percentage only because he went to the hoop often. There was no big center cloging the lane. i bet if you take the dunks away and kobe dunks out of the field goal kobe will have a better jump shooting percentage.

              I dont believe jordan made anybody on his team better. that is my opion. that team was built around him. so he didnt have to make anyone better. it was always a good defencive rebounding big man usually pf grant/rodman next you had your big pg pippen who was good at everything and a great defender. Then there was a bundle of shooter paxon,kerr,armstrong,craig hodges, all were good defenders and great shooters. perfect fit jordan or pippen drive to the hoop and if the feel they couldnt make the shot those players knew what to do and the knocked down the shot 8 times out of 10.

              so how did jordan make kerr the best 3 point shooter in the leauge a better three point shooter. he didnt they went and got him because he could constantly knock his shot down.

              put him on a sorry team with nobody like he was when he got in the leauge. he didnt make them winners. he was great but stop taking credit from the others. they were limited in what they could do but they were good at what they did and hand picked to do a certain job in that system. had nothing to do with jordan. all about the other players abilities and the system in which they played that utilizes there skills too.

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              • hotadef
                Rookie
                • May 2004
                • 280

                #142
                Re: Kobe\'s \'Bulls\'?

                jordan shot a higher fg percentage only because he went to the hoop often. There was no big center cloging the lane. i bet if you take the dunks away and kobe dunks out of the field goal kobe will have a better jump shooting percentage.

                I dont believe jordan made anybody on his team better. that is my opion. that team was built around him. so he didnt have to make anyone better. it was always a good defencive rebounding big man usually pf grant/rodman next you had your big pg pippen who was good at everything and a great defender. Then there was a bundle of shooter paxon,kerr,armstrong,craig hodges, all were good defenders and great shooters. perfect fit jordan or pippen drive to the hoop and if the feel they couldnt make the shot those players knew what to do and the knocked down the shot 8 times out of 10.

                so how did jordan make kerr the best 3 point shooter in the leauge a better three point shooter. he didnt they went and got him because he could constantly knock his shot down.

                put him on a sorry team with nobody like he was when he got in the leauge. he didnt make them winners. he was great but stop taking credit from the others. they were limited in what they could do but they were good at what they did and hand picked to do a certain job in that system. had nothing to do with jordan. all about the other players abilities and the system in which they played that utilizes there skills too.

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                • Air23
                  Banned
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 2502

                  #143
                  Re: Kobe\'s \'Bulls\'?

                  </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                  Dice said:
                  OK. Before I continue with this argument I want to say that I'm 31 years old and been a Bulls fan since 1984. I can remember back in the days when Bulls tickets we're $4.00. I remember because our 5th grade class went on a field trip to a afternoon game. Bus was $2.00 and the tickets were $4.00. With the total of the trip being $6.00. And I can also remember the horrific roster they had back in the days with Orlando Woolridge, Quintin Daley, Dave Corzin and Ennis "Mo" Whatley. So you can say I've been there for the good and bad times.

                  OK. Now that we've cleared that up back to our disscussion. Because Kobe is a better jumpshooter he understands the game better? That makes no sense. Steve Kerr is a better jumpshooter than Jordan so does that make Kerr a player with a better understanding of the game?

                  When I talk about 'understanding of the game' I'm talking about understanding how to improve as a player AND helping the team win games. Along this road of understanding the game comes adversity and doubt. As you know, MJ had lots of them since he came to the league and has overcome them.
                  Here are some of the things that MJ had to endure over his career:
                  1986 - The injury year. People questions if he could come back as explosive as he was in his rookie year. RESULT: Came back in time for the playoffs and put up 63 against the eventual champion Boston Celtics.
                  1988 - Jordan's questionable defensive game. RESULT: Was the defensive player of the year in 88 and was on the all-defensive team 9 times.
                  1989 - Jordan shoots too much. Doesn't get his team involved. RESULT: Mid-season of 1989 season Doug Collins moved Jordan to the point and he was 10th in the league in assists with 8.0 apg. Most important, he lead the 6th place Bulls to the Eastern Conference finals.
                  1990 - Jordan can't shoot the three. RESULT: NBA defenses opened up a can of worms with this strategy. Jordan went from hitting only 27 3pt shots in 89 to hitting 92 in 1990.
                  1991 - Jordan will never be on a championship team. RESULT: 6 titles, nuff said!

                  OK. Here is some of Kobe adversities:
                  1998 - Wild erratic shot selections. RESULT: He improved his scoring average every year from 97-2001.
                  2000 - Kobe plays NO defense. RESULT: Upon the arrival of Phil Jackson and his first NBA Championship in 2000 Kobe get first all-defensive honors. He achived this feat 3 times.

                  MJ had no choice but to overcome and understand the game better than Kobe because MJ never had a Shaq type player on his team. Which leads to the most important argument: Kobe has never been the leader of his team. Since DAY ONE Jordan has been the leader of the Bulls so you can say that Jordan has lead the Bulls to 6 championships. When you talk about the Lakers it's Shaq&amp;Kobe that lead the Lakers to 3 titles. And I even question that because Shaq has been the Finals MVP in 3 of those championships.

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                  I like this cat. He knows his sh*t.

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                  • Air23
                    Banned
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 2502

                    #144
                    Re: Kobe\'s \'Bulls\'?

                    </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                    Dice said:
                    OK. Before I continue with this argument I want to say that I'm 31 years old and been a Bulls fan since 1984. I can remember back in the days when Bulls tickets we're $4.00. I remember because our 5th grade class went on a field trip to a afternoon game. Bus was $2.00 and the tickets were $4.00. With the total of the trip being $6.00. And I can also remember the horrific roster they had back in the days with Orlando Woolridge, Quintin Daley, Dave Corzin and Ennis "Mo" Whatley. So you can say I've been there for the good and bad times.

                    OK. Now that we've cleared that up back to our disscussion. Because Kobe is a better jumpshooter he understands the game better? That makes no sense. Steve Kerr is a better jumpshooter than Jordan so does that make Kerr a player with a better understanding of the game?

                    When I talk about 'understanding of the game' I'm talking about understanding how to improve as a player AND helping the team win games. Along this road of understanding the game comes adversity and doubt. As you know, MJ had lots of them since he came to the league and has overcome them.
                    Here are some of the things that MJ had to endure over his career:
                    1986 - The injury year. People questions if he could come back as explosive as he was in his rookie year. RESULT: Came back in time for the playoffs and put up 63 against the eventual champion Boston Celtics.
                    1988 - Jordan's questionable defensive game. RESULT: Was the defensive player of the year in 88 and was on the all-defensive team 9 times.
                    1989 - Jordan shoots too much. Doesn't get his team involved. RESULT: Mid-season of 1989 season Doug Collins moved Jordan to the point and he was 10th in the league in assists with 8.0 apg. Most important, he lead the 6th place Bulls to the Eastern Conference finals.
                    1990 - Jordan can't shoot the three. RESULT: NBA defenses opened up a can of worms with this strategy. Jordan went from hitting only 27 3pt shots in 89 to hitting 92 in 1990.
                    1991 - Jordan will never be on a championship team. RESULT: 6 titles, nuff said!

                    OK. Here is some of Kobe adversities:
                    1998 - Wild erratic shot selections. RESULT: He improved his scoring average every year from 97-2001.
                    2000 - Kobe plays NO defense. RESULT: Upon the arrival of Phil Jackson and his first NBA Championship in 2000 Kobe get first all-defensive honors. He achived this feat 3 times.

                    MJ had no choice but to overcome and understand the game better than Kobe because MJ never had a Shaq type player on his team. Which leads to the most important argument: Kobe has never been the leader of his team. Since DAY ONE Jordan has been the leader of the Bulls so you can say that Jordan has lead the Bulls to 6 championships. When you talk about the Lakers it's Shaq&amp;Kobe that lead the Lakers to 3 titles. And I even question that because Shaq has been the Finals MVP in 3 of those championships.

                    <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">


                    I like this cat. He knows his sh*t.

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                    • Air23
                      Banned
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 2502

                      #145
                      Re: Kobe\'s \'Bulls\'?

                      </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                      Dice said:
                      OK. Before I continue with this argument I want to say that I'm 31 years old and been a Bulls fan since 1984. I can remember back in the days when Bulls tickets we're $4.00. I remember because our 5th grade class went on a field trip to a afternoon game. Bus was $2.00 and the tickets were $4.00. With the total of the trip being $6.00. And I can also remember the horrific roster they had back in the days with Orlando Woolridge, Quintin Daley, Dave Corzin and Ennis "Mo" Whatley. So you can say I've been there for the good and bad times.

                      OK. Now that we've cleared that up back to our disscussion. Because Kobe is a better jumpshooter he understands the game better? That makes no sense. Steve Kerr is a better jumpshooter than Jordan so does that make Kerr a player with a better understanding of the game?

                      When I talk about 'understanding of the game' I'm talking about understanding how to improve as a player AND helping the team win games. Along this road of understanding the game comes adversity and doubt. As you know, MJ had lots of them since he came to the league and has overcome them.
                      Here are some of the things that MJ had to endure over his career:
                      1986 - The injury year. People questions if he could come back as explosive as he was in his rookie year. RESULT: Came back in time for the playoffs and put up 63 against the eventual champion Boston Celtics.
                      1988 - Jordan's questionable defensive game. RESULT: Was the defensive player of the year in 88 and was on the all-defensive team 9 times.
                      1989 - Jordan shoots too much. Doesn't get his team involved. RESULT: Mid-season of 1989 season Doug Collins moved Jordan to the point and he was 10th in the league in assists with 8.0 apg. Most important, he lead the 6th place Bulls to the Eastern Conference finals.
                      1990 - Jordan can't shoot the three. RESULT: NBA defenses opened up a can of worms with this strategy. Jordan went from hitting only 27 3pt shots in 89 to hitting 92 in 1990.
                      1991 - Jordan will never be on a championship team. RESULT: 6 titles, nuff said!

                      OK. Here is some of Kobe adversities:
                      1998 - Wild erratic shot selections. RESULT: He improved his scoring average every year from 97-2001.
                      2000 - Kobe plays NO defense. RESULT: Upon the arrival of Phil Jackson and his first NBA Championship in 2000 Kobe get first all-defensive honors. He achived this feat 3 times.

                      MJ had no choice but to overcome and understand the game better than Kobe because MJ never had a Shaq type player on his team. Which leads to the most important argument: Kobe has never been the leader of his team. Since DAY ONE Jordan has been the leader of the Bulls so you can say that Jordan has lead the Bulls to 6 championships. When you talk about the Lakers it's Shaq&amp;Kobe that lead the Lakers to 3 titles. And I even question that because Shaq has been the Finals MVP in 3 of those championships.

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                      I like this cat. He knows his sh*t.

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                      • SportsTop
                        The Few. The Proud.
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 6716

                        #146
                        Re: Kobe\'s \'Bulls\'?

                        I think it's moot to continue this argument. Some of us have one opinion and others will have theirs. There nothing that's really going to sway us one way or the other. Let's just agree to disagree.

                        It's a little hard to compare the two eras when there hasn't been a force like Shaq in the league since the likes of Wilt. I guess we'll have to see how Kobe turns out in two to three years.
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                        • SportsTop
                          The Few. The Proud.
                          • Jul 2003
                          • 6716

                          #147
                          Re: Kobe\'s \'Bulls\'?

                          I think it's moot to continue this argument. Some of us have one opinion and others will have theirs. There nothing that's really going to sway us one way or the other. Let's just agree to disagree.

                          It's a little hard to compare the two eras when there hasn't been a force like Shaq in the league since the likes of Wilt. I guess we'll have to see how Kobe turns out in two to three years.
                          Follow me on Twitter!

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                          • SportsTop
                            The Few. The Proud.
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 6716

                            #148
                            Re: Kobe\'s \'Bulls\'?

                            I think it's moot to continue this argument. Some of us have one opinion and others will have theirs. There nothing that's really going to sway us one way or the other. Let's just agree to disagree.

                            It's a little hard to compare the two eras when there hasn't been a force like Shaq in the league since the likes of Wilt. I guess we'll have to see how Kobe turns out in two to three years.
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                            • Dice
                              Sitting by the door
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 6627

                              #149
                              Re: Kobe\'s \'Bulls\'?

                              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                              Squint said:
                              I think it's moot to continue this argument. Some of us have one opinion and others will have theirs. There nothing that's really going to sway us one way or the other. Let's just agree to disagree.

                              It's a little hard to compare the two eras when there hasn't been a force like Shaq in the league since the likes of Wilt. I guess we'll have to see how Kobe turns out in two to three years.

                              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                              I wouldn't say it's totally moot. Yes, the gameplay was different back then but the objective of the game has never changed: Score more points than the opposing team.

                              I will say this. This year will be the best opportunity to prove that he can win by himself becasue this will be his first year without Shaq. Kobe's credentials will be tested this year. Just my personal thought, Shaq will be closer to winning a title without Kobe. That's just my thought.
                              I have more respect for a man who let's me know where he stands, even if he's wrong. Than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil. - Malcolm X

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                              • Dice
                                Sitting by the door
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 6627

                                #150
                                Re: Kobe\'s \'Bulls\'?

                                </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                                Squint said:
                                I think it's moot to continue this argument. Some of us have one opinion and others will have theirs. There nothing that's really going to sway us one way or the other. Let's just agree to disagree.

                                It's a little hard to compare the two eras when there hasn't been a force like Shaq in the league since the likes of Wilt. I guess we'll have to see how Kobe turns out in two to three years.

                                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                                I wouldn't say it's totally moot. Yes, the gameplay was different back then but the objective of the game has never changed: Score more points than the opposing team.

                                I will say this. This year will be the best opportunity to prove that he can win by himself becasue this will be his first year without Shaq. Kobe's credentials will be tested this year. Just my personal thought, Shaq will be closer to winning a title without Kobe. That's just my thought.
                                I have more respect for a man who let's me know where he stands, even if he's wrong. Than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil. - Malcolm X

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